Crush street racers' cars

[photn]

Problem beeing is that the media is associating Street racing and hooning with P platers. thats the only part that inffuriates me. i dont care about the laws cause im not stupid enough to race or hoon. but seriously.

[HOON69]

Originally Posted by Tiapan

you can be done on the hoon law for things as little as... 'acting in a way that is testing the vehicls capability to brake or handle'

thats just taking a roundabout at 50km!

'acting in a way which is testing a vehicles accereration capability'

thats just getting to the speed limit too fast!!!

its all utter b*llshit!

what if i have my car crushed just because i acellerate a little fast for the first 40meters at the traffic lights just to tell the SS driver beside me not to bother?

i always give it a little squirt to jump ahead of any retard commodore driver just to remind him he is not driving a race car

and half of you on this forum think i should have my car crushed?? remember how easliy police can blow things out of the water, the power they could have can now take our car off us!!!

EXACTLY

they have enough powers and law behind them to now even take your licence from you if they fear your not capable of driving the vehicle safely(nsw does anyways) making new laws to suit them is BS TO THE MAX,we'll have laws for laws and ppl who innocently make a mistake can be rectum f'd for a simple mistake or judgement in their driving,the laws wont change the hoons and the laws dont decrease the road toll so why even change them?

[TUF514]

Originally Posted by Polyal

What scottishxc is right, simple, dont be a clown and an officer wont even look at you. Also how you conduct yourself once being pulled over plays a part. I can think of two occasions that I have been pulled over and spoken my way out of a situation. Some people just have chips on their shoulders.

Mate, i cant see how you can say that. I cant remember cruising by a copper in any of my old cars and not being eyeballed.

The number of times i have been pulled up for " random breath test and license check " because of what i was driving is BS as well.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by TUF514

Mate, i cant see how you can say that. I cant remember cruising by a copper in any of my old cars and not being eyeballed.

The number of times i have been pulled up for " random breath test and license check " because of what i was driving is BS as well.

Well the ute I have now sticks out like dogs balls, its low, loud, and the plates dont help. I am in Sunbury right now (a place with a high "hoon rate") and have not had an issue.

Guys I am not saying that I dont give it a squirt etc, but you simply have to pick your time and place. If you are getting done then obviously a police officer is nearby...wrong time.

Some will always profess that the government is evil and against them. But remember that the laws are made to protect the common lowest denominator. Unfortunately that means that even though we are responsible in the way we give our cars some stick, alot aren't and its these people that ruin it for everyone.

[FORD3V]

I find it VERY hard to believe that anyone who does or has owned a high performance car hasnt given it a squirt on the street or engaged in what the law would consider street racing.

You se it every friday and saturday night in every major capital city.

Crushing cars wont fix the problem,limiting the power of cars would, but we no that is never going to happen,I DONT believe it should.

If politicians,decision makers or whatever you wana call them were serious about this sort of thing,the power of cars would be severely restricted.

Is there any other realistic way of stopping it???????

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by agony

Maybe it will take something like this for all the idiots out there to listen, I say bring it on.

Interesting comment.
What’s the legal definition for a “street racer”? So the next time you take your "super hot Street rod" for a spin and give it a quick rev from the lights “up to the speed limit” and some tool in a Nissan Pulsar decides to keep up with you, are you now classed as a street racer?

Going by the BS that the media are reporting lately, surely you’ll be considered a street racer and a prime candidate for the crusher.

Would you have the same opinion then?

[Nikked]

1. These people will just get another car, and do the same thing again
2. More people will try to outrun the cops.
3. Most poeple being are in shitbox stockers.
4. Real enthusist will be the ones who cop it
5. If your car has a loud exaust or "looks fast", your a hoon.
6. Sunrise and the Dialy telegraph a run by who spin stuff to gain viewers/readership.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

I find it VERY hard to believe that anyone who does or has owned a high performance car hasnt given it a squirt on the street or engaged in what the law would consider street racing.

I have never driven my GT-P, any of my XR8’s or any other vehicle that I’ve ever owed over the speed limit ever. Not once.

I also believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, that the US will eventually find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that John Howard will be the next prime minister.

Sarcasm, off.

