New Chinese Van - LDV Deliver 9

[Franco Cozzo]

Check out this thing, it's a very nice looking van.

https://www.trucksales.com.au/editor...liver-9-126788

Looks like it's Mercedes Sprinter sized, sub $40K DA

https://www.trucksales.com.au/items/...a-fc7f4f9bb307

[Citroënbender]

Is 175000 a short or long warranty for a commercial van that size?

[Polyal]

You are a hard man to follow, jihad against "Thai" utes but lover of Chinese Pedo Vans?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Polyal

You are a hard man to follow, jihad against "Thai" utes but lover of Chinese Pedo Vans?

Holy war against Thailand Specials

[XRtowcar]

We’ll need a lot of Chinese vans to carry all the exports China are banning from Australia, to take them back home from the docks.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by XRtowcar

We’ll need a lot of Chinese vans to carry all the exports China are banning from Australia, to take them back home from the docks.

The problem is the containers are on Chinese ports...so we'll need ships and vans....

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

The problem is the containers are on Chinese ports...so we'll need ships and vans....

problem is , they tag "contaminatin" they can "distroy/dispose" of the stuff prier to any investigation , contaminated or not , un payed for

[whitelion65]

I'd say the lobsters and the wine would have to be extensively "tested"!

[DMXR6T]

Be careful of some Chinese vehicles. Friend has car dealership in country and traded LDV - 20,000K and not running (was cheap). Could not get it going and LDV dealer said it was worthless, no parts. "Cheap" purchase price might cost a lot more in the long run.

[Ben73]

Yuk. Give me a Thai billycart over this any day. At least the ccp won't get a cut.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DMXR6T

Be careful of some Chinese vehicles. Friend has car dealership in country and traded LDV - 20,000K and not running (was cheap). Could not get it going and LDV dealer said it was worthless, no parts. "Cheap" purchase price might cost a lot more in the long run.

There's a lot of the previous model LDV V80 running around Melbourne and Sydney doing courier work.

To put it into perspective this is what the Deliver 9's predecessor looks like (V80):



Deliver 9:



Huge step up in looks thats for sure, its a good looking van in a white goods market, how it stands up to the test of time, no one knows but its half the cost of a Mercedes Sprinter which is the pinnacle of that market.

Review below

https://www.carsguide.com.au/tradies...eliver-9-81248

Important part:

TLDR:

- Cheap
- Goes OK
- Looks alright
- Nice to drive
- Torque converter auto

Hardly anybody chooses a van like this as a daily driver. Unless they are looking for a van to convert to a camper, or if they just like vans (I get it).

But the surprising thing to me is that the Deliver 9 is surprisingly easy to drive, so just about anyone could easily slide in behind the steering wheel and get where they need to go. They might even enjoy themselves while doing it.

That’s because the Deliver 9 is really quite well sorted in terms of its driving manners when unladen. I did several hundred kilometres in this vehicle without weight in the cargo area, and was impressed by many attributes of the drive experience. I’ve driven all the vans in this segment, and the LDV drives as good as any of them, and no worse than any of them.

The ride comfort and compliance was very good, only ever getting upset over large potholes, but never feeling skittish or lumpy in the way it coped with bumps. It runs a Macpherson strut front suspension setup and leaf springs at the rear, and while it hasn’t been tuned for local conditions, it handled the ones we put it through just fine.

The hydraulic power steering is decently weighted and easy to judge, with decent feel through the wheel, too. You might notice the steering wheel jostling in your hands more than some of its rivals, but it’s never violent.

The engine is urgent enough in its response, with decent pulling power from a standstill and even the engine’s start-stop system didn’t interrupt the drive experience too much. In traffic it cut the engine at a stop, and rapidly restarted and was ready to go as soon as brake pedal pressure was let off.

The six-speed automatic fitted standard to this size of van was well behaved, too. The shifts were smooth and smart, with a good logic to the way the gearbox behaved up hills, on the open road, and around town. It even managed hill descents easily, holding gears and allowing a level of engine braking.

