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Old 05-03-2007, 12:42 PM   #1
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Default February's vehicle sales

Just released by FCAI. Feb sales up 8.1% compared to last year.
http://www.fcai.com.au/sales.php/2007/02/origin.html

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Old 05-03-2007, 01:35 PM   #2
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Toyota sales up 43.2% YTD!!!

"OMG.........Toyota just cannot put a foot wrong can they", that is a stunning result in anyones book.
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Old 06-03-2007, 02:38 AM   #3
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Toyota sales up 43.2% YTD!!!

"OMG.........Toyota just cannot put a foot wrong can they", that is a stunning result in anyones book.
Same result in the States, taking market share from Ford and GM
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Toyota are really starting to dominate everyone aren't they ?

The Aurion numbers are starting to look reasonable too.

Ford really need to do better with their imports (ie: Focus & Fiesta).

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Toyota locally produced is up 43%. Not sure if that includes exports, probably does though. The Arabs need more drift Camrys.
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Commodore 5,500

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Territory 1400


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Ouch !!
do ya have the rest of the model and makes breakdown?

WOuld be interesting to see what happened to the aurion
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do ya have the rest of the model and makes breakdown?

WOuld be interesting to see what happened to the aurion
Aurion 1800

Camry about 2400 I think.
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Fords getting a slight bashing, it was to be expected but with a few special release models on the way that should be rectified to some extent!
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Ford isnt doing that bad, If you took commodore and falcon sales out, it would be very close.
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Seems like Fords doing ok for now. Can only hope it gets better in the future.
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Yeah whats last years month total like for falcon?

At the moment Ford dont need to sell quite as much as Holden to be making money.
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Yeah whats last years month total like for falcon?

At the moment Ford dont need to sell quite as much as Holden to be making money.
The stats say they are down 1697 cars from Feb 06. Overall down 18% on the first two months compared to last year. Holden is down nearly 8% in the same time frame. Toyota is up an incredible 43% and even Mitsuibishi have managed to turn things around with a 7% improvement this year.

Ford and Holden are the big losers in the local market at the moment.

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Both the Falcon and the Territory are up by about 50% compared to January!
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Yeah whats last years month total like for falcon?

At the moment Ford dont need to sell quite as much as Holden to be making money.

hmm??

That doesnt make sense, regardless of where your at with a model / new model launches you need income to fund future projects and stay viable.
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Old 05-03-2007, 07:01 PM   #16
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New Vehicle Sales by Marque
Month YTD Variance +/- Vol. & %
Total Market 2007 2006 2007 2006 MTH YTD MTH YTD
Alfa Romeo 152 124 295 232 28 63 22.6% 27.2%
Aston Martin 24 15 44 22 9 22 60.0% 100.0%
Audi 608 446 1,311 908 162 403 36.3% 44.4%
Bentley 10 10 26 30 0 -4 0.0% -13.3%
BMW 1,283 1,245 2,489 2,576 38 -87 3.1% -3.4%
Chrysler 279 280 561 572 -1 -11 -0.4% -1.9%
Citroen 301 272 532 513 29 19 10.7% 3.7%
Daihatsu 0 23 0 93 -23 -93 -100.0% -100.0%
Dodge 59 0 129 0 59 129 - -
Ferrari 19 11 33 22 8 11 72.7% 50.0%
Fiat 132 61 236 94 71 142 116.4% 151.1%
Ford 9,110 10,426 16,611 17,861 -1,316 -1,250 -12.6% -7.0%
Holden 13,083 13,305 24,341 24,808 -222 -467 -1.7% -1.9%
Honda 4,357 3,484 9,792 8,235 873 1,557 25.1% 18.9%
Hyundai 3,078 3,959 6,145 7,554 -881 -1,409 -22.3% -18.7%
Jaguar 65 64 115 136 1 -21 1.6% -15.4%
Jeep 418 395 828 712 23 116 5.8% 16.3%
Kia 1,513 1,581 2,989 3,143 -68 -154 -4.3% -4.9%
Lamborghini 10 6 10 6 4 4 66.7% 66.7%
Land Rover 266 330 482 655 -64 -173 -19.4% -26.4%
Lexus 607 509 1,142 965 98 177 19.3% 18.3%
Lotus 7 3 15 4 4 11 133.3% 275.0%
Maserati 6 8 21 23 -2 -2 -25.0% -8.7%
Mazda 6,365 5,481 12,992 10,865 884 2,127 16.1% 19.6%
Mercedes-Benz 1,421 1,430 2,915 2,753 -9 162 -0.6% 5.9%
MINI 126 166 303 315 -40 -12 -24.1% -3.8%
Mitsubishi 5,066 4,330 9,620 7,922 736 1,698 17.0% 21.4%
Morgan 0 0 1 0 0 1 - -
Nissan 5,947 3,963 11,032 8,028 1,984 3,004 50.1% 37.4%
Peugeot 805 678 1,510 1,431 127 79 18.7% 5.5%
Porsche 63 135 209 291 -72 -82 -53.3% -28.2%
Proton 186 159 379 274 27 105 17.0% 38.3%
Renault 245 239 434 502 6 -68 2.5% -13.5%
Rolls-Royce 1 0 1 0 1 1 - -
Saab 113 96 272 272 17 0 17.7% 0.0%
Smart 31 39 67 151 -8 -84 -20.5% -55.6%
Ssangyong 236 170 415 381 66 34 38.8% 8.9%
Subaru 2,848 3,160 5,945 5,871 -312 74 -9.9% 1.3%
Suzuki 1,837 1,215 3,115 2,343 622 772 51.2% 32.9%
Toyota 18,602 16,173 34,840 30,556 2,429 4,284 15.0% 14.0%
Volkswagen 2,078 1,380 4,112 2,507 698 1,605 50.6% 64.0%
Volvo Car 336 290 669 584 46 85 15.9% 14.6%
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Ford 9,110 10,426 16,611 17,861 -1,316 -1,250 -12.6% -7.0%
Holden 13,083 13,305 24,341 24,808 -222 -467 -1.7% -1.9%
Ford down 7% - that can't be good.

