V8 Engine Sales 2005

csv8 · 31-01-2006, 10:20 PM

Holden sold 17,771 V8's to Fords 6.541.
Holden sales are split up :
Commodore 15%. Statesman 49%. Ute 36%. Crewman 28%.
Article didn't split Ford sales between models.

Falcon Freak · 31-01-2006, 10:23 PM

Where did you get these numbers? The difference is extremely large.

FF

csv8 · 31-01-2006, 10:26 PM

Falcon Freak : from carsguide.com

Tri Power 289 · 01-02-2006, 01:11 AM

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Falcon Freak : from carsguide.com

There's your answer right there Falcon Freak.

Paul Gover, editor of Herald Sun Carsguide is Holdens No 1 Fan!!

Falcon Freak · 01-02-2006, 07:11 AM

Well that explains why he didn't bother researching the breakdown of where the Ford V8 engines were fitted. :evil3:

FF

whippet_zetec · 01-02-2006, 01:40 PM

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Falcon Freak : from carsguide.com

anything that comes out of the same jouno's that write for the telecrap I wouldnt believe even 1/5th.

apolloxbgt · 31-01-2006, 11:35 PM

Interesting that the stato makes up 49% of v8 sale's,do they still make 6cyl one's?

vztrt · 31-01-2006, 11:40 PM

Seems right that Holden sell more V8's than Holden as Ford have the XR6T. Ford have two performance motors while Holden only have one.

all4ford · 01-02-2006, 12:48 AM

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Seems right that Holden sell more V8's than Holden as Ford have the XR6T. Ford have two performance motors while Holden only have one.

Makes sense to me. Not positive on this, but isn't the XR6T a bigger seller than XR8??

01-02-2006, 09:10 AM

Yea the 6541 is just the XR8's IMO

4.9 EF Futura · 01-02-2006, 09:28 AM

But everyone's telling me that no one is buying V8s anymore???

all4ford · 01-02-2006, 09:31 AM

I think with 49% of the V8 buyers, being statesman buyers, it says a lot about the market and maybe FPV aren't wrong. Because the sales indicate that the majority of buyers in Holden's case atleast, were looking for comfort, prestige and more features, rather then just all out performance.

pauljh74 · 01-02-2006, 10:01 AM

The reason why Holden sell so many V8s is that their sixes have typically been inferior to the Ford 6 (which is more powerful then the Holden 6), and more people make the upgrade to the V8. Also the XR6T would outsell the V8 I think. If you totalled up those sales - as they effectively cover the same market niche as the Holden V8, the figure would be much closer

buickman · 01-02-2006, 12:52 PM

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The reason why Holden sell so many V8s is that their sixes have typically been inferior to the Ford 6 (which is more powerful then the Holden 6), and more people make the upgrade to the V8. Also the XR6T would outsell the V8 I think. If you totalled up those sales - as they effectively cover the same market niche as the Holden V8, the figure would be much closer

The ford 6cyl is a a strong mtr & now a 6 speed auto to make it more effiecient. Execpting the placibo effect exhaust sound & bonnet buldge. Why would you want a V8 over the turbo six as a daily driver. Comming from a bloke that has had V8's all his life.

SSBUB · 01-02-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pauljh74

The reason why Holden sell so many V8s is that their sixes have typically been inferior to the Ford 6 (which is more powerful then the Holden 6), and more people make the upgrade to the V8. Also the XR6T would outsell the V8 I think. If you totalled up those sales - as they effectively cover the same market niche as the Holden V8, the figure would be much closer

i think your clutching at straws...you cant combine the turbo 6 and 8 to compete with holden's 8 - to get all pre-primary on you, thats two peformance cars versus 1. You would have to get the s/c 6 from holden to combin with holden v8's. And despite the popularity of the turbo 6, those two combined would still not equal the sales of holden s/c 6's and 8's.

calais · 01-02-2006, 05:02 PM

the super 6 is a null point, its been quite a while since you could buy a factory supercharged 6 from holden... they were discontinued along with the ecotec 6 at the end of vy series 2, n from memory that was mid 2004 or something like that, correct me if i'm wrong on that. But surely ford sold way more v8s in total than that little number, i mean across the entire falcon range? utes, fairlane, ltd, and fpv? lets see some factory figures to be sure.

16wantsI6 · 01-02-2006, 12:51 PM

i kind of wish the ford v8 was faster than the turbo six, it just sounds better having the v8 as the top of the range.

Lukeyson · 01-02-2006, 05:12 PM

and that doesnt include HSV's too

Bossxr8 · 01-02-2006, 06:55 PM

Holden 6's are crap, its no wonder they sell so many V8's.

gmhdriver · 01-02-2006, 07:01 PM

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Holden 6's are crap, its no wonder they sell so many V8's.

Whatever. I'm sure if they added figures for SV6's etc it would quickly dispel your theory.

And if that is your theory then it could be easily reversed to say Ford's V8's are crap, no wonder they sell so many 6's.

