Poll for National Drivers Licence.

[csv8]

I agree a national drivers licence is needed.
My nursing registration is national.
How a national drivers licence would be implemented would be interesting.!
https://www.facebook.com/22265760886...7237629825887/

[Raptor]

When the thread title say Poll, I expect an AFF Poll. I don't have Facebook.

So I've added one

Open for the next 15 days, get voting.




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[dunga]

Originally Posted by csv8

I agree a national drivers licence is needed.
My nursing registration is national.
How a national drivers licence would be implemented would be interesting.!
https://www.facebook.com/22265760886...7237629825887/

I might be stupid as i have a nsw drivers license but I'm pretty sure i can drive in all Australian states and territories even over seas, all a load of you know what all it would it mean is more cost and achieve nothing.

[nstg8a]

National one would be a pain, different rules in every state,

[T3rminator]

What would be the difference to the driver between State and National licence? Would this stop people who lost their licence in Vic being able to get a new one in QLD?

[dunga]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

What would be the difference to the driver between State and National licence? Would this stop people who lost their licence in Vic being able to get a new one in QLD?

Is that the case now can people who have lost their license in 1 state obtain a license in another ?

[arronm]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

What would be the difference to the driver between State and National licence? Would this stop people who lost their licence in Vic being able to get a new one in QLD?

If I live in WA and lose my licence , I cant drive in that state no matter how many other licences I have. But if I had a NSW licence I could drive in other state but WA.

So a national licence sucks..

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by arronm

If I live in WA and lose my licence , I cant drive in that state no matter how many other licences I have. But if I had a NSW licence I could drive in other state but WA.

So a national licence sucks..

Except... It is illegal to have more than one car driver’s license in Australia.

[Schtoo]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Except... It is illegal to have more than one car driver’s license in Australia.

Really?



In that case, I'm illegal as I have 2 current, paid up, driver's licenses.



Both are mine, legally obtained and legitimate. Both are accepted as valid in Hawaii?



One's Vic. The other from Japan. But I do have two, and I don't think I'm breaking any laws in having them. ;)


Japan has individual 'states' licenses, but the road laws are the same everywhere. Driving there is less and more stressful than here because while you generally won't get a ticket for being a 'little' over the speed limit (and a little is variable term, from 10-50% over the posted limit), an awful lot of folks are really poor drivers and take the variable rules well past the speed limit, and start thinking stop signs and red lights are 'optional'...


As much as the law breakers over there annoy me, it's nice to not have to worry about being 2km/h over unless you're being a moron. Also recommended to have a new-ish and well maintained car because if you're driving some jalopy at mach 3, you're going to get in big heaps 'o' trouble.



Our car's cruise control only goes to 115km/h, but the newest one goes to 130km/h, more than any posted limit over there. Reflects what folks are actually driving at, not some draconian 'rule'. Still speed limited to 180, but baby steps...


(And she wonders why I want to drag a Falcon over there. I'm not sure why I want to drag a GT-R over here though.)


Stu.

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Schtoo

Really?
One's Vic. The other from Japan. But I do have two, and I don't think I'm breaking any laws in having them. ;)
Stu.

Just to clarify, I was referring to having more than one current Australian car driver's Licence.

[You Yangs]

Moot point, if you wanna talk about National Road rules then I’m all ears.

[Franco Cozzo]

What license?

I'm all for standardisation of driving rules and national license.

As long as it's the VIC rules that go national

[GO FURTHER]

Well...

We have;

- National Passport Number
- National Medicare Number
- National Tax File Number
- National Citizenship Number

So yeah, national Driver's Licence makes sense, especially since we are slowly moving to a "digital licence" system.

And while they are at it, I believe there should be national car registration numbers as well

It seems ridiculous that you can have the same personalised number plate in 5 states ... Cars cross borders!

I've been caught out myself, collecting fines for unpaid parking and toll fees, because someone from interstate came down to my state and the toll way cameras and stupid parking inspectors did not differentiate the "state" stamped on the number plate, and the rego number was the same as mine!

Vehicles can still have "state based plates", but the alphanumerical rego combination on them should be drawn, and used only once from a national database.

[thefargo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What license?

I'm all for standardisation of driving rules and national license.

As long as it's the VIC rules that go national

No, make it South Australian rules.
Every drive is a competition; let NO one in, earn the space. If it even looks as if someone is about to enter the lane, or turn; speed up. Do not let any one in, ever.
If someone misses their turn off, so what, take the next one, South Australian roads were designed on a square grid, you can always get back.
People who let others in , slow down to create a safe driving distance, etc, wouldn't last long in SA and besides where's the sport in that?

[XR8GRL]

Originally Posted by thefargo

No, make it South Australian rules.
Every drive is a competition; let NO one in, earn the space. If it even looks as if someone is about to enter the lane, or turn; speed up. Do not let any one in, ever.
If someone misses their turn off, so what, take the next one, South Australian roads were designed on a square grid, you can always get back.
People who let others in , slow down to create a safe driving distance, etc, wouldn't last long in SA and besides where's the sport in that?

The states don't seem all that different now, that sounds a lot like VIC rules too

[dunga]

anyone thinks the states will give up a revenue stream and hand it over to the feds is a dreamer.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What license?

I'm all for standardisation of driving rules and national license.