[RAREV8]

Originally Posted by HOON69

what i love about FFAU
the older generation are in agreeance 100% with the law etc
yet i bet half the hypocrites raced in more dangerous cars and at similar speeds back in the day,yet now they are older and none the wiser they want to see a change and tougher laws,so many hypocrites if you aint a hypocrite your on the bandwagon, its almost disgusting to watch the dribble.

crushing cars isnt the solution,neither is a instant jail term.

after each offence make the penalty double the amount of time
same with the fines,or make it X amount of dollars per K over
if they are a re-offender after 3-4 times ban them for life off the road
if they then get caught driving on a ban,then go down the imprisonement route(weekend detention,community service,then full term imprisonment)

crushing a car SAY A XD bogan spec wont hurt noone just means the guys in high powered vehicles will more then likely RUN FROM POLICE and the guys caught in their POS will just go buy another $100 POS to thrash.

the police can cry all the want,hooning is a crime and if caught you should expect no sympathy,but toughening a law every few months because of media hysteria is BULLDUST/CRAP/!

end of rant!

Just for your info, I am 32 years old, grew up where the laws were similar to the suggestions that I stated, was banned from driving for 15 months and copped a huge fine. Why? because I was being a dick and at 19, thought I knew better.

Older? Yes. Wiser? Yes. Take note as you have obviously got an issue as you seem to deem it appropriate to drive with scant regard for the law and it doesn't matter whether you "give it a squirt" once in a while or every moment you are in the car...its still against the law.

The worst part that some people still can't seem to understand is the threat you pose to other innocent road users. Forget the fines or having your car removed, how would you feel if you were responsible for maiming or killing someone?

Its this part that makes me think twice. I had passengers in the vehicle I was driving at the time and thankfully, they escaped without serious injury- I would not have been able to forgive myself if things had been worse.

So come on guys, forget about worrying about you suffering the inconvenience of having you pride and joy removed- enjoy it to its fullest but just use a modicum of commonsense and you have nothing to worry about. If laws like this do make it into circulation, I'm sure that they will be well documented...no one is "innocently" going to have their car crushed!

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I have never driven my GT-P, any of my XR8’s or any other vehicle that I’ve ever owed over the speed limit ever. Not once.

I also believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, that the US will eventually find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that John Howard will be the next prime minister.

Sarcasm, off.

I have never taken my 400hp V8 above 2000 revs either.........

I also believe in the easter bunny...........

Sometimes it makes you wonder about these so-called car enthusiasts.

[Ives]

I like the sound of that. Bring it on ASAP.

[pb02]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

I find it VERY hard to believe that anyone who does or has owned a high performance car hasnt given it a squirt on the street or engaged in what the law would consider street racing.

Is there any other realistic way of stopping it???????

I think the biggest issue is WHERE.. When I was younger it was done away from the public in areas that only endangered those involved. These days its happening in very public places.

Any realistic way of stopping it... I'm not sure. Crushing the car is more a burden on the poor parent that has paid for the car in some of the cases. With the risk of a car being crushed you might find theft more common as they won't care what happens to a stolen car, and they still get to race.

Something needs to be done but it will take a lot of thought. Hopefully not a knee jerk reaction that impacts everyday people.

[Tiapan]

i love the way the guy at the end of my street looks at me and shakes his head when i drive by at the speed limit, makes me wanna hit the stall and blow the tires off the rims, but i wouldnt do that lol

[RAREV8]

Originally Posted by pb02

I think the biggest issue is WHERE.. When I was younger it was done away from the public in areas that only endangered those involved. These days its happening in very public places.

Any realistic way of stopping it... I'm not sure. Crushing the car is more a burden on the poor parent that has paid for the car in some of the cases. With the risk of a car being crushed you might find theft more common as they won't care what happens to a stolen car, and they still get to race.

Something needs to be done but it will take a lot of thought. Hopefully not a knee jerk reaction that impacts everyday people.

Thats a fair summary- I see so much of it happen in south and Western Sydney in busy junction areas and busy roads around housing and schools- thats not on.

I don't think anyone is seriously trying to say that they don't ever break the law but where these incidents are taking place is just sheer stupidity..go for a drive out on the freeway and enjoy- at least there are no children on the side of the road and every one is travelling in the same direction. but watch for the radars!