Bossxr8 · 01-02-2006, 07:37 PM

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Whatever. I'm sure if they added figures for SV6's etc it would quickly dispel your theory.

And if that is your theory then it could be easily reversed to say Ford's V8's are crap, no wonder they sell so many 6's.

SV6

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gmhdriver · 01-02-2006, 08:55 PM

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SV6

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I have extensively driven a couple of examples so I can vouch that they are not even close to being as bad as you are making them out to be.
I also see plenty of them on the road everyday so they can't be that bad if so many people are choosing them.

galaxy xr8 · 01-02-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gmhdriver

Whatever. I'm sure if they added figures for SV6's etc it would quickly dispel your theory.

And if that is your theory then it could be easily reversed to say Ford's V8's are crap, no wonder they sell so many 6's.

When you look at it that way, your right, let's not start a Ford / Holden bashing, but GMHDRIVER is right in this statement.

gmhdriver · 01-02-2006, 09:01 PM

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When you look at it that way, your right, let's not start a Ford / Holden bashing, but GMHDRIVER is right in this statement.

Thank you, and it was not my intention to start a flame war, just to set straight some flawed statements.

BA_BOSS · 02-02-2006, 06:18 AM

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Holden 6's are crap, its no wonder they sell so many V8's.

What a stupid statement. In what way are they "crap". There are probably more Holen 6's on the road than Ford 6's or at minimun, equal numbers. How does that make them "crap"?

Qualify the statement with facts.

Intersesting stats as I see far more V8 SS's on the road than BA-BF V8's. I generalise with these models as sales figures are stating 2005 facts. I also suspect that the I6T detracts from Fords V8 numbers and that makes sense as the I6T is popular and very good.

Bossxr8 · 03-02-2006, 06:40 PM

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What a stupid statement. In what way are they "crap". There are probably more Holen 6's on the road than Ford 6's or at minimun, equal numbers. How does that make them "crap"?

Qualify the statement with facts.

Intersesting stats as I see far more V8 SS's on the road than BA-BF V8's. I generalise with these models as sales figures are stating 2005 facts. I also suspect that the I6T detracts from Fords V8 numbers and that makes sense as the I6T is popular and very good.

Because they were critisized by every journo for being rough and extremely harsh sounding engines, that added technology over the old 3.8 V8 yet it didn't make them any better than the old ones. Fuel economy was the same, NVH levels were about the same and performance was about the same. Whats the point of quad cams, multi valves, alloy construction etc when it doesn't make the engine a huge advance over the old version. Plus the new engine is about 1 to 2k more expensive to make and build than the old Ecotec. In my opinion that makes them crap, with that sort of technology it should be light years ahead of the Ecotec, but it isn't, and i'm not the only one who thinks the same.

gmhdriver · 03-02-2006, 07:25 PM

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Because they were critisized by every journo for being rough and extremely harsh sounding engines

Judging by your comments I doubt you have even been a passenger in an Alloytec powered vehicle let alone driven one. If you did you would realise that journalists like to exaggerate these sort of things sometimes. A journalist's opinion is not the be all and end all to everything. To say that an Alloytec is "extremely harsh" is absolutely laughable.

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Fuel economy was the same, NVH levels were about the same and performance was about the same.

Alloytec 175 have been recorded around the 15.7 - 15.8 mark, while SV6's with the 190 version have recorded 15.3. An improvement over the Ecotec's average times of 16.4. Fuel economy has improved marginally, but an improvement nonetheless.

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Whats the point of quad cams, multi valves, alloy construction etc when it doesn't make the engine a huge advance over the old version..

I could say exactly the same thing about the Boss V8's. Their performance and fuel consumption is only a marginal improvement over the last Windsor V8's.

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with that sort of technology it should be light years ahead of the Ecotec, but it isn't, and i'm not the only one who thinks the same.

You are forgetting that this is the very first version of this engine and it has years of development and potential left in it. Look at the way the Ecotec evolved from the original Buick in the VN.

galaxy xr8 · 01-02-2006, 09:02 PM

If no FPV sale's are included, we only have the ute's, sedan's and long wheelbase model's( which don't sell very well anyway) that have a V8 option, and when you bring the XR6T and Territory sale's into total overall sales for Ford, no wonder the 6 perform's well, if only the Territory had a V8 option.

zetec · 01-02-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Holden sold 17,771 V8's to Fords 6.541.
Holden sales are split up :
Commodore 15%. Statesman 49%. Ute 36%. Crewman 28%.
Article didn't split Ford sales between models.

Just to clear it up guys, that's 15% of Commodores are V8's, 49% of Statesmans are V8's etc. Statesmans do not form 49% of all Holden V8 sales...

gmhdriver · 01-02-2006, 09:10 PM

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Just to clear it up guys, that's 15% of Commodores are V8's, 49% of Statesmans are V8's etc. Statesmans do not form 49% of all Holden V8 sales...

Ah ok, that clears that up, I thought that sounded incorrect when I first read it.