VFACTS October 2013

[BroadyFord]

Official figures sketchy but Dowling just tweeted that Commo had its BEST monthly result in 3 years (3300 deliveries).

[Joe5619]

A) Can't we wait for real numbers?
B) What said times when 3,300 is considered a great month for Commo!!

[BroadyFord]

Interesting...

Commodore bounces back


http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and..._back_20131101

But Toyota Corolla firms as top-seller for the year.
As Holden's manufacturing future remains under a cloud the Commodore has had its best monthly sales performance in two years.

Preliminary figures show Holden delivered more than 3300 new Commodores in October, an increase of 35 per cent compared with the same month last year.

"It just goes to show that there are a lot of Australians out there who want an Australian-made car," said Holden's sales and marketing executive director, Philip Brook. "It's a great result considering it is a soft market."

Industry analysts believe new-car sales dipped by 2 per cent for the second month in a row, but official figures are not released until next week.

But it was a somewhat shallow victory for what was Australia's favourite car for 15 years in a row, ranking third behind two Japanese imports, the Toyota Corolla and Mazda3 small cars.

"The market has changed but the results of the VF (Commodore) prove we're building cars that people want," said Mr Brook.

Having clocked up its fifth monthly win this year and the second in a row, the Toyota Corolla is on track to become Australia’s top-selling car for the first time ever.

In other upsets, South Korean car maker Hyundai pushed Mazda off the podium for third place for the third time this year. And Hyundai's sister brand Kia pushed Honda outside the top 10 for the second month in a row.

In a stark example of the impact of the imported competition, the Volkswagen Golf outsold the locally made Holden Cruze small car for the second month in a row.

Top 10 cars October 2013
Toyota Corolla 3860
Mazda3 3610
Holden Commodore 3310
Toyota HiLux 3170
Hyundai i30 2380
Toyota Camry 2250
Ford Ranger 2025
Volkswagen Golf 1965
Holden Cruze 1925
Nissan Navara 1920

Top 10 brands October 2013
Toyota 18,130 -- down 2 per cent
Holden 10,530 -- up 3 per cent
Hyundai 8130 -- up 7 per cent
Mazda 7965 -- up 3 per cent
Ford 7485 -- down 10 per cent
Nissan 5295 -- down 20 per cent
Mitsubishi 5065 -- down 5 per cent
Volkswagen 4875 -- down 12 per cent
Subaru 2860 -- down 10 per cent
Kia 2530 -- down 15 per cent

[Road_Warrior]

Drivel is saying "Territory down 9%" year on year which works out to roughly 1100 units.

[1TUFFUTE]

Looks to me the vf is just eating Cruize sales!

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Looks to me the vf is just eating Cruize sales!

Yes, and then what happens when the 'newness' of the VF wears off?

These spikes in sales are due to a lot of VE owners making the update on a car that goes back to 2006. When that settles, expect sales to go down to 2000 - 2500. Probably even less than that.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by P6LTD351

Yes, and then what happens when the 'newness' of the VF wears off?

These spikes in sales are due to a lot of VE owners making the update on a car that goes back to 2006. When that settles, expect sales to go down to 2000 - 2500. Probably even less than that.

I can't see any data that extra Commodore sales are due to VE owners updating their cars - maybe these are conquest sales from other large sedans ?

[Mercury 8]

I would be rejoicing if Falcon was selling in the same numbers as Commodore.

[The Monty]

2000 rangers is a good result..

[Fordman]

Ranger proudly flying the flag!

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by Fordman

Ranger proudly flying the flag!

Imagine what the numbers will be if the ranger had a toyota badge on it?

[wrongwaynorris]

Originally Posted by Gadgetman

Imagine what the numbers will be if the ranger had a toyota badge on it?

Imagine what the numbers would be if you could actually get one , supply is the ONLY limiting factor to Ranger sales at the moment .

[castellan]

Be good to see how many Aurions sold.

Don't know why people are buying total rubbish like dual cabs is it a trend or price and fuel econ has still got nothing to do with it. a mate has the new D max what a load of rubbish they are, i could not wate to get out of it and i was in the passenger seat. nothing but just total backward pice of junk !

I could not believe it when holden brought out that big heavy VE it's like 400KG more then a VS commodore and you can't see out of the VE that well.
And the falcon is to big as well, so the wife bought a Aurion because she can see out of it better. I wanted the falcon but she did not like it. she did not like the camry 4 cyl engine to harsh and gutless.
The mazda 3 engine was harsh and growling all the time as well, just junk !

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by castellan

Be good to see how many Aurions sold.

Don't know why people are buying total rubbish like dual cabs is it a trend or price and fuel econ has still got nothing to do with it. a mate has the new D max what a load of rubbish they are, i could not wate to get out of it and i was in the passenger seat. nothing but just total backward pice of junk !

I could not believe it when holden brought out that big heavy VE it's like 400KG more then a VS commodore and you can't see out of the VE that well.
And the falcon is to big as well, so the wife bought a Aurion because she can see out of it better. I wanted the falcon but she did not like it. she did not like the camry 4 cyl engine to harsh and gutless.
The mazda 3 engine was harsh and growling all the time as well, just junk !

