2015 Holden Cruze Jan 20....

[Nikked]

Holden didn't design the cruse






And see post #21...

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by tempted

My comment was directed at csv8. I didn't say the i20 was a Cruze competitor.

IMO Ford screwed up the front of the Falcon just as bad if not worse than Holden has done with the Cruze.

Unfortunately this is what we are left with now that Ford and GM HQ want all their cars around the world to look the same and are dictating and pulling all the strings.

The Fords look fine the Cruze looks like Rubbish !

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

The Fords look fine the Cruze looks like Rubbish !

Yep, and I'm 'Tempted' to run a poll on who would be more 'tempted' to bash their head on a brick wall. I'm 'Tempted' to think only one person on the planet thinks the FGx range looks worse then the new cruze.

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Correct.
The 1.4T remained as a low cost option on the base car.
Fleet sales would be the reason for the ancient 1.8 being retained over the 1.4T

Yes, the base models retained the 1.4 turbo option as it is more efficient over the 1.8 slug.
My work car is the 1.4 turbo and while the weather is cool it drives well, but as the temp climbs into the mid 30s, the throttle response slowly disappears, the ac disengages intermittently blowing warm air, and the whole experience disintegrates into a shuddery, jerky mess, then of course, the car performs poorly too

[duaned]

Just waiting to see if this debate turns out to be a Hulk Thread with a poll this Friday!

[UKXR8]

That thing is FUGLY!!!!!

[Vormund]

Yeah the current Cruze (first facelift and built here) craps all over this monstrosity.

The Aussie designers managed to make it look somewhat half decent......

[AuFairlaneV8]

Originally Posted by fordboi

No diesel ?!? The people that make these decisions (Ford as well) are seriously clueless !

Some horror stories about diesels are probably keeping many away, a friend was recently quoted somewhere near 8k for particle filter for mazda 3

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by tempted

Thanks for pointing out the bleeding obvious.

What I was trying to say was that where Holden and Ford once had the freedom to style there cars uniquely for the Australian market, they are now being forced to adopt the same corporate styling as used by other markets. Eg. GM made Holden stick the US front end on the Cruze... Ford was made to put the Fusion/Mondeo front on the fgx Falcon etc.

Rubbish. Look back through all Falcon and Commodore designs. They were ALWAYS global.

Aside from the obvious Falcons in the beginning, you had the XB that looked exactly like a Mustang, The XD was a bigger Granada, The EA was influenced by the Ford Scorpio. I could go on and on and on. Even moreso with the history of the Commodore.

They have always been global.

We have shown you photos in the past but you still persist with your agenda.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by P6LTD351

Rubbish. Look back through all Falcon and Commodore designs. They were ALWAYS global.

Aside from the obvious Falcons in the beginning, you had the XB that looked exactly like a Mustang, The XD was a bigger Granada, The EA was influenced by the Ford Scorpio. I could go on and on and on. Even moreso with the history of the Commodore.

They have always been global.

We have shown you photos in the past but you still persist with your agenda.

Bang your head against a brick wall, same effect. Just doesn't listen.

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by tempted

You're the one either not listening or deliberately twisting what I am trying to say.
Yes, Aussie cars always had a global influence and used global design elements, but the local designers were allowed to modify them into a unique version to suit local tastes.
They are now being forced to use the exact same styling as overseas versions - the front of the Cruze has been brought into line with the US version, with no unique local styling apart from the badge.

You are either thick as a brick or just being deliberately argumentative, so if that doesn't explain it for you then I give up.

The Cruze is a poor example!!! It was ALWAYS a global car!!!

What about the 1991 Ford Laser? You can find the same car in the US, bar a couple of cosmetic changes. It was the Escort. It was global. This is not a new thing.

They are not being "forced" to do anything. They are an American company doing what they have always done.

Embrace it.

Love it.

Ford Forever.

[1TUFFUTE]

Maybe they're just taking the opportunity to smooth the global car architecture into the last local model so the sheep don't complain so much we only get to drive American or euro cars?... We all know that's NOT what's happening, but if they hadn't already been doing it for 60 years my bet is that is what they'd do.......

[Nikked]

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by tempted

You're the one either not listening or deliberately twisting what I am trying to say.
Yes, Aussie cars always had a global influence and used global design elements, but the local designers were allowed to modify them into a unique version to suit local tastes.
They are now being forced to use the exact same styling as overseas versions - the front of the Cruze has been brought into line with the US version, with no unique local styling apart from the badge.

You are either thick as a brick or just being deliberately argumentative, so if that doesn't explain it for you then I give up.

Well, our Cruze is exactly the same as foreign ones so it stands to reason that it would pick up rolling changes from other markets.

