Vfacts March

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by prydey

No diesel Escape and hybrid is coming. Spec levels are well in favour of escape at each price point.

If you check, Ford PR didn’t actually say no to the Hybrid Escape,
my guess is that Europe has so turned against diesels that Ford
is now scrambling to deliver all sorts of hybrids there and as a
consequence, they have nothing spare to give us, not now anyway..

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Yep, I should have bought the 2020.75MY Vignale the dealer had back in Dec, wife wanted red and this was metallic grey so placed an order ...and that one would have still had paddle shifters, heated steering wheel and heated rear seats and even had 20" wheels...

The dealer I bought mine off has a demo red vignale. Not sure on kms. Not sure about the heated wheel and seats but still had paddle shifters.

Shame you aren't in SA.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by jpd80

If you check, Ford PR didn’t actually say no to the Hybrid Escape,
my guess is that Europe has so turned against diesels that Ford
is now scrambling to deliver all sorts of hybrids there and as a
consequence, they have nothing spare to give us, not now anyway..

Reality is, we are an insignificant little island.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by prydey

Reality is, we are an insignificant little island.

Down the pecking order yes, but once there’s a RHD hybrid Kuta/Escape,
I’m pretty sure that Ford will have orders in, RAV4 hybrid shows the way
and makes the business case for Escape hybrid to compete.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by prydey

The dealer I bought mine off has a demo red vignale. Not sure on kms. Not sure about the heated wheel and seats but still had paddle shifters.

Shame you aren't in SA.

I can be in a few hours.....did it have 20"s

[Vekgib]

2244 Land Cruisers sold for the month. Just astonishing to see at work that we're delivering at least 3 or 4 every week. We actually delivered 3 yesterday alone. And the overwhelming majority of our deliveries are Saharas, so there's plenty of money being thrown around.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Vekgib

2244 Land Cruisers sold for the month. Just astonishing to see at work that we're delivering at least 3 or 4 every week. We actually delivered 3 yesterday alone. And the overwhelming majority of our deliveries are Saharas, so there's plenty of money being thrown around.

That’s massive!
Are those still the V8 diesel run out model?

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by jpd80

That’s massive!
Are those still the V8 diesel run out model?

I could confidently say yes, as far as i know the 200 Series in Australia hasn't had the V8 Petrol option available for a while now, the current line-up is all V8 diesel-powered.

Interesting article.....

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...ntinue-129359/

[Vekgib]

Originally Posted by jpd80

That’s massive!
Are those still the V8 diesel run out model?

Yes. Still running the 4.5l V8

[Vekgib]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

I could confidently say yes, as far as i know the 200 Series in Australia hasn't had the V8 Petrol option available for a while now, the current line-up is all V8 diesel-powered.

Interesting article.....

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...ntinue-129359/

Yes. On Carsales, there's a dealer selling a 2021 Sahara for $190k.
Looks like that dealership will have a wild Christmas party.

[csv8]

Originally Posted by Vekgib

2244 Land Cruisers sold for the month. Just astonishing to see at work that we're delivering at least 3 or 4 every week. We actually delivered 3 yesterday alone. And the overwhelming majority of our deliveries are Saharas, so there's plenty of money being thrown around.

There is money out there. Seen how many Ram"s are being sold!!
Warlock a second run in production!!!

[whynot]

Originally Posted by Vekgib

Yes. On Carsales, there's a dealer selling a 2021 Sahara for $190k.
Looks like that dealership will have a wild Christmas party.

LOL, some things with Toyota never change. Back in the early 1990's (remember this is pre-internet), there were wild rumours floating around that the (the new) Land Cruiser 80 series would be a step backwards over the existing Land Cruiser 60 series. There was specific concerns/rumours about the new-fangled-dangle full-time 4WD. My boss wandered into a Toyota dealership originally after a 60 series and found the asking price way too high. But, he was able to negotiate, sight unseen, a steep discount off a new 80 series with delivery in 8 months. After initial reviews of the 80 series came out, prices of the 60 series plummeted and 80 series rose, and the Dealer wanted to renege on the delivery.

Knowing Toyota, the new 300 series will be better than the existing 200 series. Incremental, yes, but better.

