Point-to-point cameras snap 20,000 motorists speeding on the Hume Fwy, MORE COMING!!

[EDManual]

Today the Vic Govt are going announce more point to point cameras....

Here is an article on how effective they are when Hume Hwy ones were turned back on : (notice there isnt a word about safety by the govt, its just to "slow drivers down..." and with all these people speeding no one crashed...)

Herald Sun====
ALMOST 20,000 motorists were secretly snapped speeding past the Hume Freeway point-to-point cameras in a 60-day period when they thought they were still turned off.


That number dropped by more than half for the 60-day period after motorists were warned the controversial cameras were working again.

All of the 19,280 motorists caught speeding in the two months before the cameras were officially turned on in August escaped being fined as the cameras were being tested - but the 9200 nabbed in the 60-day period since the testing finished would have to cough up.

Police Minister Peter Ryan said the Hume point-to-point figures clearly demonstrated that speed cameras slowed drivers.

Of the 9200 fines issued, 5100 were for instantaneous offences and 4100 were for point-to-point offences.

Most (6382) were doing less than 10km/h over the limit, while 80 were speeding by more than 20km/h in a 110km/h zone.

The details on the successful deterrent effect of the Hume cameras come as Mr Ryan today stands alongside road accident survivors, including Paralympian Josh Hose, to launch a new state speed camera awareness campaign.

He is doing so in response to a 2011 recommendation by the Auditor-General that the State Government should promote the positive contribution speed cameras make to road safety.

The Hume point-to-point cameras, which measure the average speed of a vehicle over a stretch of road, were turned off in October 2010 after a hi-tech fault resulted in nine motorists being wrongly fined.

Mr Ryan said the software problem had been fixed and cameras had been fitted with a secondary measuring device to ensure accuracy.

The Hume cameras can now also instantaneously detect speeding as motorists pass them as well as nabbing those who speed over a distance between the cameras.

Motorists can be nabbed by instantaneous cameras at Epping, Craigieburn, Beveridge, Wallan and Broadford.

Mr Ryan yesterday said point-to-point cameras were very effective at deterring motorists from speeding over long distances.

"They discourage drivers from only slowing down to avoid detection at specific fixed camera locations," he explained.

[Trevor 57]

Good, book more of them.

[usernametaken]

Next step is to have P2P cameras dotted along all entry points to highways across the State. You are snapped as you enter and then at each point along your route until you exit. From there you will be issued fines where your journey has taken less than pre-programmed acceptable time. Potentially gaining numerous fines for one journey.

I give it 10 years before this is a reality

[MercurySilver]

man im glad i live in the country

what a crock of ***** that is

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by MercurySilver

man im glad i live in the country

what a crock of ***** that is

They start at Broadford my friend, that is in the Country

I would love to know the percentage of NSW drivers who get pinged, they always slow down for the camera's, then speed up again, they don't about the point to point

[MercurySilver]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

They start at Broadford my friend, that is in the Country

I would love to know the percentage of NSW drivers who get pinged, they always slow down for the camera's, then speed up again, they don't about the point to point

fair enough
but thats no where near the 'country' i live so all good

and yup have to agree
the fg's cruise gets used all the time here

[mcnews]

Revenue, pure and simple. Appeasing the nanny state wowsers that seem to be the norm in modern Australian society. When they don't get enough revenue from this they will drop the limit to 100 on the Hume for the length. So many roads in VIC have been dropped from 100 to 80 in the past few weeks in VIC.....

[EDManual]

yep, I'd say the NSW drivers are the main culprits. There no signs to warn them.

Highway robbery, nothing else.

I actually drove past there on Wednesday in the rain, a vt and vy commodore had slipped off the highway in seperate single car incidents inside the point to point camera area! Maybe they were not speeding but had another issue like bald tyres in the wet and unskilled young drivers!

[Kevxr8Leexr6]

Originally Posted by EDManual

yep, I'd say the NSW drivers are the main culprits. There no signs to warn them.

Highway robbery, nothing else.

I actually drove past there on Wednesday in the rain, a vt and vy commodore had slipped off the highway in seperate single car incidents inside the point to point camera area! Maybe they were not speeding but had another issue like bald tyres in the wet and unskilled young drivers!

Yep do have them in nsw . bathurst to lithgow , bathurst to blayney being done now. and a heap more of them goin in further outwest

[BLKWDW]

Originally Posted by Kevxr8Leexr6

Yep do have them in nsw . bathurst to lithgow , bathurst to blayney being done now. and a heap more of them goin in further outwest

Where in blayney are they being built? I drive through there twice a day and have not noticed any works going on.

Theres also point to point on picton rd as well and if you go west there is plenty up and down the newell highway and the same on the highway heading to s.a.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by BLKWDW

Where in blayney are they being built? I drive through there twice a day and have not noticed any works going on.

Try here... but as has already been said they're only for Trucks...... so far
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety..._locations.pdf

I don't know what all the drama is about we (Truckies) not only have point to point but also the Safe-T-Cam system to contend with.
This also a point to point but over much longer distances.

[Silver Ghia]

It doesn't matter how everyone behaves on the roads, as long as you don't go faster than the speed limit. The arbitrary number which safety is solely based upon, rain, hail or shine.

So to avoid fines, the FG cruise control is a brilliant system, coupled with the accurate digital speedo.

[Raptor]

With that many speeding it's pretty clear that most people consider the speed limit on the Hume is TOO LOW!

It would be better to use those stats to allow the limit to be revised upwards.

Pure money grab!

[xisled]

Originally Posted by Raptor

With that many speeding it's pretty clear that most people consider the speed limit on the Hume is TOO LOW!

It would be better to use those stats to allow the limit to be revised upwards.

Pure money grab!

I drive on the Hume 2 or 3 times a week up and back. Putting limit up would be scary. The road conditions are really bad, Big pot holes, uneven surfaces. You would be asking for more trouble if you increased the limit without fixing the road first.

[EDManual]

Originally Posted by xisled

I drive on the Hume 2 or 3 times a week up and back. Putting limit up would be scary. The road conditions are really bad, Big pot holes, uneven surfaces. You would be asking for more trouble if you increased the limit without fixing the road first.

er! Watch where you are driving! The road is fine, drive to the conditions. If theres a pothole (I drive it lots and there are pretty much no potholes) drive around it? If you cant do that, maybe you have your cruise control on, are on your handsfree and are zoned out. Get off the road.
Anyway, speedlimits up?! Thats not going to happen...

[flappist]

Originally Posted by xisled

I drive on the Hume 2 or 3 times a week up and back. Putting limit up would be scary. The road conditions are really bad, Big pot holes, uneven surfaces. You would be asking for more trouble if you increased the limit without fixing the road first.

Yet thousands and thousands of vehicles are travelling the road at above the speed limit on a daily basis without carnage.

Don't you just hate it when reality refuses to back up your theory.......

[Mr Scheme]

I remember Jeremy Clarkson talking about average speed cameras in the UK and saying just pull over and read the newspaper for a few minutes and set off again!

Its sad that the government has focused on speed as the primary cause and factor in accidents on the road. Because speed is always a secondary factor.

You can say that someone was going too fast for a corner but speed is still secondary to the fact that the person has misjudged the corner, their ability or the cars ability. That really is a training and knowledge problem.

[Night]

Originally Posted by Mr Scheme

I remember Jeremy Clarkson talking about average speed cameras in the UK and saying just pull over and read the newspaper for a few minutes and set off again!

I also remember he bagged them because he said if you speed up to overtake someone you then sit there trying to workout what speed you have to sit on for a set distance so you don't get a ticket. Some people will panic after overtaking and then completely slow down causing everyone behind to get agro.
Personally I think point to point cameras are stupid, I have nothing against speed cameras especially if they are used correctly but this is too far. We don't need something that causes even more distraction to bad drivers

[joolz]

Originally Posted by Raptor

With that many speeding it's pretty clear that most people consider the speed limit on the Hume is TOO LOW!

It would be better to use those stats to allow the limit to be revised upwards.

Pure money grab!

If only you were in Government with a common sense approach. But you wont make money...

The Hume is the most boring stretch of road in Victoria with the Geelong Fwy close behind.

[Mr Scheme]

I would add the Bruce Hwy heading from Brisbane north to the boring roads.
They put in high crash zones and dropped the speed limit to 90km/hr.
I think I'm more likely to crash from falling asleep now!

[PridenJoy]

So what stopping someone from giving their car a squirt up to say 140km/h between the cameras then stopping for a few seconds to make sure the time elapsed is the same as if he was consistently doing 110km/h? Would that work?

[superfly]

Originally Posted by PridenJoy

So what stopping someone from giving their car a squirt up to say 140km/h between the cameras then stopping for a few seconds to make sure the time elapsed is the same as if he was consistently doing 110km/h? Would that work?

Yes I would say so as it works on time.

I wonder what the lowest speed fine would be. Would they send out a fine for doing 111 in at 110 zone? In other words, what's the margin for error?

[STINKY NINJA]

Dont speed...

[MAD]

Just another way to make the Hume even more boring.
It's boring enough at 120km/h, 130km/h makes it a little more bearable.

I guess you just have to pull over and have a coffee in each section, then blaze it and still be over the time frame.

[SteveJH]

Pacific Highway has Point to Point camera's from south of Taree all the way up to Urunga now.

And then from about Ballina(?) north to the border.

[MAD]

I reckon these could even make you talk yourself to sleep.
"God I hate these cameras, making me stick to 110", "110 feels so slow, this trip is going to take forever."

[Brute 33]

In NSW P2P is only for vehicles 4.5 tonne and over ATM .....but that will all change soon enough....KA-CHING....

[XBROO]

Yeah there some on the way to the sunshine coast. You can do 200+ then just pull up and wait till a car passes you, that you already took notice of before you do that speed. Yeah they really work.

[GTP-RPD]

Does anyone know if buckshot can be forensically traced?

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by GTP-RPD

Does anyone know if buckshot can be forensically traced?

Ha!


It is obvious the limit is too low, this data should be used to increase limits to 120 or 130.