[danzvtil]

I have been given one of these updates to drive while my work cruze is in getting the transmission repaired under warranty. Its a White Equipe with the 1.8l, appraisal car, the fleet manager is trying to get my company to upgrade :(
The interior is identical bar the mylink screen, its got 17s styled to look like 16s, the 1.8 is sluggish when compared to the 1.4 turbo and is noisier, and the front......the styling that has been seen cannot be unseen UGH!
Im hoping they choose another brand of car, as our 3 are only 2.5 years old and are starting to have problems requiring warranty work.

[fgpsi]

They're a **** of a car

[BAWITHLOT]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

They're a **** of a car

So you own one? I would think not

I have a 2014 model luckily, It goes ok and handles like it is on rails. You can get a 20FWKW increase with an edit, but trying to work out warranty issues first.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

I have been given one of these updates to drive while my work cruze is in getting the transmission repaired under warranty. Its a White Equipe with the 1.8l, appraisal car, the fleet manager is trying to get my company to upgrade :(
The interior is identical bar the mylink screen, its got 17s styled to look like 16s, the 1.8 is sluggish when compared to the 1.4 turbo and is noisier, and the front......the styling that has been seen cannot be unseen UGH!
Im hoping they choose another brand of car, as our 3 are only 2.5 years old and are starting to have problems requiring warranty work.

Transmission failures are becoming like a plague. Holden are replacing them on the quiet, and asking owners to sign confidentiality agreements. They are having big problems with this. There is some sort of manufacturing fault that is causing them to fail at very low k's, most under 40,000.

[BAWITHLOT]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Transmission failures are becoming like a plague. Holden are replacing them on the quiet, and asking owners to sign confidentiality agreements. They are having big problems with this. There is some sort of manufacturing fault that is causing them to fail at very low k's, most under 40,000.

manual or automatic?

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by BAWITHLOT

manual or automatic?

Auto.
The service guy at holden openly told me that his dealer has done plenty of cruze transmissions he prided himself on it being a "high turnover service department"
The fleet manager who used to run a service dept said about 20% of the turbos had water pumps replaced, as they were originally designed for Europe and not our extreme heat.
My colleagues cruze has a coolant leak on the block that our mech said needs attention asap before warranty runs out.
Standing in the service dept was a BRAND NEW 1.8 cruze on the hoist with the ENTIRE engine out.
This crap reminds me of EA Falcon days......

[XR Martin]

Sure you arnt thinking of VW

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Transmission failures are becoming like a plague. Holden are replacing them on the quiet, and asking owners to sign confidentiality agreements. They are having big problems with this. There is some sort of manufacturing fault that is causing them to fail at very low k's, most under 40,000.

Asking owners to sign confidentiality agreements seems a little far fetched to me. If these failures are happening <40,000km, then the vast majority of these fixes would take place during the warranty period. I can't see a dealer whipping out a confidentiality agreement for a warranty repair. If the repair was performed outside of the warranty period and ACL consumer guarantees (Motor Dealers and Repairers Act 2013) did not apply, then I guess they could, technically. But with most being low kay failures, it seems mighty far fetched for them to be silencing masses of Cruze owners with legal docs. Wild if true, though.

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by BAWITHLOT

So you own one? I would think not

I have a 2014 model luckily, It goes ok and handles like it is on rails. You can get a 20FWKW increase with an edit, but trying to work out warranty issues first.

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I think that second image just broke my computer screen

[BAWITHLOT]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

I think that second image just broke my computer screen

You still never answered my question or has Hulk been inspiring you?

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by BAWITHLOT

You still never answered my question or has Hulk been inspiring you?

Yeah driven one. They're a hunk of GM junk

[kaniSS]

Who in their right mind would buy one of these??

[BAWITHLOT]

guessing you have never owned one either!

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by BAWITHLOT

guessing you have never owned one either!

My sister has and it is crap !

She and her husband hate it.

[BAWITHLOT]

is it the 1.6T manual and newer than 2013?

The diesels, 1.8 and autos have heaps of issues which is why Service Departments call them a Holden Curse. I read heaps about them before I bought mine and it would read that the 2013 1.6T model was vastly improved over the earlier models. However the earlier model stigma is being attached by you guys to the current model!

[burnz]

Originally Posted by BAWITHLOT

is it the 1.6T manual and newer than 2013?

The diesels, 1.8 and autos have heaps of issues which is why Service Departments call them a Holden Curse. I read heaps about them before I bought mine and it would read that the 2013 1.6T model was vastly improved over the earlier models. However the earlier model stigma is being attached by you guys to the current model!

I have a 2010 diesel, never had a problem in it's 265,000k life.

not one dealer trip, nada...