[jpd80]

Correct me if I’m wrong but there’s no V8 diesel in the new 300 series
and that’s why the big push on sales as many buy their last V8 Landcruiser.

Logically, this looks like a huge pull forward of sales and once the V8s are gone,
those sales numbers will probably collapse until folks relent and buy a turbo six.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Vekgib

2244 Land Cruisers sold for the month. Just astonishing to see at work that we're delivering at least 3 or 4 every week. We actually delivered 3 yesterday alone. And the overwhelming majority of our deliveries are Saharas, so there's plenty of money being thrown around.

LOL. Money being thrown around. Or ‘money’ put against the house or owing to the finance company....

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Correct me if I’m wrong but there’s no V8 diesel in the new 300 series
and that’s why the big push on sales as many buy their last V8 Landcruiser.

Logically, this looks like a huge pull forward of sales and once the V8s are gone,
those sales numbers will probably collapse until folks relent and buy a turbo six.

I find it interesting as a LandCruiser with a 1HDFTE commands a pretty hefty premium on the second hand market, that's a 6 cylinder diesel engine.

I'm interested to see what the new diesel 6 engine is, wouldn't be hard to be better than the 1VDFTE, that thing is a boat anchor in stock form.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I find it interesting as a LandCruiser with a 1HDFTE commands a pretty hefty premium on the second hand market, that's a 6 cylinder diesel engine.

I'm interested to see what the new diesel 6 engine is, wouldn't be hard to be better than the 1VDFTE, that thing is a boat anchor in stock form.

For sure but clearly, it’s a boat anchor V8 that buyers want in droves. It’s human nature
to act that way when you tell buyers that they can’t something after a certain time.
The mentality driving this is a perceived emotional connection that Toyota is exploiting.

[383hq]

Originally Posted by whynot

LOL, some things with Toyota never change. Back in the early 1990's (remember this is pre-internet), there were wild rumours floating around that the (the new) Land Cruiser 80 series would be a step backwards over the existing Land Cruiser 60 series. There was specific concerns/rumours about the new-fangled-dangle full-time 4WD. My boss wandered into a Toyota dealership originally after a 60 series and found the asking price way too high. But, he was able to negotiate, sight unseen, a steep discount off a new 80 series with delivery in 8 months. After initial reviews of the 80 series came out, prices of the 60 series plummeted and 80 series rose, and the Dealer wanted to renege on the delivery.

Knowing Toyota, the new 300 series will be better than the existing 200 series. Incremental, yes, but better.

the next step, is for those that have bought the 200 series at higher prices to claim the new one is not better, won't be as reliable and is a liability with service tasks going backwards

(Perhaps all to justify the higher prices they have paid) i.e. Alternator location.

A few years down the track, it will be considered as reliable and the improvements will be acknowledged, usually before the mid-life facelift...

I'm thinking high pressures in fuel delivery/boost (for the diesel) may be the claim, but we'll see. (main way to get more torque will be more fuel/boost)

[martyk54]

Originally Posted by smoo

LOL. Money being thrown around. Or ‘money’ put against the house or owing to the finance company....

I believe 20% of new car sales are through car loans. It's hard to get stats on cash V cars purchased using home loans, I don't think it's recorded. You'd think that this may be the most popular way to finance a car now, not sure. Lots are purchased by tradies through businesses too.

This is the situation with property going through the roof. People call the bank, have the house revalued, then proceed to borrow a heap more money off of it for luxury items such as new cars.

Landcruisers are the latest 'must have' for the self entitled soccer mum, careful lads.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by 383hq

the next step, is for those that have bought the 200 series at higher prices to claim the new one is not better, won't be as reliable and is a liability with service tasks going backwards

(Perhaps all to justify the higher prices they have paid) i.e. Alternator location.

A few years down the track, it will be considered as reliable and the improvements will be acknowledged, usually before the mid-life facelift...

I'm thinking high pressures in fuel delivery/boost (for the diesel) may be the claim, but we'll see. (main way to get more torque will be more fuel/boost)

Absolutely correct.
Knowing Toyota, the new 3.3 turbo diesel will probably outperform the outgoing
4.5 V8 in power, torque and fuel economy - you can take that to the bank.

