Vfacts March 2011

Resurrection · 03-04-2011, 11:33 PM

The numbers are due this week.

I predict another miserable month for Falcon - less than 2000 sales.

Hope I am wrong.

Windsor220 · 04-04-2011, 06:37 PM

Any figures yet? Should be out by now.

Resurrection · 04-04-2011, 08:00 PM

No. They are not released before the third weekday of the month.

KuRT12 · 04-04-2011, 09:50 PM

I Think once we see things like ecoLPI & FGII come into play sales will jump a fair bit, i think theres a few people holding off for these new technologies.

b0son · 04-04-2011, 10:06 PM

i doubt the average person knows about ecoLPI or FGII, or cares. for every falcon ad, i'll see at least 10 for commodore. the falcon may as well not exist in the public's mind.

Ford_The_Win · 04-04-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

i doubt the average person knows about ecoLPI or FGII, or cares. for every falcon ad, i'll see at least 10 for commodore. the falcon may as well not exist in the public's mind.

It exists, but to put it in my mum's words, as "One of those big square petrol guzzling tanks", which it isn't quite anymore.

P6LTD351 · 04-04-2011, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

i doubt the average person knows about ecoLPI or FGII, or cares. for every falcon ad, i'll see at least 10 for commodore. the falcon may as well not exist in the public's mind.

This.

Let's not grapple at straws. Put the blame squarely where it lies - Ford's arrogance in not admitting that there is a problem with (and hence fixing) their marketing.

It's great that people here are positive about ecoLPi etc but that won't do a thing to sales. The average person needs to be educated on how good a Falcon is. Sadly, Ford don't care.

DanielXR8 · 04-04-2011, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

This.

Let's not grapple at straws. Put the blame squarely where it lies - Ford's arrogance in not admitting that there is a problem with (and hence fixing) their marketing.

It's great that people here are positive about ecoLPi etc but that won't do a thing to sales. The average person needs to be educated on how good a Falcon is. Sadly, Ford don't care.

The ecoLPi looks to be a corker of an engine and if this was 2008 I would be excited, because thats when it should have been here at the launch of FG. You are right that Ford is arrogant, they have taken far too long to bring things like the LPG and Diesel to market. They are also assuming that doing what they have always done in marketing, after sales support and quality of their dealer network will still work - it won't and there are plenty of ex Ford customers to prove it. Its so frustrating, because even a public acknowledgement that they haven't done well in these areas and the most tentative moves to fix it, would win them some much needed support.

vztrt · 04-04-2011, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

This.

Let's not grapple at straws. Put the blame squarely where it lies - Ford's arrogance in not admitting that there is a problem with (and hence fixing) their marketing.

Fix what??

Buy and LPG Falcon/UTE...oh wait we don't have one. Buy a V8 Falcon/UTE...oh wait we don't have one. Buy a station wagon...oh wait we don't have one.

Territory has been drip fed and I think done well, now the LPG model is being drip fed, next will be the 4cyl version.

As for sales it won't be good, For Falcon August will be when to have a good look. Territory should started to be looked at in June.

Mind you I think Terri should do about the 11-1200 mark with that run out terri they have, as that is a really awesome deal.

fourl6 · 04-04-2011, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

i doubt the average person knows about ecoLPI or FGII, or cares. for every falcon ad, i'll see at least 10 for commodore. the falcon may as well not exist in the public's mind.

i would spend 35k+ without atleast a google search...

BroadyFord · 05-04-2011, 11:10 AM

Official release for figures today but early numbers suggest 1700 Falcon sales in March.

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2011...mber-one-24316

Not the worst result but far from anything worth celebrating.

Road_Warrior · 05-04-2011, 11:32 AM

Well...better than last month I guess.

csv8 · 05-04-2011, 11:48 AM

Road Warrior....Queensland can send you Can Do Campbell Newman..he's good at digging tunnels!!!!!

bobthebilda · 05-04-2011, 12:24 PM

Looks like the locals are still doing it tough

Large cars =7688 - compared to same time last year =8816
Medium SUV = 7501 - compared to same time last year =8309
Ute 4 x 2 = 5184 - compared to same time last year = 5716

SUV compact, SUV luxury and Ute 4x4 seem to be the big winners this time. All up around 20%

jpd80 · 05-04-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Looks like the locals are still doing it tough

Large cars =7688 - compared to same time last year =8816
Medium SUV = 7501 - compared to same time last year =8309
Ute 4 x 2 = 5184 - compared to same time last year = 5716

SUV compact, SUV luxury and Ute 4x4 seem to be the big winners this time. All up around 20%

You can see the migration happening, slowly but surely.

Oldbugger · 05-04-2011, 12:37 PM

Local Production

Ford 3181 vs 4440 (2010) Falcon 1719

Holden 5218 vs 5507 (2010) Commodore 4170

bobthebilda · 05-04-2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldbugger

Local Production

Ford 3181 vs 4440 (2010) Falcon 1719

Holden 5218 vs 5507 (2010) Commodore 4170

That makes 8399. You gotta think with camry not being in the top ten, then aurion and camry sales are only going to come in at 2000 (or less) combined.

10399 local sales (plus drip in another 1000 cruzes) = 11399. Unless there were another 12000 exported (and I highly doubt it), then these first 3 months of the year are going to be the worst for the local manufacturers ever.

Doesnt matter if Toyota, Holden or Ford go first, once one goes, the rest will follow.