All told, the daily driver experience was really good. For a vehicle of this size, it really has that “shrinks around you” feel to it.
What’s it like for tradie use?

Not for the first time, we hit up our mates at IWP Training - a heavy lifting and forklift training specialist south of Wollongong - to load up.

The payload limit for this particular test van is 1640 kilograms, and we put in 1400kg of mixed items (a steel girder on a pallet, and a pallet with a cage of chain and steel rope) in the back.

The load-in process was a bit tight on the kerbside door, with the side door measurement (1269mm) just allowing enough room for the pallet (1165mm) with some overhang. The masts of the forklift as well as short tines made this a bit more difficult than it otherwise would be. No issues with side clearance height-wise, as there’s 1570mm to play with.

The rear barn doors were open to the full 180-degree stretch - though I would warn that unlike some other vans, the hinges aren’t as failsafe (there is no locked two-stage opening sequence) and if you’re in a narrow driveway the door could easily swing in a gust of wind. Just be mindful of that.

But we opened it all the way up, exposing a 1570mm wide and 1656mm tall gap to make use of. Plenty of space, there, and with 1792mm of standing room in the cargo area, it’s too hunched a job to secure the load down using the eight in-built lashing points (which were pretty well located for a task like this).

The fact the Deliver 9 comes with a decent vinyl flooring which even covers the wheel-arches was noted as a positive, as was the sound-absorbing lining panels on the inside of the cargo area, and the LED lighting, too.

All told, the mass we added was a lot, but the van didn’t show it. The body only dropped about 70mm at the rear, and the front didn’t do the praying mantis pose, either.

On the road, the Deliver 9 really, er, delivered. It was still well sorted with the weight when it came to the ride, and even managed to iron out some of the smaller inconsistencies in the road surface thanks to the additional mass.

The steering was accurate and easy to judge, and aside from some road noise and the ping-ping-ping of rain on the roof and windscreen (and a bit of a hum from the rear wheel-arches when the road was wet), it was easy progress for the LDV.

The engine felt up to it, despite not being a powerhouse based on the engine specs. That said, a lot of diesel engines like this feel best when they’re made to work, and the 2.0-litre turbo-diesel unit still offered decent progress and power when required. Again, the six-speed auto was mostly good, but we did notice that it could get a little confused with mass on board, shifting with a bit more of a haphazard resolve under light-to-mid throttle.

One thing we would suggest buyers take note of is the brake pedal feel. It’s quite wooden and needs a bit of pressure, particularly when loaded, and it just means you might need to reconsider your stopping distances, as the reaction from the four-wheel discs (308mm ventilated discs with twin-piston front calipers, 304mm solid disc single-pistons at the rear) was a little lacking.

It was all or nothing for us in terms of load testing, but it might have been a different story had we only had 700kg on board. Even so, with 1400kg (plus your 85kg reviewer) the Deliver 9 was commendable in its performance.

P.S - I hate Thailand Specials, have a soft spot for vans though.

Van > Ute (except Falcon/Commodore ute or American ones)

[Citroënbender]

It sounds like the barn doors are going to be in for revision sooner than later, if I read correctly. No two stage opening.

[roKWiz]

Chinese crap. Let it rust on the wharves. tit for tat style.

[kevino]

Boats already sailed.
LDV G10 outsold Transit in October.
So many buyers just buy on price.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by kevino

Boats already sailed.
LDV G10 outsold Transit in October.
So many buyers just buy on price.

Transit is 10-12k more.

A van is quite a simple vehicle when you think about it. A metal box with minimal internal fit out and much less complexity to build.

$52k for a base model Transit? Perhaps they could have proced them a little lower and not lost the sales but it seems they are going thecsane route as the Focus, Mazda 3, Yaris etc and pricing their base models at a premium in the hope of more profit per unit rather than more volume at less profit.

Perhaps the new Chinese van is priced right and the competition is way overpriced?