[VIBEBA]

Originally Posted by TUF514

You wont get much support from these guys mate, but im with you! :

Im in agreance with you there mate : : :

[Tiapan]

i say let em streetrace, as long as its on a contry road and they can only kill themselves, most of the dic*khead street racers here are crushing there own cars before the cops even catch onto them.

when you line up another car and stall up your motor you are signing up to the events about to unfold and all the the risks associated.
i only dont agree when its in a dangerous area or if it has drink drivers or other people who can get hurt

[Tiapan]

oh and lets be honest, out of about 200,000 suscessful street races only about 0.2 people are killed, more people die each year of beestings! you dont see honey becoming illegal

[xe351]

well, this is dumbest thing i've heard for a while........... and some are actually supporting it??? are we on a camry forum???? as stated earlier, people will be far more likely not to stop for police, and try and get away, putting the general public in 10 times greater danger. Oh the stupidity.

If they want real solutions, why dont they work with the car enthusiast community instead of against them?

[HOON69]

Originally Posted by scottishxc

Just for your info, I am 32 years old, grew up where the laws were similar to the suggestions that I stated, was banned from driving for 15 months and copped a huge fine. Why? because I was being a dick and at 19, thought I knew better.

Older? Yes. Wiser? Yes. Take note as you have obviously got an issue as you seem to deem it appropriate to drive with scant regard for the law and it doesn't matter whether you "give it a squirt" once in a while or every moment you are in the car...its still against the law.

The worst part that some people still can't seem to understand is the threat you pose to other innocent road users. Forget the fines or having your car removed, how would you feel if you were responsible for maiming or killing someone?

Its this part that makes me think twice. I had passengers in the vehicle I was driving at the time and thankfully, they escaped without serious injury- I would not have been able to forgive myself if things had been worse.

So come on guys, forget about worrying about you suffering the inconvenience of having you pride and joy removed- enjoy it to its fullest but just use a modicum of commonsense and you have nothing to worry about. If laws like this do make it into circulation, I'm sure that they will be well documented...no one is "innocently" going to have their car crushed!

My username leaves me open doesnt it?
im not far behind you in the age bracket,and i have been on both sides of the fence,I was a Active Street Racer back in the M1 fun Run days,i also have learnt from my mistakes,i also aint no angel and openly admit i do break a road rule or two(whom doesnt) what i hate about topics like this is simple,half the whingers against Hoons had their time and now think because they have been there and done that,that they can put crap on the new generation of drivers and call its justified to do so,I dont have a car worthy of the "hoon status" i drive a family van 1.8litres of fury,i also drive a 4wd and to think i could fall under these BS laws because my standard cheese cutter tyres squeel and i could face the same penalty a street racer doing 200kmh is kinda BS to me.

BTW i never raced in traffic, and most racers dont, they usually pull up before traffic or wait till its passed ;) just so you know how real racers do it ;) ii dont condone Hooning and i accepted my punishment and have learnt from it.

theres one rule i follow: Time and Place and thats where most hoons come undone ;)

dont paint us all with the same brush ;)
The laws now are tough enough, these new ideas do nothing to change the road toll nor will they slow down Hoons who insist on going out thusday,friday,saturday nights to race a few Bogans and Ricers

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by Polyal

So hang on you are saying thats ok..little confused? "Street Racing" does come in a lot of forms, I never said I knew/have seen all them.


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No what I am saying is that you said its very simple, Street racing involves cars zooming around traffic dangerously, and what I am saying is thats a pretty broad statement to make which is better not to do. eg...a human being murdered somebody so human beings are very dangerous and are murderers...if your going to become a judge judge each case as per evidence and not what someone else did

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by b2tf

How is it the car's fault? I dont see how crushing them serves to solve the problem.

Exactly... but the legalised mafia dont see it that way they are always pushing the governments for 2 things more power and more pay. Next thing they will have everone who was arrested in the prior week at the local town hall at noon on Saturday for 100 lashings, all in the name of setting an example.

[XR06T]

Originally Posted by scottishxc

I don't think anyone is seriously trying to say that they don't ever break the law but where these incidents are taking place is just sheer stupidity..go for a drive out on the freeway and enjoy- at least there are no children on the side of the road and every one is travelling in the same direction. but watch for the radars!

you are 100% more likely to get caught in the less dangerous area like the freeway, because the police know that they will catch ppl out there!!

i barely see anyone pulled over in a residential areas, all on the freeways where, as you say, it is less dangerous.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by ED Classic

No what I am saying is that you said its very simple, Street racing involves cars zooming around traffic dangerously, and what I am saying is thats a pretty broad statement to make which is better not to do. eg...a human being murdered somebody so human beings are very dangerous and are murderers...if your going to become a judge judge each case as per evidence and not what someone else did

I think everyone needs to chill a little, your car is not about to be crushed for a minor infringement.

