HELP! I need reasons why a clevo is better than a windsor

(Hopefully) I will be getting an ZA and its got a 351c in it and im a windsor man. I love them for sound a hard revs and other reasons. Please give me some reasons why a clevo is better than a windsor. Thanks for your thoughts!
Timbo.

[xdc351]

Easy, wheezers were brought in because the Clevo's were too manly for the EPA. Clevo's were designed to be a race engine, wheezers were designed to get by emissions laws.

Clevelands make more power per $ too!

All I can think of ATM....

[Psycho Chicken]

Originally Posted by xdc351

Easy, wheezers were brought in because the Clevo's were too manly for the EPA. Clevo's were designed to be a race engine, wheezers were designed to get by emissions laws.

How could that be, when the Weezer was designed before the Clevo?

The way I see it, Clevo for carby, Clevo for BBQ fuel, Weezer for EFI. And that's only because it's way easier to do.

[xdc351]

Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

How could that be, when the Weezer was designed before the Clevo?

The way I see it, Clevo for carby, Clevo for BBQ fuel, Weezer for EFI. And that's only because it's way easier to do.

Ford soon realised the Superior Engine (tm) was the Cleveland and canned the Windsor... only to be screwed by EPA laws and have to revert back to them. I have to admit I had forgotten about early windsors though.... mainly because the 250 2V 6cyl was tougher than the windsors.

[klawsterfobik]

Originally Posted by xdc351

I have to admit I had forgotten about early windsors though.... mainly because the 250 2V 6cyl was tougher than the windsors.

Thats what i want to hear!

[XAGSV8]

I love the sound more of the clevo, but to me the clevo is more of a racey engine because it can rev higher where as the windsor runs out of puff. Also there are more aftermarket parts available for the clevo but correct me if i'm wrong.

[Racecraft]

hmm i think it is a two fold arguement
Are you talking 302 or 351?
I would of said that the 302 Windsor has it all over the Clevo as far as aftermarket goodies go
351C has more potential than its 351 Windsor counterpart with stroker kits, race applications etc
but
The 351 Windsor is no where near as top heavy and get marks for its ability to fit where a CLevo can't

[FordFan86]

I like the windsors... but im Biased.
If anything i'd like a big assed N/A Clevo or 347 stroked/blown wheezer :P

[Dodge]

eni meni miny mo
take a cleveland in a GT HO
if it blows let it go
get a windsor and lighten ur toe

Im a cleveland man for hugh power and strength until i did some testing in cosworth factory and played with the SVO windsor beasts, I like all ford engines but now i have a 428 so u can keep ur toy engines LOL Kiddn

[smciner1]

Wheezers are for P00fs (tm)!

:lookedat:

[Donut King]

wheezer has suffered 6 consecutive bathurst losses, clevo was much more successful, 'nuff said ;)

[Mike Gayner]

Originally Posted by Donut King

wheezer has suffered 6 consecutive bathurst losses, clevo was much more successful, 'nuff said ;)

Touche! ing_sm

[tickford2001]

Originally Posted by Donut King

wheezer has suffered 6 consecutive bathurst losses, clevo was much more successful, 'nuff said ;)

but chev / holden engines have won the last 6....does that mean we should all be bolting those into our falcons?

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by Donut King

wheezer has suffered 6 consecutive bathurst losses, clevo was much more successful, 'nuff said ;)

mmm thats all that counts :evil_laug

[Headsex]

I have both .... But here's my opinion in the matter

Clevelands are big/heavier than windsor(302), but breath better

Windsors were revvy engines (namly the 289), are lighter.......

Sooooo..

Why dont you put clevland heads onto a 302 windsor (with the small modifications needed)....

Best of both worlds!!

[460cixy]

only advantage the winsor has i recon is serious big revs in the 289. but clevo heads on the winsor is the goods. i recon as much as the clevo bottom end is strong as an ox its too heavy.

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by 460cixy

only advantage the winsor has i recon is serious big revs in the 289. but clevo heads on the winsor is the goods. i recon as much as the clevo bottom end is strong as an ox its too heavy.

My Cleveland makes power to 7800rpm....how many revs are enough ?

[Gammaboy]

Normal 302 Windsors (not Hipo/Mexican or Boss blocks) have a reputation for breaking blocks once you get them past 500ish hp (Don't ask me how Minges is still in one piece, maybe he doesn't drive it?, and yes, there are ways and means to get a 8.2" deck height block out to 400+ci (8.2 deck Svo or Fontana bored to 4.125", 3.6" stroke i think it is.... someone ran this setup with CHI heads in Engine Masters, came 3rd?4th?)...

351W is a real boat anchor, It was only reall ever built for trucks....

Clevos. Well, apart from core shifts in casting, 10kg extra weight in the block and the infamous oiling issues, the block is a good thing. Heck, the 9.2" and 9.5" SVO blocks use the same crank architecture, but with a Wheezer oiling/cooling architecture.
The Biggest thing the Clevos have going for them are the Heads. Even the 2V heads flow more than *any* factory Windsor head. The canted Valves make them very efficient compared to a pure wedge motor. John Kaase *won* Engine masters this year against all comers using an XE block and CHI heads/intake, sleeved down and stroked out to 406 (?) ci.
None of the aftermarket Windsor heads are anywhere as efficient as either the CHIs or the AFDs, to get similar flow numbers they've got *Massive* ports which kill bottom end....

As far as Aftermarket support, well theres *tonnes* of stuff for windsor if your in the US, but a dearth of gear for Clevo. In Aus its different. We've got 2 people manufacturing great heads, 3 or 4 different intake manufacturers, but no-one building for Windsors.....

Me? I like Clevos. You don't have to drop the cooling system or remove the dizzy to remove the intake. They rev, they flow, there are factory heads that will let you make enough power to break cranks and smash blocks without a blower... And they're AUSSIE BUILT!

Ben

[Headsex]

Ok.. So far its 2 votes for a BOSS engine :>

[MRJUCY]

Clevos are a much stronger block you don't need any of these nancy boy stud girdles like the snap happy wheezers also the Clevo heads can produce good power without much trouble the wheezers are only usefull for boat anchors plus Clevos sound waaaaay tougher

Just out of intrest what motor was in the Shelby Mustang GT?

[xdc351]

I believe the Shelby GT's ran 427's.

[Psycho Chicken]

Originally Posted by exKermitGreenXR8

Just out of intrest what motor was in the Shelby Mustang GT?

I thought they were all Wheezers?
GT350 was a 289 and GT500 was a 351?

[rag top]

Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

I thought they were all Wheezers?
GT350 was a 289 and GT500 was a 351?

Wasn't the 69 & 70 GT350 powered by a 351W??????

[Yellow Fire]

Phase 1: Windsor
Phase 2: Cleveland
Phase 3: Cleveland
Phase 4: Cleveland

Ford know a good engine when they see one

[Vic]

If the BOSS was a good combination of Windsor block and Cleveland heads then why weren't they mass produced and put into all GT's? Was there a downside to the BOSS?

[xdc351]

Originally Posted by Vic

Was there a downside to the BOSS?

Yes, it had a windsor bottom end

[brenx]

They make lots of power. It's the only reason to own a cleveland.

Brenden

[xdclevo]

Every motor can go hard, but over the last 3 years, things have improved ten fold for the cleveland, and its only going to get better from here on in. When a strong, economical aftermarket block is made, we wont want or need anything else.

[rag top]

I thought the windsor had the world record for the most number of wins from starts in 1 race car...