Look at what $52k can buy you in the passenger segment then ask yourself what justifies a van demanding the same coin?

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[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Transit is 10-12k more.

A van is quite a simple vehicle when you think about it. A metal box with minimal internal fit out and much less complexity to build.

$52k for a base model Transit? Perhaps they could have proced them a little lower and not lost the sales but it seems they are going thecsane route as the Focus, Mazda 3, Yaris etc and pricing their base models at a premium in the hope of more profit per unit rather than more volume at less profit.

Perhaps the new Chinese van is priced right and the competition is way overpriced?

Look at what $52k can buy you in the passenger segment then ask yourself what justifies a van demanding the same coin?

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I did my apprenticeship doing emergency vehicles between 2010-2014 so I turned a lot of spanners on vans, mostly new Mercedes Sprinter, but a lot of Ford Transit, Toyota Hiace, Renault Master and VW Transporter. I've pulled them all down as new vehicles and done electrical and furniture fitout to turn them into emergency vehicles.

The last Transit I worked on was the previous model and it was an absolute **** heap with the build quality, cheap and nasty and sharp edges inside everywhere waiting to slice you and the insulation on your wires right up

Might as well as been a Chinese van, plus they had this odd twin battery setup going under one of the seats, sharp edges everywhere and no oversight for aftermarket electrical fitout like the Sprinter and Hiace both have.

I haven't had a chance to get my hands on any of these Chinese ones or the current model Transit but the VM was absolute junk.

Be curious to see what a VM Transit sold for new compared to the current model, I don't think they were close to $52K.

G10 and Deliver 9 have caught my eye, G10 mostly because there's a 2L turbo petrol option which is an outlier in the segment, 165KW/330NM.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/373372/ldv-g10-review/

As far as value for money goes these vehicles are bought, have the wheels driven off then flogged off and repeat, there's your $12K less.

If your work deals with a lot of freight, go have a chat to your courier next time he pops in, they love talking about their vans and what their colleagues have and what problems they've experienced

[hayseed]

They're just Chinese built versions of the Old Leyland Daf Van(LDV) that were built in England by various entities, Until they went Broke one time Too Many & the Chinese ended up with them...

[hayseed]

https://www.drive.com.au/new-car-rev...trackLink=SMH1

[Franco Cozzo]

CCP has fired a shot across the bow in the LCV sector - this thing looks mint.

[nstg8a]

Sub 50k for a high roof long wheel,base...that’s bloody decent.


If I buy one I wonder if that will earn me some points when our ccp overlords take control?

[smoo]

What’s the go with this Chinese stuff...
This looks like a Fiat Ducato with a different front end and interior. The smaller LDV van similar size to the Hyundai also looks like the Fiat version. The previous LDV looks like it is based of the old Transit from the 1990’s-2000s.
Same deal with Great Wall and old RA Rodeo.
The small Chinese trucks on market are an old Isuzu N Series cab. Don’t know about the Chassis.
The larger Chinese trucks Sinotruk look to be MAN and some appear to use Volvo FH and FL cabs (unsure of chassis and driveline).
Cherry look like they have used the old rav4 and some fiat models in a similar way.
New MGs have a lot of VW tech in them.

Are the established global brands selling their old tooling or come to a deal by supplying these Chinese brands with bodies/chassis/tech while they are gaining a foothold in markets across the world.
If this is based off a Fiat, like the previous one based off an old Transit, how many sales will this steal from Fiat/Ford in markets across the globe where these Chinese brands are gaining traction. Seems like the global brands cutting a deal in this way are signing their own death warrant?

[Franco Cozzo]

The LDV G10 has VAG switchgear in it so I'd say it's likely that VAG is having it's componentry made in China and the company is selling it to local manufacturers too.

The Chinese copy of the Honeywell 'Hobbs' type pressure switches are actually superior to the real deal

Lefoo LF20

https://www.lefoo.com/products/lf20-...ch-0-5-150-psi

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The LDV G10 has VAG switchgear in it so I'd say it's likely that VAG is having it's componentry made in China and the company is selling it to local manufacturers too.

