XY but modern?

71XY · 15-11-2011, 07:24 PM

ok so was sitting down with dad the other day and we where thinking about ideas about the XY and we where throwing around the idea of buying a 2005 XR8 or turboed XR6 and putting all the running gear and all that in it but im new to fords and heard that you need all the radio and dash for the ecu to run and all that also what modifications would be needed crossmembers all the drive line gear also woundering anyone done it before???

Cheers
Mike

**Professor Farnsworth** · 15-11-2011, 07:39 PM

don't do it

71XY · 15-11-2011, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

don't do it

well the interior would all be original just the running gear still dont like it ??? it was dads idea i still love the 351 with a blower or something lol

FPV+fteT3 · 15-11-2011, 07:45 PM

Would be a costly exercise computers, antilock brakes, driveline would need upgrading, car will have to meet the pollution laws of the doner engine car, etc if you are seriously contemplating the swap best talk to an engineer as it will all have to be signed off by one in NSW but I guess the rules change state to state but it has been done and IIRC there are pictures and a build thread of an x series car (maybe an XY ute) with a boss 260 in the projects section.

Franco Cozzo · 15-11-2011, 08:07 PM

It'll probably end up costing as much as a house by the time you get it on the road.

Long story short:

Don't bother.

Stefan · 15-11-2011, 08:15 PM

IMO do it!

I have dream of building a white dead stock looking XW or XY incl down to every detail incl bench seat and hubcaps, column shift auto. but have the full running gear of a XR6T fitted.

Yeah not easy but jeez it would be ultimate weapon, smooth, quiet and deadly fast in a light XY, even with a dead stock engine.

**Polyal** · 15-11-2011, 08:17 PM

What...retro modding great. A boss 5.4 can be had with a shker aswell, plus heaps of supercharging options.

If you have the funds the I say do it.

Pepscobra · 15-11-2011, 08:27 PM

Would love to see this done!

I have also been pondering an idea of putting a modern motor into a '62 XL wagon resto project I am planning.

A few years ago my mate put a 5.0L efi motor from a VP commodore into a 1978 HZ Kingswood... looked great and went well too. Old skool looks, modern grunt! I dont recall this being extremely expensive? (or maybe it was and he didnt tell me)

71XY · 15-11-2011, 08:33 PM

well its something dad will want to do but he might have to settle for a mild 351 lol but then again its goin to take me a while to do all the panel work as im doing it myself lol

290v · 15-11-2011, 08:36 PM

BA XR8 motor i have seen some one fitting it into a 69 Fairlane he had to cut the shocker towers just to fit the motor in because of width it is a lot of work

Wretched · 15-11-2011, 08:40 PM

do it if you can, i have had similar thoughts but with a 69 mustang.

**Polyal** · 15-11-2011, 08:44 PM

New 69 shell with new boss302r would be heaven

Neale · 15-11-2011, 08:48 PM

I think the yanks have been doing it with mustangs for a while. But the hardest bit will be getting it registered.

GhiaEB · 15-11-2011, 08:51 PM

in the mustangs its mostly inj 302w. One out of a AU XR would be a great ride.

b2tf · 15-11-2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

don't do it

Why not? I reckon its a great idea, it will cost a shedload but the reliability of a new car in the body of an old cruiser really appeals to me. I know of an XR Fairmont with a full AU3 XR8 220 driveline in it, how much fun would that be.

OwnTheRoad · 15-11-2011, 08:55 PM

Just find a modern 351W and slam a BH Supercharged blower on it they look the best and then for somthing different put a gearvendors electronic overdrive behind a toploader with 3.5 to 1 gears itll fly on the track and cruise like its got 2.77 1 for the trip home .............hope you dont beat me to it.lol

**Professor Farnsworth** · 15-11-2011, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Why not? I reckon its a great idea, it will cost a shedload but the reliability of a new car in the body of an old cruiser really appeals to me. I know of an XR Fairmont with a full AU3 XR8 220 driveline in it, how much fun would that be.

i'm not talking about how great it would be, i was referring to price involved

however if OP and his dad have access to a small chest of gold coins, then they should go for it

Jim Goose · 15-11-2011, 09:05 PM

It has been done.. and there was a feature car on street fords (I think) about 6 or 7 yrs ago which had the dash from the doner car (honestly cant remember which model) and a late model injected V8 and shaker fitted.

atec77 · 15-11-2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 71XY

ok so was sitting down with dad the other day and we where thinking about ideas about the XY and we where throwing around the idea of buying a 2005 XR8 or turboed XR6 and putting all the running gear and all that in it but im new to fords and heard that you need all the radio and dash for the ecu to run and all that also what modifications would be needed crossmembers all the drive line gear also woundering anyone done it before???