Probly cause a lot of people who are buying dual cabs are tradies and can use the vehicle for work and play on the weekends. Bit hard working out the back of an Aurion........... Horses for courses.........

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

Imagine what the numbers would be if you could actually get one , supply is the ONLY limiting factor to Ranger sales at the moment .

Yep... And if Ford actually priced models correctly... E.g. 3.2 Litre Auto 4x4 Single Cabs are pretty much as dear as a dual cab? What the **** is with that?

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

Yep... And if Ford actually priced models correctly... E.g. 3.2 Litre Auto 4x4 Single Cabs are pretty much as dear as a dual cab? What the **** is with that?

This is more the issue. Ford are in la la land with pricing hence the pathatic kuga number too. You reckon they would have learned from the previous model kuga wouldnt you. Not Ford, thats why they are where they are. Love the products not so the people that pitch it to the public.

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

Imagine what the numbers would be if you could actually get one , supply is the ONLY limiting factor to Ranger sales at the moment .

Sorry mate, but apart from wildtrak, there arent any. 3.2 autos are on their way in a huge way.

[kevino]

Any numbers for the Top 20 and any numbers for Falc/Focus/Fiesta/Tezza?

[Gadgetman]

Disappointing to not see the Focus in the top 10. That car needs to perform better!

[buickman]

Originally Posted by Gadgetman

Disappointing to not see the Focus in the top 10. That car needs to perform better!

I recently hired a car in Nth Qld from Hertz did not see any Focus cars for hire in any of the hire car companies all they had were I30 Hyundai’s in the size I needed. After a week in the car and have read some good reports by the motoring press the car was a fairly ordinary drive the steering was vague excessive engine and tyre noise in the cabin and the tyres on the car were very poor in grip on the tight roads. So I guess Hyundai sales are mainly to fleets maybe because of cheap running costs that put it over the Focus or Cruze.

[Adamz Ghia]

Sorry, but if you're selling 2500 a month, but have the potential to sell 3500 per month but do nothing to boost supply, your business wouldn't last very long and it is not a good problem to have. As a company they need to grow their customer base and at the moment there are a number of people walking over to other brands because they can't get what they want from Ford.

Let's assume an ever age sale price of $45,000, and a loss of 500 sales per month due to under supply, that's a lost $22,500,000 in sales. Can be as tiny an island as you want, but in anyone's language that's a lot of cash going elsewhere...

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Sorry, but if you're selling 2500 a month, but have the potential to sell 3500 per month but do nothing to boost supply, your business wouldn't last very long and it is not a good problem to have. As a company they need to grow their customer base and at the moment there are a number of people walking over to other brands because they can't get what they want from Ford.

Let's assume an ever age sale price of $45,000, and a loss of 500 sales per month due to under supply, that's a lost $22,500,000 in sales. Can be as tiny an island as you want, but in anyone's language that's a lot of cash going elsewhere...

firstly, it is pure speculation that they could sell more if they had them, and secondly, they are selling well north 2500/month globally.

do you know what it would cost them to up the line rate in thailand? its all speculation, so i maintain that if they are selling everything they build (and they are building plenty) then that is a good problem.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by prydey

firstly, it is pure speculation that they could sell more if they had them, and secondly, they are selling well north 2500/month globally.

do you know what it would cost them to up the line rate in thailand? its all speculation, so i maintain that if they are selling everything they build (and they are building plenty) then that is a good problem.

Its pure speculation that they are "selling every one they build" as well.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Sorry, but if you're selling 2500 a month, but have the potential to sell 3500 per month but do nothing to boost supply, your business wouldn't last very long and it is not a good problem to have. As a company they need to grow their customer base and at the moment there are a number of people walking over to other brands because they can't get what they want from Ford.

Let's assume an ever age sale price of $45,000, and a loss of 500 sales per month due to under supply, that's a lost $22,500,000 in sales. Can be as tiny an island as you want, but in anyone's language that's a lot of cash going elsewhere...

Do nothing....? Read my above comments. That's just a brief version!
And I'm pretty sure it's not the end of the world when ford has to tell customers the waiting line is long because the car is sooooo good they can't make enough.
I know I was impressed when I was shopping for one and found out the facts from the dealers as to why the waiting lists were as long as they were.

[PepeLePew]

Interesting to see Golf up, pricing offers? Surprised Amarok didn't get a show seem to be pushing that hard, and if Holdens Colorado comments are to be believed it'd be in the top 5.

[Gadgetman]

Yup. It reinforces the fact the cars are good enough, problem is the brand isn't

[XR Martin]

Doesnt the Ranger still have supply issues? Especially with auto variants?

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Doesnt the Ranger still have supply issues? Especially with auto variants?

The Thai factory is running flat out and they're selling everything available worldwide.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

The Thai factory is running flat out and they're selling everything available worldwide.

Automatics for 3.2 are supply limited form USA until it brings the new line on at Liviona - for US Transit and global Ranger

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Automatics for 3.2 are supply limited form USA until it brings the new line on at Liviona - for US Transit and global Ranger

Imagine if a few v6 ecoboosts arrive attached to some of those autos and found they're way into some wild Wildtracks.