The Chinese copy of the Honeywell 'Hobbs' type pressure switches are actually superior to the real deal

Lefoo LF20

https://www.lefoo.com/products/lf20-...ch-0-5-150-psi

Hah. New Kenworths still come out with those archaic things and replace them often. At around $120 not the cheapest.

Be interesting to see the state of Euro auto manufacturing in decades to come. Their change in demographics more resembling the third world, aging native population with the younger ones having anti innovation socialist leanings and their engineers/designers/tech being bought by the Chinese and Koreans.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by smoo

What’s the go with this Chinese stuff...
This looks like a Fiat Ducato with a different front end and interior. The smaller LDV van similar size to the Hyundai also looks like the Fiat version. The previous LDV looks like it is based of the old Transit from the 1990’s-2000s.
Same deal with Great Wall and old RA Rodeo.
The small Chinese trucks on market are an old Isuzu N Series cab. Don’t know about the Chassis.
The larger Chinese trucks Sinotruk look to be MAN and some appear to use Volvo FH and FL cabs (unsure of chassis and driveline).
Cherry look like they have used the old rav4 and some fiat models in a similar way.
New MGs have a lot of VW tech in them.

Are the established global brands selling their old tooling or come to a deal by supplying these Chinese brands with bodies/chassis/tech while they are gaining a foothold in markets across the world.
If this is based off a Fiat, like the previous one based off an old Transit, how many sales will this steal from Fiat/Ford in markets across the globe where these Chinese brands are gaining traction. Seems like the global brands cutting a deal in this way are signing their own death warrant?

It is interesting that you mention that. It seems very few of these things start with a "fresh sheet of paper", most are based on older designs. But remember that's how the Japanese & Korean industries began.

They are not selling these things based on the latest design cues, they are selling on price, price & price.

The acronym "LDV" is for Leyland DAF Van, there is something for the history buffs.

Dr Terry

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

It is interesting that you mention that. It seems very few of these things start with a "fresh sheet of paper", most are based on older designs. But remember that's how the Japanese & Korean industries began.

They are not selling these things based on the latest design cues, they are selling on price, price & price.

The acronym "LDV" is for Leyland DAF Van, there is something for the history buffs.

Dr Terry

Weren’t early Hyundai’s based on Mitsubishi’s?
Look at the two now. Hyundai are trumping Mitsubishi, and Mitsubishi have posted losses for the past two years. Probably due to the fact their stuff is cheap nasty garbage, but no doubt Hyundai have taken away hundred of thousands of sales from them over the years.

I was thinking more of the arrangement like the Morris Oxford being sold to India back in the 1950s for them to reassemble/rebadge but that was a fully domestic product. The Poms would have never seen that as a threat.

Now the Chinese makers have deals going with Fiat Isuzu (?) etc while competing in the same market. It would be ironic if these cannibalised Fiat Ducato sales to a point where Fiat saw no point in bothering with this market (probably not a major considering Ducatos are sold all over Europe and North America, and our market will be a drop in the ocean, but could be a sign of things to come on a grander scale).

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by smoo

What’s the go with this Chinese stuff...
This looks like a Fiat Ducato with a different front end and interior. The smaller LDV van similar size to the Hyundai also looks like the Fiat version. The previous LDV looks like it is based of the old Transit from the 1990’s-2000s.
Same deal with Great Wall and old RA Rodeo.
The small Chinese trucks on market are an old Isuzu N Series cab. Don’t know about the Chassis.
The larger Chinese trucks Sinotruk look to be MAN and some appear to use Volvo FH and FL cabs (unsure of chassis and driveline).
Cherry look like they have used the old rav4 and some fiat models in a similar way.
New MGs have a lot of VW tech in them.

Are the established global brands selling their old tooling or come to a deal by supplying these Chinese brands with bodies/chassis/tech while they are gaining a foothold in markets across the world.
If this is based off a Fiat, like the previous one based off an old Transit, how many sales will this steal from Fiat/Ford in markets across the globe where these Chinese brands are gaining traction. Seems like the global brands cutting a deal in this way are signing their own death warrant?