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anyone know the sort of numbers the 380 was recording before it was put out of its misery?

For last few months of its life, Mitsy were making 50 a day for 4 days a week, thus around 800 per month. But that was with only 1000 employees.

**janddbone** · 05-04-2011, 12:46 PM

Those wagon sales don't look so useless now do they....

bobthebilda · 05-04-2011, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mr_br_johnstone

Those wagon sales don't look so useless now do they....

Apparantly Holden wagon sales make up 33% of commodore sales. So at 4100 sales a month, it makes up roughly 1300 sales. What sort of market would Ford be chasing? Maybe at best, half of the sportswagon sales ie 650 a month. I would hate to see what sort of return Ford were going to get, if they went and spent a few hundred million dollars to try and gain 7200 sales a year.

Ford sold 8698 cars in March, whereas Holden sold 10816. I would think with the aussie dollar at US$1.04, Ford are thanking their lucky stars, they are far less reliant on local production than Holden is.

Ie, as per caradvice article

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The story is reversed at Ford, where the Falcon, Falcon Ute and Ranger 4×2 are the only models to lose ground in 2011. Sales of Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo, Escape and Ranger have all increased between 25.3 and 95.4 percent

If the aussie dollar stays high, Ford will be able to kill Holden in pricing.

Brazen · 05-04-2011, 12:51 PM

How great would it be if Falcon had a wagon on release of the new EcoLPI, no whinging about luggage space/spare tyre then.

1TUFFUTE · 05-04-2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

How great would it be if Falcon had a wagon on release of the new EcoLPI, no whinging about luggage space/spare tyre then.

i reckon, surely it cant be to hard for them to whip up

**buggerlugs** · 05-04-2011, 01:29 PM

http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/new...&emlist=Member

Brazen · 05-04-2011, 02:03 PM

1.Holden Commodore – 4170
2.Toyota HiLux – 4028
3.Mazda3 – 3979
4.Toyota Corolla – 3067
5.Holden Cruze – 2804
6.Nissan Navara – 2575
7.Hyundai i30 – 2376
8.Mitsubishi Triton – 1978
9.Mitsubishi Lancer – 1749
10.Ford Falcon – 1719

http://www.caradvice.com.au/113707/m...ding-momentum/

Brazen · 05-04-2011, 02:27 PM

I am still stunned that Holden can be selling these many Commodores for a car which is effectively 5 years old. And it has no LPG in the wagon.

Commodore really should be selling as many as Falcon.

Road_Warrior · 05-04-2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

I am still stunned that Holden can be selling these many Commodores for a car which is effectively 5 years old. And it has no LPG in the wagon.

Commodore really should be selling as many as Falcon.

So someone is doing something wrong aren't they...or Holden are selling a buttload of Commodores to fleets still with little to no margins.

Brazen · 05-04-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

So someone is doing something wrong aren't they...or Holden are selling a buttload of Commodores to fleets still with little to no margins.

Falcon has a much higher fleet percentage, and is the biggest selling rental car in the country - these are notorious for low margins as they are churned over every 6 months and the rental companies have to compete on a daily hire rate which brings things purely down to price. Business and government fleet sales sell less on price (which is still very important) as they are usually kept for a few years - so fuel economy, OHAS issues, comfort, power, space, versatility are more important.

If you ever really want to see what companies are doing the best fleet deals, look at the local Avis or Hertz carpark.

The G6ET Spot · 05-04-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

I am still stunned that Holden can be selling these many Commodores for a car which is effectively 5 years old. And it has no LPG in the wagon.

Commodore really should be selling as many as Falcon.

At least they have a wagon, which is more than can be said for Ford.

How many average joe's do you think actually know that the Mondeo comes in a wagon.

I know the bean counter's at my work never even looked at Ford for the new national fleet of over 400 cars as there was no Falcon wagon.

**Fordman1** · 05-04-2011, 04:34 PM

Fiesta second in class behind Mazda2

1,477 vs 1544

Won't be long before it is the best selling light car.

Mondeo also second best in class

772 vs Camry at 1,639.

The best thing is that it is outselling Mazda6, Liberty, and Accord !

Both these cars will increase market share over the next 12 months.

New Focus is coming too ...

Territory 881. SZ will do MUCH better.

Falcon is a REAL WORRY

Oldbugger · 05-04-2011, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Fiesta second in class behind Mazda2

1,477 vs 1544

Won't be long before it is the best selling light car.

Mondeo also second best in class

772 vs Camry at 1,639.

The best thing is that it is outselling Mazda6, Liberty, and Accord !

Both these cars will increase market share over the next 12 months.

New Focus is coming too ...

Territory 881. SZ will do MUCH better.

Falcon is a REAL WORRY

Neither of these two models do anything for the folk who work on the B/M assembly line. With sales of Falcon off 30%+ and not looking like turning the corner the factory could be idle for more days to come

uranium_death · 05-04-2011, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The G6ET Spot

At least they have a wagon, which is more than can be said for Ford.

How many average joe's do you think actually know that the Mondeo comes in a wagon.

I know the bean counter's at my work never even looked at Ford for the new national fleet of over 400 cars as there was no Falcon wagon.

And if they had a wagon, they would never get the money back, which makes a bad investment.

Why should Ford do something just because Holden does it?

Do keep in mind that Holden has reported losses for the past five years. Should Ford Australia do that as well?

If Ford did actually have a wagon, it would probably be a sportswagon - completely unattractive to true fleets due do its lack of bootspace.