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08-01-2021, 09:26 AM | #1 | ||
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We recently revived new work utes, 2020 Hilux 4WD, Poverty packs. Because we have some woosies here they was ordered with 6 speed autos. The previous works utes were 2015 Colorados, so we were looking forward to the upgrade.
First impressions of the new Hilux's were disappointing. I still can't find a comfortable driving position, the drivers seat is too high and can't be adjusted down on the poverty packs. The steering wheel is fully adjusted up and out and I still have trouble getting in the thing without twisting like a pretzel, I am 183cm, The dash layout is ok but looks a generation behind. The powertrain is the most disappointing, it is gutless, it might be better with the six speed manual. Sad to say the old Colorado drove better, it was a manual. Over the last few years I have driven a few Rangers and Everest's and they are so much better than the Hilux. My Father-in-Law bought himself a Povety pack Everest mid last year and it craps all over the new Hilux's we have at work. I find it hard to believe that someone would choose a Hilux over a Ranger, if they have driven both.
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08-01-2021, 09:34 AM | #2 | |||
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Throw in the "Toyota reliability and resale" reputation, which isn't as strong in reality as it once was... |
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08-01-2021, 11:10 AM | #3 | ||
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yes, it's all about 'brand' and 'perception' Most Hilux buyers are diehard repeat customers and won't even look at the opposition. while 10 years ago that was probably okay, the others have obviously come on in leaps and bounds - Hilux doesn't really seem to have radially changed in decades
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08-01-2021, 02:43 PM | #4 | |||
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08-01-2021, 03:13 PM | #5 | |||
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In my early days I was die hard fan for Holden brand no matter what they produced, took me a while to learn there were better brand vehicles available. |
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08-01-2021, 11:11 AM | #6 | ||
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Id be more concerned with rust issues in your inlaws Everest than the driving dynamics of a Hilux Workmate fleet vehicle.
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08-01-2021, 02:01 PM | #7 | ||
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Could you elaborate?
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08-01-2021, 07:43 PM | #8 | ||
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08-01-2021, 03:14 PM | #10 | |||
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So my ranger got replaced with a triton that had the extra ride height. I knew my height so anyhow. When i left my last job and gave that car back on the friday. My ex boss called me on the monday to have a laugh. The guy who got that car didnt check his height and 1st job in that car hit a sprinkler in the car park. So i think thats a reason sales of the base 2x4 hiluxs to companies remain strong. |
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08-01-2021, 03:45 PM | #11 | |||
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08-01-2021, 06:46 PM | #12 | |||
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https://www.ford.com.au/build-and-pr...rcial_Vehicles There are a few reason why Ford lose out on these sales. As mentioned, there is the Toyota reputation factor. And look at the RRP in the link above. $32,361 for a base Ranger, and that's before a tray is added. Now that figure is obviously open to negotiation, I got my PX II Ranger with a custom steel tray brand new for $28,000. However even at a discounted price, a base Ranger is still more expensive than a Hilux or Triton. Ford refuse to offer a petrol entry model, something Toyota have no problem selling. Another factor losing sales for Ford is a lack of automatic transition on the base low rider single cab. That would be a deal breaker for many. So with a cheaper entry price, available auto and better resale, it's no surprise fleets and tradesman choose Hilux at this end of the market. For me, I was happy to pay the premium for the Ranger. Over the Hilux it rides better, steers better, has more standard equipment, a six speed manual vs a 5 speed, has a painted front bumper and it looks far tougher.
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09-01-2021, 11:44 AM | #13 | |||
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08-01-2021, 08:38 PM | #14 | |||
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Would be interesting if they offered the 2.3 ecoboost though, like they do in the US. The Toyota workmates would just about sell at break even. But i think Toyota would happily take that to boost numbers. Ford doesn’t want to do that just to move units. They want to concentrate on the much more profitable xlt’s, wildtraks and raptors. Which make up the bulk of their sales. Which has been a successful strategy. |
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08-01-2021, 09:48 PM | #15 | ||
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We have 2 Hilux Workmates and 2 equivalent base model RWD Rangers at work. The Rangers are obviously more expensive, but worth every cent and then some.
The Ranger has significantly more space(My head touches the roof in the Hilux and there isn't enough space to get comfortable), the Ranger is more comfortable, the Ranger has better tech, the list goes on really... My only complaint with the Ranger, is the manual gearbox, not nice to drive(in my personal opinion). It was actually pretty funny, one of my coworkers is mad about Hilux's-has his own SR5, wouldn't believe me that the Rangers were better. It was probably partly due to him also being a Holden bloke and not liking Fords, but he kept telling I was full of **** everytime I said the Rangers were better . Then, he had to drive one for a couple of weeks while his work Hilux was being repaired (you guessed it, DPF). Ever since driving the Ranger, he's done nothing but complain about how overrated the Hilux is, not just the base workmates but all of them. While his next ute won't be a Ranger, it definitely won't be a Hilux either, he's seen the light...
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08-01-2021, 10:03 PM | #16 | |||
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09-01-2021, 10:04 AM | #17 | |||
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and drivers realise that Ranger is anything but the piece of junk portrayed in Toyota mythology. That eyes opened moment is gold. |
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08-01-2021, 07:30 PM | #18 | ||
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At work we have MQ DC Tritons which is what I drive, 2.7L man workmate SC Hiluxes and 2.8L Auto DC Hiluxes with both the older 470Nm motor and 500Nm motor. I had to borrow the workmate for a few days and hated the driving position. Much preferred the Triton. I haven’t driven the 2.8L dual cab yet in either motor but I reckon I would be disappointed if the new motor in auto form was as described a few posts up. If I and to spend my money I was looking at the XLT DC Ranger in 3.2L auto due to power and torque ratings as well as they looks tops. When the new Hilux with improved motor came out recently I was a little excited thinking maybe some pricing battles now there was some competition with motor specs being same/similar but if it is a **** driving experience then the Ranger it is. Unfortunately the Amarok in V6 diesel is attractive except for the lack or rear passenger safety aids.
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09-01-2021, 01:19 PM | #19 | ||
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Why do people think that Toyota don’t make money on the base model Hilux.
Sure the profit on the initial sale mightn’t be awesome but you have oem accessories to be added at the point of sale. A lot of them will be serviced at dealers, and as they are treated like crap there must be plenty of oem parts supplied to a vehicle over its lifetime. It is a money making machine when you multply it out with 5-10 years worth of cars running around.
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09-01-2021, 02:47 PM | #20 | |||
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Vehicles might not even be serviced by Toyota either. But then again, when a vehicle is serviced by a dealership, does Toyota even get any of that money, or does the individual dealership get it all. Filters and parts might net a little bit of profit. |
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