Holden down also.
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It looks like toyota is fast becoming a kind of monopoly, the main reason why i tend to stay away from purchasing from too successful businesses
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Toyota have a good reputation for reliably and a good build quality in there cars along with competitive pricing they are earning there stripes.
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Toyota have a good reputation for reliably and a good build quality in there cars along with competitive pricing they are earning there stripes.
No doubt, they make very good cars, i'm not denying that. Its the fact that competition is a good thing to have.
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I think Toyotas success has to do with the fact that they have a good history as mentioned above, but also because 90% of there cars are very efficient.
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Toyota have done well, good on them, not sure on the quality of components through, went for a spin in an aurion on the weekend and it was pretty bad, the interior was really flimsy as was the external door seals. I thought it was just the one i was in but all of them were like that. Even my BA (made from plastic rubbish bins) felt a lot better.

But hey no one is complaining and it seems no one cares. Well now Ford and Holden need to play the big catchup game.
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Toyota aren't immune from reliability problems.

Recently settling out of court in America recently to the tune of about $1B due to engine blowups/failures.

They have now vowed to readdress quality after several years where it has been on the decline whilst focus has been on growing international sales.

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Toyota's U.S. head says recalls were wake-up call

By James B. Kelleher Thu Feb 8, 5:36 PM ET

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp.'s (7203.T) North American chief said on Thursday that the product recalls the automaker suffered in recent years had shaken the company and that it was now determined to widen the margin by which its cars outperform U.S. rivals in industry performance surveys.
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Speaking at the Chicago Auto Show, Jim Press, the president of Toyota Motor North America, disputed the notion that Japanese cars' once considerable lead in reliability and quality over American cars was a thing of the past.

"I think there's some hope that the gap in quality is closing," Press said. "But it really isn't."

He said that recalls of Toyota cars and trucks, which spiked between 2003 to 2005, had "scared us to the point where we're re-energized on quality and you're going to see continuing bigger efforts to actually make the margin and the gap bigger."

Toyota Motor North America President James Press speaks during the Chicago Auto Show February 8, 2007. (John Gress/Reuters)
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http://www.autospies.com/images/user...e%20sludge.JPG

Sludge smudges Toyota

Engine problem is latest issue to dent automaker's reputation

Christine Tierney / The Detroit News

His case mushroomed into a class-action suit representing prior and current owners of nearly 4 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles that may have suffered engine damage due to thickening oil, or sludge. It can accumulate and deprive the engine of necessary lubrication.

The settlement covers certain model years between 1997 and 2002 for the Toyota Camry, Solara, Avalon, Celica, and Lexus ES300 cars, and the RX300 and Highlander SUVs. The settlement amount "is tailored to what your damages are," Gambel said.

Toyota does not expect the rate at which customers are coming in for engine repairs in those vehicles or for compensation to change as a result of the settlement, Dominicis said.

Toyota remains among the quality leaders by any measure, but some question whether it can continue to grow rapidly and maintain top standards. Its sales targets suggest Toyota may overtake General Motors Corp. to become the world's No. 1 automaker this year.

In a recent interview, Yuki Funo, Toyota's highest-level U.S. Toyota executive, said he thought Toyota had "come through the worst period."

He noted that the company's U.S. recalls were lower last year than in 2005. "We are on the right track to get our arms around this issue, and I think we should see better signs in the future," Funo said.

Most experts say it takes years for brands to lose -- and restore -- their reputations.

"The sludge issue was a significant blow," said Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research Inc. in Bandon, Ore. "Toyota's in the position that GM was in back in the 1970s. A lot of people were buying GM products in the '70s because they were GM products, but they had fractures at the edges. It took 15 years before GM started to suffer from that long-term negative word-of-mouth."

At Toyota, he said, "it's going to hurt them if they don't turn it around."
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Yeah but I think that we're in a different market here....

Smaller, much more competitive, & Toyota seem to have worked our market out.
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Anyone have a break down of how the sales go down to each model?
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Anyone have a break down of how the sales go down to each model?
From the end of this article.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...943356714.html

TOP 10 SELLERS FEBRUARY 2007

1. Commodore 5544

2. Corolla 3591

3. Falcon 3086

4. Mazda3 3014

5. Camry 2530

6. Yaris 2512

7. Aurion 1817

8. Astra 1767

9. Civic 1641

10. Lancer 1590
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From the end of this article.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...943356714.html

TOP 10 SELLERS FEBRUARY 2007

1. Commodore 5544

2. Corolla 3591

3. Falcon 3086

4. Mazda3 3014

5. Camry 2530

6. Yaris 2512

7. Aurion 1817

8. Astra 1767

9. Civic 1641

10. Lancer 1590
Corolla & Mazda 3 are doing well aren't they ?

Focus should do much better. It's all about brand image I think !!
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Aurion/Camry are doing very well. If we follow Tom Gorman's advice that the Aurion is just a V6 Camry, if we combine both the Aurion and Camry figures its number 2 on the list - and outsold falcon.
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Focus needs to do much better. It is a quality car but simply doesn't seem to be on the radar of too many people.
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