All this rush on the last of the 200 series is about is Toyota working both sides of the street,
feeding a want for the last V8 cruisers and charging heaps for it in front of transforming the
Landcruiser 300 with a new turbo six that’s better in every way, maybe a hybrid diesel too.

[Syndrome]

A friend of mine has a daughter who just turned 18. He purchased for her birthday present a brand new MG.................

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Absolutely correct.
Knowing Toyota, the new 3.3 turbo diesel will probably outperform the outgoing
4.5 V8 in power, torque and fuel economy - you can take that to the bank.

All this rush on the last of the 200 series is about is Toyota working both sides of the street,
feeding a want for the last V8 cruisers and charging heaps for it in front of transforming the
Landcruiser 300 with a new turbo six that’s better in every way, maybe a hybrid diesel too.

Rumours however your prediction would be a safe bet:
https://www.caradvice.com.au/942320/...leaked-report/

[russellw]

Thanks to the assistance of one of our members, we have the VFACTS data again so the graphical stats for March have been uploaded now.

[BENT_8]

Thanks Russ, total market has a typo error though as Ford is in 5th with 5977, not 6th with 5799 units.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Thanks Russ, total market has a typo error though as Ford is in 5th with 5977, not 6th with 5799 units.

It isn't a typo. That total is for passenger / LC vehicles only and thus excludes Transit Heavy and Transit Bus. Likewise, the Toyota numbers exclude the Coaster. It's close enough in the totals that it was enough to drop Ford to 6th.

It doesn't matter with some manufacturers (like Mercedes) as they separate out cars, vans and truck into different VFACTs groups although, in fairness, I really should add the M-B light commercials back into their total even if they do remain in 12th.

Cheers
Russ

[russellw]

The Quarter 1 Segment Analysis is now uploaded to the Tech portal.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Rumours however your prediction would be a safe bet:
https://www.caradvice.com.au/942320/...leaked-report/

Thanks for the link confirming the strength of the new turbo six.
Another reason people are buying up now is an expected price increase,
Japan has already seen a 43% hike in popular models that will likely flow
to models sold here......yikes.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Thanks for the link confirming the strength of the new turbo six.
Another reason people are buying up now is an expected price increase,
Japan has already seen a 43% hike in popular models that will likely flow
to models sold here......yikes.

No Probs....Toyota just released it's pricing on the new Kluger and they are up from just under $3K for the base which is now $47,650 for the Kluger GX 2WD petrol and tops out at $75,400 for Kluger Grande AWD hybrid – ..so maybe scaling that up for the higher price of Landcruiser and it will be a big jump I predict.

What do you think a 3L V6 Ecoboost hybrid Territory would sell for if allowed to continue today?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

No Probs....Toyota just released it's pricing on the new Kluger and they are up from just under $3K for the base which is now $47,650 for the Kluger GX 2WD petrol and tops out at $75,400 for Kluger Grande AWD hybrid – ..so maybe scaling that up for the higher price of Landcruiser and it will be a big jump I predict.

What do you think a 3L V6 Ecoboost hybrid Territory would sell for if allowed to continue today?

I see what you did there and it tracks back into the earlier discussion about
manufacturers increasing prices, people critical of Ford doing it but also
comfortable when every other manufacturer joins in.

Ranger Raptor’s $75k price doesn’t seem so high these days with a top of
the line Kluger for similar money

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I see what you did there and it tracks back into the earlier discussion about
manufacturers increasing prices, people critical of Ford doing it but also
comfortable when every other manufacturer joins in.

Ranger Raptor’s $75k price doesn’t seem so high these days with a top of
the line Kluger for similar money

More like 84 now

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I see what you did there and it tracks back into the earlier discussion about
manufacturers increasing prices, people critical of Ford doing it but also
comfortable when every other manufacturer joins in.

Ranger Raptor’s $75k price doesn’t seem so high these days with a top of
the line Kluger for similar money

I dont think anyones 'comfortable' paying more and more for any car but if the brand has earnt a reputation for reliability and customer satisfaction and the product provides good resale, which any Toyota product does, its easier to swollow.
This price gouging was always coming with our manufacturing ceasing, Covid has also created a supply/demand inbalance too.
Dont think for a minute the Raptor wont go up, there are examples online of used for new or over asking price.