When did I become a dictionary? There are plenty ways you can "race". I was just giving an example.

[J_Tank]

Don't worry, in another week or two these so called journalists will have found another headline to sensationalise and in respone our politicians will come up with some outlandish laws to combat the new "news" story. Street racing will be forgotten about by most people for another year..

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by fiery

My point was : if you take the 'hoons' car and crush it, there is more likely a chance they will then add car theif to their list of 'naughties'.

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Agree 100%...It gets to the stage where you are just breeding criminals. Then they steel a car and take drugs and are on the roads without a license and insurance and are driving with someone elses third party because they dont have a vehicle to pay their own, then the laws for this get tougher because the offence is on the rise, then they have less reason to pull over when stopped by a Police vehicle because they know they are facing 5-10 years jail for grand theft auto like in the US, so the do 200kmh+ to get away and go through red lights untill someone innocent does get killed....It never ends...As ive said before I am far from anti American but I hope we never become like them in this respect, Jails are full, Crime is high (very bloody high), Centerlink requirements are too tuff (no one likes doll bludgers but...), homless people are a record.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by xe351

well, this is dumbest thing i've heard for a while........... and some are actually supporting it??? are we on a camry forum

Have you been reading my mind?

When I look at some of the replies here, I wonder if I’ve accidentally logged on the NRMA / RACV Camry driver’s opinion page.

FFS, there must be some boring people here, either that of many haven’t got the balls to admit that they’ve ever given a car a rev.

[S3SR]

crushing the car is the dumbest idea ive ever heard.......but i have said the same just out of pure frustration

first offense car is lost for a period...depending on seriousness of offense
2nd offense jail time with car gone for longer
on say a 3rd offense, the car is auctioned off....money goes towards the health care system

repeat offenders are shipped to a small man made island, if they make it back....thats good for them, if they get taken by sharks the world is a better place

crushing cars is wasting resources.... having the parts or entire cars available for wrecking is more effecient use of materials, or donate them to universities and study organisations for safety testing and research on modded cars????

S3SR for Prime minister

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Have you been reading my mind?

When I look at some of the replies here, I wonder if I’ve accidentally logged on the NRMA / RACV Camry driver’s opinion page.

FFS, there must be some boring people here, either that of many haven’t got the balls to admit that they’ve ever given a car a rev.

God people go on about how crap TT and ACA is with there sensationalized journalism and listen to what you guys are saying.

Everyone here has "hooned" or maybe even "raced". But the difference is we still have our cars and licenses because we are not gits. Problem is that these gits are killing people thinking they are on the blacklist in NFS (some might get that reference).

Talk of some not being "enthusiasts" is a joke, the people getting caught racing are not enthusiasts, if they were they would be at a track, or atleast have the brains to do it somewhere quiet away from the public.

These guys have it right--->>>:monkes:

edit: LOL @ S3SR, I agree. People are jumping to conclusions over a random article.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Have you been reading my mind?

When I look at some of the replies here, I wonder if I’ve accidentally logged on the NRMA / RACV Camry driver’s opinion page.

FFS, there must be some boring people here, either that of many haven’t got the balls to admit that they’ve ever given a car a rev.

No I never rev my car. It stays off boost all the time. I bought it because I didn't want to be called a typical Camry driver. Works well! :

[sexr6tasy]

Originally Posted by Polyal

God people go on about how crap TT and ACA is with there sensationalized journalism and listen to what you guys are saying.

Everyone here has "hooned" or maybe even "raced". But the difference is we still have our cars and licenses because we are not gits. Problem is that these gits are killing people thinking they are on the blacklist in NFS (some might get that reference).

Talk of some not being "enthusiasts" is a joke, the people getting caught racing are not enthusiasts, if they were they would be at a track, or atleast have the brains to do it somewhere quiet away from the public.

These guys have it right--->>>:monkes:

edit: LOL @ S3SR, I agree. People are jumping to conclusions over a random article.

The only irony is if you bring in all these bullshit laws it will probably get rid of of all the toy racers and the hardcore idiots will take over and it will be like NFS blacklist if the sensible people don't organize the car cruises and dyno days and give up because there tired of the crap the retards will organize them instead. Say no to stupid retarded laws and the people who make them up. I think everybody knows what we need and thats more speed cameras and p plater restrictions mixed in with some more dilapidated roads and no driver training. (sarcasm) :togo: