Ford and Holden work together on making a V8 RWD Coupe (POLL)

[RedHotGT]

I'm putting this thread out there to make a suggestion that i'm sure will polarize forum members out there.

But first, take a look at the Toyota 86 & Subaru BRZ. Keep that image in mind.

Would it ever be possible for Holden and Ford to work together on a V8 RWD Coupe? Now that you've spilled your coffee all over the keyboard, let me explain the idea.

Toyota & Subaru are fierce rivals in several segments of the new car market. They compete against each other in various motor racing categories. They are essentially a red (Toyota) vs blue (Subaru) rivalry, similar to that of Holden & Ford. But in putting those competitive differences asside, and combining their engineering, technology, and design ideas, they've come up with a shared vehicle that is both brilliant in design, looks, and performance, and all for a very affordable price to the consumer.

Holden's reborn V8 Monaro sold very well for a number of years, and with a better executed export plan could have sold much more. Ford fans have been crying out for a 2-door V8 Falcon since the last XC Cobra was sold. What if the two biggest names in Australian Car manufacturing could put their differences aside and work on what could be the most amazing car ever conceived in Australia? They could share ideas, designs, and concepts. They could each end up with their own 'style' of car despite sharing the same underpinnings. They could share the costs - making it more financially viable as a venture, and eventually cheaper to the consumer in the showroom. And with views to overseas markets where both local manufacturers wish to grow they could both grow their export sales, ensuring continued manufacturing and employment opportunity here in Australia with views to grow into the future.

Is this impossible? Well before the 86/BRZ I thought it was.
But in this day and age, I believe that it could be done.
Build a car from the Red corner and the Blue corner.
Make a Purple V8 RWD Coupe right here in Australia.

Don't say it's impossible. Let's make it happen.

Opinions Please

[RedHotGT]

Toyota 86 Coupe:


Subaru BRZ Coupe:

[Resurrection]

What a stupid topic.

[RedHotGT]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

What a stupid topic.

Is it really that stupid?

I thought it might have been constructive to discuss the option of making an Australian Car, in Australia.

I thought there would maybe be some positive (and the expected negative) opinions about what is a hypothetical scenario which normally wouldn't be explored.

I thought it would be interesting to attempt to blur the lines between rivalries and see if something positive could be done? Or whether anyone would consider it?

Would it have been better to start another Ford/FPV bashing thread?

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by loftie

Is it really that stupid?

I thought it might have been constructive to discuss the option of making an Australian Car, in Australia.

I thought there would maybe be some positive (and the expected negative) opinions about what is a hypothetical scenario which normally wouldn't be explored.

I thought it would be interesting to attempt to blur the lines between rivalries and see if something positive could be done? Or whether anyone would consider it?

Would it have been better to start another Ford/FPV bashing thread?

Yes it is a stupid topic. Another person has already explained the link between Toyota and Subaru which lead to the shared platform:

Originally Posted by Wretched

ah the Toyota and Subaru collaboration was also due to Toyota owning a large stake in Subaru via Subaru's parent company Fuji Heavy Industries. (16.5% - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuji_Heavy_Industries)
So I don't see how Ford and Holden working together would be similar.
I'd be thinking more along the lines of Ford and Mazda.

Ford and GM have no links between the two organisations and therefore such a combined project would never see light of day. They are in direct competition with each other. As these companies are Australian subsidiaries of US companies, the power brokers in Detroit and Dearborn would never approve such a combined project. Name one vehicle on this planet which is a joint venture between Ford and GM!

[RedHotGT]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Yes it is a stupid topic. Another person has already explained the link between Toyota and Subaru which lead to the shared platform:

So - because toyota own 16.5% of a company associated with Subaru - then that made them think - hey lets build a car together??? wow - thats a long bow...

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Ford and GM have no links between the two organisations and therefore such a combined project would never see light of day. They are in direct competition with each other. As these companies are Australian subsidiaries of US companies, the power brokers in Detroit and Dearborn would never approve such a combined project. Name one vehicle on this planet which is a joint venture between Ford and GM!

Most people would have said the same thing for Toyota and Subaru, and yet it happened. And now both cars (86 & BRZ) are selling in the same segment of the market, to the same part of the market, and yet they still undertook it.

I'm always interested when people say they can't be done - before anyone's even given it a shot. I wonder how many people told Steve Jobs his ideas were stupid and couldn't be done.

But - of course you're entitled to your opinion - where you've decided to vote "NO" on the above poll. I'm just trying to understand it a little better - so I apologize in advance if i've come across the wrong way.

[DJR-351]

Good try loftie but forget it, unfortunately there are too many here that wouldn’t have the faintest idea how to have an intelligent discussion about a hypothetical situation, i would be surprised if some of them even know the meaning.....

[Scudn64]

Would just be better if Ford AUS had the funding that
GM gives Holden.

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by loftie

I'm always interested when people say they can't be done - before anyone's even given it a shot. I wonder how many people told Steve Jobs his ideas were stupid and couldn't be done.
.

Well technically it could be done, but it will never be done. Ford or Holden have absolutely no requirements to increase their "Australianess". If Ford Australia cant make a car, then they would look to other Ford factories around the world to source the car. If another Ford factory couldn't do it, then maybe they would then go to another car company they have had previous dealings with (like a mazda etc). Only after they have exhasuted these options (and got approval for alot of money from head office), then they might visit the Holden joint venture (but Holden would also have to be pursuing the same sort of strategy). Could be done, but hell would be frozen over before it would be done.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Yes it is a stupid topic. Another person has already explained the link between Toyota and Subaru which lead to the shared platform:



Ford and GM have no links between the two organisations and therefore such a combined project would never see light of day. They are in direct competition with each other. As these companies are Australian subsidiaries of US companies, the power brokers in Detroit and Dearborn would never approve such a combined project. Name one vehicle on this planet which is a joint venture between Ford and GM!

rubbish the gearbox in my car "is" a collaboration of GM and Ford.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by burnz

rubbish the gearbox in my car "is" a collaboration of GM and Ford.

Oh that gearbox is a "car" is it ?

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

What a stupid topic.

Just like your contribution if you don't like it, DONT post simple.

[GT 160]

Wow, judging by some of the idiotic replies there really are some half wits on this forum

I think to some degree it's going to become alot more common place to have manufacturers produce vehicles in joint ventures given the economic environment.

It's win win for us as it should lead to affordable niche performance vehicles such as the Toybaru 86/BRZ.

Nissan and Renault have teemed up of late so have Mazda and Fiat

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by GT 160

Wow, judging by some of the idiotic replies there really are some half wits on this forum

I think to some degree it's going to become alot more common place to have manufacturers produce vehicles in joint ventures given the economic environment.

It's win win for us as it should lead to affordable niche performance vehicles such as the Toybaru 86/BRZ.

Nissan and Renault have teemed up of late so have Mazda and Fiat

The Mazda and Fiat would be the only one similar (besides Toyota and BMW teaming up for a sports car).
Nissan is owned by Renault.

Below is a diagram showing the relationships between car makers

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Just like your contribution if you don't like it, DONT post simple.

The OP stated the following:

Originally Posted by loftie

Opinions Please

The OP did not say "people who like this idea are only allowed to respond".

[Uncle Tone]

Who would supply the motor?

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by Uncle Tone

Who would supply the motor?

it will be a quad turbo v10 ford engine - since the gtho is still born, they have to use it in something

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

What a stupid topic.

What a stupid interjection...



I often wondered about Ford and holden joining up to share common componants in an effort to bring cost down, so that Manfacturing in australia is viable...

Yes, Toyota have a share in subaru....but not in BMW, and Toyota and BMW have just joind to make a new sports car...

[Franco Cozzo]

Maybe when Israel and Palestine share the school bus run.

[MAD]

How will we argue which one is better?

[Scooter]

Why would the 2 have to combine to make such a vehicle?
I think both parties have enough people and technology to design there own vehicles, and I don't think the sales would be there, hence the Monaro died out and Ford never did it. Just my thoughts on it.
But on another note: XR8 wagon would of been good! (saw that in your sig)

[Wretched]

ah the Toyota and Subaru collaboration was also due to Toyota owning a large stake in Subaru via Subaru's parent company Fuji Heavy Industries.
So I don't see how Ford and Holden working together would be similar.
I'd be thinking more along the lines of Ford and Mazda.

[BHDOGS]

A Chevy badge on a half ford interesting

[Tysonv48]

This would be awsome
Pure Aussie car

[Oxa384]

maybe they could release a GTSHO or a XR6SS or even a new suv the CRAPITORY....
yea great idea.NOT!!

[FPV GTHO]

If a V8 RWD coupe was what you were after, there's the Camaro and Mustang already.

[RedHotGT]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

If a V8 RWD coupe was what you were after, there's the Camaro and Mustang already.

Hmm, don't recall seeing either of those cars as I walked thru the Local Holden and Ford dealership over the weekend - must have run out of brochures, or maybe their demo models were out on test drives?

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by loftie

Hmm, don't recall seeing either of those cars as I walked thru the Local Holden and Ford dealership over the weekend - must have run out of brochures, or maybe their demo models were out on test drives?

So you would choose to develop alternatives to importing existing cars?

[RedHotGT]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

So you would choose to develop alternatives to importing existing cars?

I was more going for local design and production = local jobs = car sold at local prices?

Only private imports are available for the suggested vehicles (Camaro & Mustang) and with hefty pricetags attached (shipping/transport, customs, conversion and compliance etc). In otherwords you end up paying approx $90k for a car that's sitting in showrooms in LA for $30k.
(example)
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1

Sure - if these cars were available from local dealers then it wouldn't even be worth the hypothetical. But - as they are not - why not discuss it?

[RedHotGT]

Originally Posted by oxa384

maybe they could release a GTSHO or a XR6SS or even a new suv the CRAPITORY....
yea great idea.NOT!!

For the record - Ford has already made a Falcon SS.