As long as it's the VIC rules that go national

Geez you blokes are slow sometimes, we went to National Road Rules in 1999, that is 21 years ago - similar to what they try to do with WHS laws in 2011

There will never be a standardisation of road rules as there are different situations that impact various States, like for example, no-one else has the same tram infrastructure as Victoria so why would you impose those laws on other States and Territories and Victoria doesn't allow for triple road trains

There has been a National Heavy Vehicle drivers licence for years and years

All Police in all States have access to your driving history - the data is shared on a National data-base - so it is pointless have a 'national' licence as it is pretty much already in place

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Geez you blokes are slow sometimes, we went to National Road Rules in 1999, that is 21 years ago - similar to what they try to do with WHS laws in 2011

There will never be a standardisation of road rules as there are different situations that impact various States, like for example, no-one else has the same tram infrastructure as Victoria so why would you impose those laws on other States and Territories and Victoria doesn't allow for triple road trains

There has been a National Heavy Vehicle drivers licence for years and years

All Police in all States have access to your driving history - the data is shared on a National data-base - so it is pointless have a 'national' licence as it is pretty much already in place

If they're national then why do QLD drivers indicate out of roundabouts but VIC ones don't, how come you can throw U turns at lights here but not in NSW and some states have speed limits for P platers while others don't and everyone has different vehicle restrictions for P platers?

Oh and the only thing WHS harmonisation legislation did was they adopted the same name for the legislation but modified it to suit their own needs so while the name is the same the legislation is different from state to state.

Doesn't sound very 'national' to me?

Originally Posted by aussiblue

Today's paper has another example of how those in the east are out of touch with WA and have an overinflated view of their own importance:
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/paint...ng-b881580020z

VIC and NSW have carried WA for 150+ years so it's about time you started paying back your debt to us - VIC's economy makes up 23% of Australia's GDP and WA does 14%.

Now your GST is due so make sure it's in our account by the end of the month

[DJR-351]

For your perusal......

https://www.ntc.gov.au/laws-and-regu...20and%20others.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

For your perusal......

https://www.ntc.gov.au/laws-and-regu...20and%20others.

that stuff was my bread and butter for over 20 years when I worked as a post licence heavy vehicle driver trainer, now OHS/WHS is my bread and butter

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

If they're national then why do QLD drivers indicate out of roundabouts but VIC ones don't

check your road law, been in Victoria since 1999, in fact all States do

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

how come you can throw U turns at lights here but not in NSW

I did say States have variations or are you just being pedantic?

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

and some states have speed limits for P platers while others don't and everyone has different vehicle restrictions for P platers?

as above, and it is important to note that that drivers must follow the laws of the State in which they are driving, so a NSW L Plater can do 110 km/h on some Victorian roads where that limit applies

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Oh and the only thing WHS harmonisation legislation did was they adopted the same name for the legislation but modified it to suit their own needs so while the name is the same the legislation is different from state to state.


Doesn't sound very 'national' to me?

as per the Road Law - thanks for clarifying

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

VIC and NSW have carried WA for 150+ years so it's about time you started paying back your debt to us - VIC's economy makes up 23% of Australia's GDP and WA does 14%.

Now your GST is due so make sure it's in our account by the end of the month

no comment



For us Victorians, the move to National Road Rules started when we had to change from the old 'left goes last' when turning at intersections, then the introduction of the double yellow lines and 'bricks' around trams - then we transitioned in 1999 - keep up mate

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

how come you can throw U turns at lights here but not in NSW

Being a new south Welshmen I'm interested in knowing if you can do a U turn at traffic lights if there is no road on the right so no right hand turn lane?

I had some mouth breather with QLD plates stop at a green traffic light in the right hand 'straight ahead' lane in a 70 zone to do a u turn around a median strip. There was a lot of heavy braking behind but luckily everyone was on the ball and watching ahead.

I can't see how that would be legal in any state.

[roKWiz]

I love the stupid NSW law that states, if you have your vehicle in NSW longer than 3 months it has to be registered in NSW.
They won't recognize a PO box as an address while travelling.
They don't make any allowances for people who live on the road or grey nomads.

Here are two little gems FYI.... If you have a Victorian licence it is twice as expensive to hire a car in NSW. wtf.
and if you have a NSW licence/ Vic address, buy a NSW car, its easy to transfer rego into your name, use up the rego then simply transfer it to Victorian rego without jumping through hoops.

One reason why I have a NSW licence and register all my vehicles in Victoria.

Bring on a national licence and while they are at it bring on a national transport travel card.

[Ben73]

They would have to make the road rules the same all across the country. Good luck with that since all states would think they're right.

[hayseed]

They tried It 20 odd years ago with heavy Vehicle (truck) Licences.
We all got a Purple (magenta) License With the Title "Australian Heavy vehicle Licence"
But Now whilst they're still Purple they now just have whatever is the Home state of the licence Holder on Them...

[arronm]

Anything is only illegal when you get caught

[aussiblue]

Having worked in numerous WA Government agencies in my past life, I can just say having an eastern states centric management regime never works well here but with uniform legislation and policies it always happens as the other states argue they have the majority of people cars whatever. And of course it's always too much trouble for the "wise men from the east" to visit WA and see what the rules and policies developed in the east mean in practice here. Our roads are different (generally less developed) and our rural population more spread out amongst other things.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by aussiblue

Having worked in numerous WA Government agencies in my past life, I can just say having an eastern states centric management regime never works well here but with uniform legislation and policies it always happens as the other states argue they have the majority of people cars whatever. And of course it's always too much trouble for the "wise men from the east" to visit WA and see what the rules and policies developed in the east mean in practice here. Our roads are different (generally less developed) and our rural population more spread out amongst other things.

My WA mates always tell me how oppressed we are in the east with our draconian road rules (Vic) . I didn't think it was that different, except with how strict it is enforced?

[Polyal]

YES. Make all the rules the same and cut the bureaucracy that runs it!

From a personal experience in the last ~10 years we have lived in VIC, TAS, QLD now NSW and I am so sick of having to change over for zero benefit. Throw in rego changes as well and its crazy.

I guess the negative is if/when the system fails is all drops, but, you could still have states manage but overall data is collated?

[Mowdit]

We're basically at Australia Card level anyway !