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28-05-2013, 07:42 PM | #1 | ||
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Ian Porter's article in today's GoAuto is a must read, but it will upset you!
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28-05-2013, 07:46 PM | #2 | ||
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28-05-2013, 07:49 PM | #3 | ||
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28-05-2013, 07:50 PM | #4 | |||
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http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257B79000BAEC7
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28-05-2013, 08:28 PM | #5 | ||
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28-05-2013, 07:49 PM | #6 | ||
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So post the damn link and/or story instead of another useless one line contribution.
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28-05-2013, 07:53 PM | #7 | ||
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And I take it your intellectual contributions are pure gold?
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28-05-2013, 07:57 PM | #8 | ||
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28-05-2013, 09:41 PM | #10 | ||
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Great article. What happens to Ford, if the government does make changes to tariffs?, Ever since Geoff was in charge senior management has let the Falcon image degrade to an extent that it is now virtually worthless. A huge crisis is looming in this country and I can see a similar situation developing as in Europe, Recessions and large scale unemployment. In such an environment who could afford a car.
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29-05-2013, 07:28 PM | #11 | ||
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The primary reason for GM, Ford and Chrysler to set up manufacturing here in the first place was because it was cheaper than importing them. period.
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29-05-2013, 07:40 PM | #12 | ||
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I support TRUE. FREE. TRADE. But that includes the US agricultural and manufacturing industries, THEY should DO what they PREACH.
Then there are the French....
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28-05-2013, 09:57 PM | #13 | ||
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I have no doubt this is true, I spent many years carting imports off the wharf and in the back of thousands of containers unloading them , they were loaded with everthing imagineable,
scratching my head thinking why the hell are we buying this stuff from other countries when we could / should be easily make it here/grow it here, the only conclusion I could come up with is our own pollies have sold us down the river. Last edited by mik; 28-05-2013 at 10:13 PM. |
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28-05-2013, 10:15 PM | #14 | ||
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I am old enough to remember the kiwis denying US nuclear powered ships in their ports, the yanks tipped their hats to them for not being pushed around.
We on the other hand are simply desperate to become the 51st state it seems and get no genuine respect, we never show any independence and as a result simply ask how high....
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28-05-2013, 10:45 PM | #15 | ||
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28-05-2013, 11:04 PM | #16 | ||
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They aren't blessed with our iron ore, that's our permanent 'free kick' we can't pat ourselves on the back.
They have a population equal to just one of our major cities and their best keep gravitating to Bondi
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29-05-2013, 12:37 AM | #17 | |||
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So much waste with our tax money it beggars beyond belief, we will see riots in this country in the near future like the ones we see overseas. |
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29-05-2013, 04:18 AM | #18 | ||
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the place has been ran by dh incorporated..
world economy is **** lets tax our people and industries about some wierd theoretical gas effect.. still lol about all the propaganda in smoko room at the time and all our new jobs on windfarms.. world economy is **** lets tax the only industry that seems to be doing ok the big bad miners.. real clever make us un competitive on world stage and big boys will **** off quicksmart.. watch for big holes in africa.... lols @ efforts to kill off live cattle trade ffs.... tariffs or free trade.. needs someone in bs castle with half a brain and balls to match to sort out |
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29-05-2013, 07:55 PM | #19 | ||
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29-05-2013, 08:33 PM | #20 | ||
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You got that right. You have to remember the terms of there lifetime super plan. Two terms of parliament and they are home free, with a life time, untill death, with their snouts in the trough.
Cut and paste the link, stick it in an email to YOUR !!!!! local MP and give them an earful of how you feel. Or sit on your **** and do F all. Very good artical. Bet he gets the DCM. Way too political for a car mag. |
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30-05-2013, 12:42 AM | #21 | |||
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29-05-2013, 06:59 AM | #22 | ||
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I have to say, one of the most intelligent articles I have read on the subject, thank you reyman.
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29-05-2013, 11:18 AM | #23 | ||
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Very good article and some excellent points made.
It's a shame we have let our industrial capability deteriorate as much as we have. Once the mining boom ends what will we fall back on? Unfortunately for the Falcon, a range of issues have lead to its death, and the above issue is only one of them, so let's not use this as an excuse to simply 'blame the pollies' for the end of Ford production here.
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29-05-2013, 07:07 PM | #24 | |||
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i`m not sure about toyota, they are very savvy and clever with their cars, they kit them out pretty good from the start then do very little to them for years except for cheaper incremental changes, and they are more often than not the cheaper to build front wheel drive, and probably have less local content?? so you would think they they would have a bit of extra margin to play with. |
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29-05-2013, 08:01 PM | #25 | |||
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We have far more choice in cars than we had in decades past, and foreign cars have become more affordable. It really is a win for everyone except Falcon/Commodore faithful, who now represent a minority in the marketplace.
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29-05-2013, 08:04 PM | #26 | ||
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I don't care about myself but I REALY feel for the assembly line members, it must be stressful in their families.
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29-05-2013, 08:21 PM | #28 | ||
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Falcon does not have a price issue.
They are good value for money and look at something like the F6 - massive bang for buck compared to imported performance cars. The problem is not enough people want them anymore, and making them cheaper, or foreign cars a bit more expensive, won't change that.
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29-05-2013, 11:57 PM | #29 | |||
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In the lower wage bracket for a lot of people the F6 /GT would be way above means of many , and this where I reckon the poorer class of people are making the choice between even the cheapest of the full size cars like xts /omegas and buying a mazda or cheaper mid size car no matter how good the big cars are if people are cash strapped they will buy what they can afford, even if it is only a few thouand cheaper with interest it becomes more. |
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29-05-2013, 08:55 PM | #30 | ||
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We have signed away almost every trading advantage we had through these idiotic "free" trade agreements by successive governments. We cop it in the rear every time while those champions of the free world USA put punative tariffs on whatever the hell they like.
Early '90's a 20 odd percent tarrif was slapped on Aussie steel. Our gov't rolled over and now we have very few steel mills left. Just one example where we've just rolled over. I also believe there's some trade agreements out there which places a legal obligation on us to buy citrus pulp from South America while our citrus growers plough in their orchards. Something is very wrong indeed.
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