SAIC (MG/LDV) have partnerships with VAG and GM in China, as they build their vehicles there. It’s no accident you’ll see bits of each in their models. The MG ZS and ZST have 1.0T and 1.3T engines codeveloped with GM, the new gen Trax has these in other parts of the world.
In AU I see MG as the new Holden, with the same crap reliability, although their price points are sharp, time will tell though.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by smoo

Weren’t early Hyundai’s based on Mitsubishi’s?
Look at the two now. Hyundai are trumping Mitsubishi, and Mitsubishi have posted losses for the past two years. Probably due to the fact their stuff is cheap nasty garbage, but no doubt Hyundai have taken away hundred of thousands of sales from them over the years.

Yes, both Hyundai & Proton were Mitsubishi based & Kia was Mazda based. Daewoo was Opel/Vauxhall based.

Earlier in Japan, Nissan used a lot of Austin designs, Isuzu used Hillman & Toyota used Chev & others.

You could say in my lifetime that the Japanese car industry beat the English at their own game, of course the Poms didn't manage it too well.

Dr Terry

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Yes, both Hyundai & Proton were Mitsubishi based & Kia was Mazda based. Daewoo was Opel/Vauxhall based.



Earlier in Japan, Nissan used a lot of Austin designs, Isuzu used Hillman & Toyota used Chev & others.



You could say in my lifetime that the Japanese car industry beat the English at their own game, of course the Poms didn't manage it too well.



Dr Terry

Actually....

The models that got Hyundai going were supplied by Ford if memory serves..

Yep, from Wikipedia:

Chung Ju-Yung*founded the*Hyundai Engineering and Construction Company*in 1947. Hyundai Motor Company was later established in 1967, and the company's first model, the*Cortina, was released in cooperation with*Ford Motor Company*in 1968.[12]*When Hyundai wanted to develop their own car, they hired*George Turnbull*in February 1974, the former Managing Director of Austin Morris at*British Leyland. He in turn hired five other top British car engineers. They were Kenneth Barnett body design, engineers John Simpson and Edward Chapman,*John Crosthwaite*ex-BRM*as chassis engineer and Peter Slater as chief development engineer.[13][14][15][16]*In 1975, the*Pony, the first South Korean car, was released, with styling by Giorgio Giugiaro of*ItalDesign*and powertrain technology provided by Japan's*Mitsubishi Motors. Exports began in the following year to Ecuador and soon thereafter to the*Benelux countries. Hyundai entered the British market in 1982, selling 2993 cars in their first year there.[17]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Motor_Company

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[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Actually....

The models that got Hyundai going were supplied by Ford if memory serves..

Yep, from Wikipedia:

Chung Ju-Yung*founded the*Hyundai Engineering and Construction Company*in 1947. Hyundai Motor Company was later established in 1967, and the company's first model, the*Cortina, was released in cooperation with*Ford Motor Company*in 1968.[12]*When Hyundai wanted to develop their own car, they hired*George Turnbull*in February 1974, the former Managing Director of Austin Morris at*British Leyland. He in turn hired five other top British car engineers. They were Kenneth Barnett body design, engineers John Simpson and Edward Chapman,*John Crosthwaite*ex-BRM*as chassis engineer and Peter Slater as chief development engineer.[13][14][15][16]*In 1975, the*Pony, the first South Korean car, was released, with styling by Giorgio Giugiaro of*ItalDesign*and powertrain technology provided by Japan's*Mitsubishi Motors. Exports began in the following year to Ecuador and soon thereafter to the*Benelux countries. Hyundai entered the British market in 1982, selling 2993 cars in their first year there.[17]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Motor_Company

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True, but their first "successful" export car & the first that UK, US or Aussie buyers would see was the Excel X1 (Pony on the Korean market) during the 80s.

Dr Terry