what E-series ford I6 will beat a VN V6 auto?

16wantsI6 · 25-10-2006, 08:26 PM

as you can tell, which E- series falcon will beat a VN? my mate has one and loves to go on about how good they are, how it does high 7's to 100ks, how its faster than every falcon untill BA.
so im on a mission, i know that VN's are actually suprisingly quick, but i heard EA Spacs 5spd manuals are pretty quick aswell.
so what do you guys reckon? i hope it doesnt come down to EF xr6's to finish the job.

LUXO_8 · 25-10-2006, 08:32 PM

an ea s pack manual should do the job nicely...

EA2BA · 25-10-2006, 08:33 PM

yeah an EA 5 speed manual MPFI with a 2.5" exhuast and extractors should give them a good run for the money.

b2tf · 25-10-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 16wantsI6

its faster than every falcon untill BA.

Most of them are with the aid of a tow truck.....

dansedgli · 25-10-2006, 08:37 PM

VN V6! Aim high!

INJECTED_250 · 25-10-2006, 08:38 PM

Any manual pretty much from EA-EL...

EB Pete · 26-10-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by INJECTED_250

Any manual pretty much from EA-EL...

agreed

Psycho Chicken · 25-10-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dansedgli

VN V6! Aim high!

And auto as well!

16wantsI6 · 25-10-2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

And auto as well!

lol i thought that the VN autos were quicker than there manuals, and vice versa for falcons.
yeah i know its a VN, but i just want to shut my mate up.
i know he can beat an EF fairmont with it, but they dont have xr6 motors, it weighs more and are autos so that makes sense.

1TUFFUTE · 26-10-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 16wantsI6

lol i thought that the VN autos were quicker than there manuals, and vice versa for falcons.
yeah i know its a VN, but i just want to shut my mate up.
i know he can beat an EF fairmont with it, but they dont have xr6 motors, it weighs more and are autos so that makes sense.

my mate just finished his ford van in which he put a vn motor with light head work full exhuast, 3.45 lock diff air intake and a B n M quick shifter for the recod auto. Also his van weighs in 80kgs lighter than the vn the motor came out off. My wifes auto EF Fairmont ghiaII(has the tickford motor) hosed him by 2 cars to 100 everytime.The ef is totaly stock too. :alien2:

oh yeah...it was good of the line tho...damn those gear ratios

16wantsI6 · 25-10-2006, 08:37 PM

lol i know i hate Vn's with a passion, what else? what a bout an EB 5spd should they be quicker as they make nearly 150kw?

16wantsI6 · 25-10-2006, 08:39 PM

lol i know his car would beat my 302, but my excuse is that my car weighs 2 tonne, at least my engine makes more power and torque.

16wantsI6 · 25-10-2006, 08:40 PM

the VN's have slower Manuals, and the falcons have slower autos right? well back then anyway

16wantsI6 · 25-10-2006, 08:42 PM

also what about some times?
what should both cars pull respectively

XR_Lightning · 25-10-2006, 08:47 PM

VN's are only about 125kw arnt they?

16wantsI6 · 25-10-2006, 08:48 PM

yeah but have aggresive diff ratios and weigh next to nothing...

Windsor220 · 25-10-2006, 08:57 PM

EA manuals can do high 15s. EB XR6 recorded 15.6 in Wheels(i think) and was supposed to be the quickest ozzy car of its day. Not sure on VN specs but can't be anything that good.

Ryan · 25-10-2006, 08:59 PM

A VN would do a high 15 low 16. To me they're still Holden's answer to the Titanic and I'm sure the Buick V6, could be dropped into the ocean in 7 seconds, because they're a boat anchor.

16wantsI6 · 25-10-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan

VNs do a mid 15 I think. To me they're still Holden's answer to the Titanic and I'm sure the Buick V6, could be dropped into the ocean in 7 seconds, because they're a boat anchor.

so your saying there as fast as a new falcon 190kw?
come on some one must have real evidence as to what they can pull?

Ryan · 25-10-2006, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 16wantsI6

so your saying there as fast as a new falcon 190kw?
come on some one must have real evidence as to what they can pull?

Changed my post mate. Sorry about that.

SVT8 · 25-10-2006, 09:05 PM

Vn's are pretty quick, a manual ea, eb or ed will take care of that. The Vn's weight about 1359kg while the falcons are over 200kg heavier depending on the model. My mate has a vn calais, its very quick! He always gives me a scare with my eb v8. They will crap all over on you at the line, though i manage to make some ground at about 70-80km and i clearly pass him by a car length at the 100km. Mind you eb v8 monts are around 1600kg. So any manual falcon should take care of your mates vn, but it will still beat a stock falcon on the line. Damm lightweight, fast 1st gear auto's.

Cespenar · 20-11-2006, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 16wantsI6

yeah but have aggresive diff ratios and weigh next to nothing...

Actally .... Vn,s all have a 3.08 diff ratio. Many Falcons have a far more agressive ratio than that. The problem is... tadaaaa... Falcons weigh 400 kilograms more.
Funny that with all that extra tin they bend just as easily though (when they hit a tree).
Last week i tried my old VN Auto Calais (diff: 3.08:1)against my 99 AU Ghia (diff:3.45:1) and geuss what, the old VN with 250,000 klm on the clock won.
There is a better thing for the really heavy Ghia though. It goes up hills better than the old Calais. So some of it is good. Ford is comfyer as well.

Ruger · 20-11-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cespenar

Actally .... Vn,s all have a 3.08 diff ratio. Many Falcons have a far more agressive ratio than that. The problem is... tadaaaa... Falcons weigh 400 kilograms more.
Funny that with all that extra tin they bend just as easily though (when they hit a tree).
Last week i tried my old VN Auto Calais (diff: 3.08:1)against my 99 AU Ghia (diff:3.45:1) and geuss what, the old VN with 250,000 klm on the clock won.
There is a better thing for the really heavy Ghia though. It goes up hills better than the old Calais. So some of it is good. Ford is comfyer as well.

have a peak at the gearbox ratios....

Cespenar · 22-11-2006, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruger

have a peak at the gearbox ratios....

Ok, I looked at the ratios and I still think all that fat is the
problem.
1stgear: 9.4248 - V6. 8.2455 - I6
2ndgear: 5.0204 - V6. 5.0025 - I6
Not much between the gears is there?
The V6 has 127kw and 288nm
The I6 has 168kw and 370nm (heaps more)
It has to be the nearly 400kilograms that drag th I6 behind the VN.

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22-11-2006, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cespenar

Ok, I looked at the ratios and I still think all that fat is the
problem.
1stgear: 9.4248 - V6. 8.2455 - I6
2ndgear: 5.0204 - V6. 5.0025 - I6
Not much between the gears is there?
The V6 has 127kw and 288nm
The I6 has 168kw and 370nm (heaps more)
It has to be the nearly 400kilograms that drag th I6 behind the VN.

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168kw?? I thought the I6 had 157fwkw?? Unless the EL XR6 had more??

So the I6 would be heaps better to tow with wouldnt it? With all that torque??

Luke

mcflux · 22-11-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cespenar

Ok, I looked at the ratios and I still think all that fat is the
problem.
1stgear: 9.4248 - V6. 8.2455 - I6
2ndgear: 5.0204 - V6. 5.0025 - I6
Not much between the gears is there?
The V6 has 127kw and 288nm
The I6 has 168kw and 370nm (heaps more)
It has to be the nearly 400kilograms that drag th I6 behind the VN.

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Erm, I'm not sure where you're going with those gear ratios. Anyhoo here are some gear ratio comparisons:

TH700
# First - 3.059
# Second - 1.625
# Third - 1.000
# Fourth - 0.696

BTR
# First - 2.39
# Second - 1.41
# Third - 1
# Fourth - 0.68

Note the huge difference between the two first gear ratios, and the considerable difference in the second gear ratios of these two autos. This is the main cause for the Falcon's slower launch.

16wantsI6 · 25-10-2006, 08:58 PM

im pretty sure street commodores got a lowest of 16.3 or something (was looking in a news agency)

Psycho Chicken · 25-10-2006, 09:02 PM

Who cares what they ran in 1988. VNs will have long rattled 50 kilos of random parts off and EAs will be 20 kilos lighter from constant decking of the head. 250,000 kms later and the engine would be lucky to make three quarters what it made from factory.

Cespenar · 25-11-2006, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Who cares what they ran in 1988. VNs will have long rattled 50 kilos of random parts off and EAs will be 20 kilos lighter from constant decking of the head. 250,000 kms later and the engine would be lucky to make three quarters what it made from factory.

Hey, the old Calais has done the 250,000 Klm with no work done to the motor and it is still as quick today as it was in 91.
Get that date folks?
Holden reduce the real grunt of the early six because it could shame the 308 with the 308 having a higher top speed, but same times to 150 odd kph.
Instead of beefing the 8 they sickened the 6.
Oh, and just to make a POINT, the crumpledor has still got full compression after doing all of 250,000klm. My bros' 96 XH has high comp to, after 180,000klm. but like all ford sixpacks, his head was iffy. I now have my VCT ghia and rue the day that the head might warp.
Some cars are good, some aren't. Lot's more old holdens around than old fords. Maybe they are put together better. I dont argue the toss. I check then speak. What everybody should do. AU ghia is STILL the comfyest!

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LUXO_8 · 25-10-2006, 09:04 PM

he couldnt beat anything with it if they arent racing him