Cheers
Mike

It can be done with after market parts , although there are better motors like a 4.5L nissan v8 which will produce heaps of power by simply buying a front cut , assuming you do your own and have good experience on the spanners
I larger wheezer might be worth a thought on injected gas ?

JC · 15-11-2011, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Goose

It has been done.. and there was a feature car on street fords (I think) about 6 or 7 yrs ago which had the dash from the doner car (honestly cant remember which model) and a late model injected V8 and shaker fitted.

Was that the blue XD/XE with ful BA interior? If so, I saw that car at the FPV day a few years ago - work of art, but constant work in progress too.

I reckon do it - but go for F6 running gear (it will fit easier and will be quicker than a Boss 5.4)

tankclare · 15-11-2011, 09:11 PM

How awesome would it be to go all out.. Unstitch inner doors and swap them over with new falcon, engine, box, diff, dash, seats the whole shebang. A lot of custom parts and money but would make for one neat retrotech.

Jim Goose · 15-11-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Was that the blue XD/XE with ful BA interior? If so, I saw that car at the FPV day a few years ago - work of art, but constant work in progress too.

I reckon do it - but go for F6 running gear (it will fit easier and will be quicker than a Boss 5.4)

no.. it was a metallic blue with silver trim (?) XY/XW.

FPV+fteT3 · 15-11-2011, 09:18 PM

XB coupe with a Boss 260

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...5&postcount=17

FPV8U · 15-11-2011, 09:23 PM

Rather than the Boss 5.4L i'd get a 4.6L Block Bored and stroked to 5.3L, you can get it in Injected or Carb form, it will make all the power of the 5.4L but is phisically smaller and lighter being an alloy block, love to rev aswell.

My understanding is any 5 or 6 speed that fits up to a 5.4L will also fit the 4.6L block.

Beyond that i wouldn't fit the BA-FG IRS as it's a POS, if you wanted to fit something more modern perhaps the AU IRS.

71XY · 15-11-2011, 09:33 PM

well it kinda came about when i was reading a street machine mag and there was a torana that had everything from a manoro put in it inerior engine everything the only thing oldskool was the shell and it got me and dad thinking about doing to the XY but the cost would be crazy and i think both our miss would not allow it hahaha but just thinking of things out side the box

mik · 15-11-2011, 09:46 PM

it would be grouse, i could be wrong , please correct me guys if i`m wrong, but i believe if you get club rego, basically make it a weekend only car and join a club the authorities are a bit more lenient with the mods, not available in all states i don`t think, might be worth a look though.

Bossxr8 · 15-11-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GhiaEB

in the mustangs its mostly inj 302w. One out of a AU XR would be a great ride.

This is what I was thinking, a hell of a lot easier fitting a later injected Windsor than a Boss 5.4.

It was always designed to fit a Windsor so stuff like engine mounts and all that stuff line up. And with a cable throttle its much easier to get working electronically as the electronic throttle of the Boss is a bit of a nightmare getting it all hooked up and working.

And it been done plenty of times so there's no lack of info.

And if you wanted more cubes you can swap the AU top end onto a 351 Windsor roller block, 400+ cubes if you want to stroke it too. Need to swap the 5.0 lower manifold for a 5.8 litre lower.

tankclare · 15-11-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mik

it would be grouse, i could be wrong , please correct me guys if i`m wrong, but i believe if you get club rego, basically make it a weekend only car and join a club the authorities are a bit more lenient with the mods, not available in all states i don`t think, might be worth a look though.

afaik club rego is the same as historic rego. Needs to be standard. Most mods you could do are what options come from factory or within certain limits. Was a bit of a stink about this with a club i'm in.

dave351cid · 15-11-2011, 10:25 PM

a bit off topic maybe but still related as in a retro conversion.

saturday i was at the servo and a `48 FX holden panel van pulled in to the bowser. very tidy car painted in BA lime green ( toxic i think its called) and sitting a bit higher off the ground then standard. obviously a recent rebuild and what raised my curiosity was that he stopped at the deisel pump.

when the guy got out i asked and it had the full running gear including dash from a `98 hilux. not uncommon to see different bodies put ontop of 4x4 chassis but this one looked like it was ment to be there.
said it had taken an unbelievable amount of time and $$$ to get it right.

foxtrot3 · 15-11-2011, 10:37 PM

Hi. Dont know if it ever got finished but an xf from the projects section shows the amount of work to get a late 6 into an early falcon ( http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=103488 ). A standard engine might be a bit easier and the xy engine bay might be higher at the front so the bonnet may not need to be cut. You only need the computer, accelerator pedal and the diagnostic plug and then get the ecu programmed so it has no theft protection and it will run in any car. Cheers MD