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05-08-2009, 07:39 PM | #31 | ||
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Actually I think those ute sales for both Falcon and Comm0dore are pretty bloody ordinary. Perhaps if the RTV was still available it could have added an extra hundred units or so to the bottom line.
And as for the Territory and the Focus - ergh. What the hell is going on there? The Kluger/Prado tag team is absolutely pasting the Territory, and the Escape - they need a replacement for that car, ASAP |
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05-08-2009, 08:02 PM | #32 | |||
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Focus has absolutely bombed. Fiesta nearly outsold it, its doing pretty well, they are selling all they can get of them. |
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05-08-2009, 08:08 PM | #33 | ||
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look at the new cruze near 2000 units. Alot of demos and intial sales to get started
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05-08-2009, 08:22 PM | #34 | ||
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Toyota's almost 20% down on this time last year and they're still dominating. Look at those Aurion numbers, unbelievable.
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05-08-2009, 09:24 PM | #35 | ||
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FORD need to market the cars !! new ads are in the right direction. But Falcon sales are down, compared to this time last year !! what is going on ???
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05-08-2009, 10:00 PM | #36 | ||
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Fiesta still sold more than Barina.. there is a God afterall. Cruze has had an epic start, imagine how many units they'll be pushing when they start marketing them as "made in Australia"!
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05-08-2009, 10:02 PM | #37 | ||
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The Ford Focus and the Mazda 3 are effectively the same car. Yet, Mazda 3 is absolutely pasting the Focus. Ford clearly have good vehicles. So, what is going on here ...
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Hyundai drives up the sales charts
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Fleet & Business sales boost new car market
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06-08-2009, 08:04 AM | #42 | ||
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You reckon Falcon sales are bad now! Wait for the new Commodore with better fuel economy, more power, 6 speed auto as standard and an advertising program to knock you out.
Ford will be lucky to sell a Falcon at all
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06-08-2009, 09:12 AM | #43 | |||
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Maybe the new add will help the focus in coming months?? |
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06-08-2009, 09:24 AM | #44 | |||
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Astra is down 1100, Viva 500, there's minus 1600 for Holden. So Cruze has taken up the slack with some cream on top. Most it's sales are from Astra and Viva customers, may even have picked up the 100 Epica customers that left as well. I don't see the big gains for Cruze yet, when 80-90% of sales for Cruze can be explained in Astra and Viva phasing out, they just went to Cruze. |
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06-08-2009, 10:00 AM | #45 | |||
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06-08-2009, 10:19 AM | #46 | ||
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Methinks the sales are not so much reflective of marketing (I am seeing a lot more Ford advertisements lately than any other brand - although the new Yaris add is so trendy it hurts - it's sure to attract young females who are keen to drop $15k on a new mode of transport), but a reflection of Joe Publics attitude towards transport.
Joe Public doesn't care about driving. They just want transport. They just don't give a crap about cars anymore. Sad. But true. |
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06-08-2009, 10:27 AM | #47 | ||
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talking about just a mode of transport....Over in France, where my wife is from(shes been here for 8 years), cars just get you around. They really dont care about them at all. In fact, my wife really took a while to understand here in australia when we are in carparks we dont whack our doors into the car next to us!!
Cars in France are really bought to be useful, not really anything more, and no one seems to get more than they would need. |
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06-08-2009, 10:35 AM | #48 | |||
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i am glad someone mentioned this... Cruze has just taken up slack from the phasing out of other models.. but had made a few sales on top of that.. so whats that... about 300-400 sales?... you can't give the Cruze FULL credit for gaining 2000 odd sales when it's replacing 2 other cars accounting for a 1600 sale loss.... |
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06-08-2009, 10:48 AM | #49 | ||
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It appears that a lot of Holden's appeal is its image.
I'm in a nice little argument about 'who makes the worst drivers' (specifically Holden v Ford), and the naievity is ridiculous; people who can Ford for being 'American' and 'breaking down constantly' etc. Holden markets well. The Cruze commercials; 'At night, look at the pretty colours...woooo' Regardless, Holden have done a good job marketing. Many people still call the Fiesta, the 'Festiva', and 'Focus' is what you do when you're studying for exams.
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06-08-2009, 11:16 AM | #50 | ||
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Did GMHolden have any input into the design of any kind of the Cruze? or was it all done over in Korea.. or wherever it's from?
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06-08-2009, 11:30 AM | #51 | ||
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The new ads are going to take a little while to gain traction.
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06-08-2009, 12:17 PM | #52 | |||
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"So Cruze has taken up the slack with some cream on top." People mention Cruze sold 1982 and how it's the greatest result since the model T. No problem. Just remember that Astra and Viva is -1600. I see it as a straight swap plus that cream I mentioned. |
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06-08-2009, 12:19 PM | #53 | ||
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Ford = Fail at marketing
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06-08-2009, 01:08 PM | #54 | ||
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I think many Ford fans seriously underestimate the damage the Ford dealer network has done to the brand. Not helped by Ford that preferred to:
a) Not fix a design or engineering problem now. (thats what the next model is for) b) Never recall a car - wait until every single bloody customer has been put through the wringer and then grumble you will fix it and claim you never heard of it before, while you do it. c) Always engineer the cheapest fix - not the best. d) Just never fix it. Warranty is up in two years, so keep bullshitting until it runs out. You are on the third diff? The fourth will work a charm. e) Always look to take $5000 worth of perceived customer value out of a car, by removing $500 worth of materials. The Territory decontent debacle comes to mind. Nothing new though, late EL's had this happen too. f) Deny a problem until you have made sure every media outlet has made the punters aware of it and the brand has suffered for it. Then either belatedly do something about it, or just as likely still fail to address it. Later announce at next model release that the problem you denied was a problem is now fixed or let the motoring press discover it and write it up for you. g) Forgot the internet means that customers are smarter in their purchasing now. Sure they might still ask Tom down the street who is a car nut, what to buy, but Tom has a heck of a lot better idea about Ford products and issues then he ever has. Better informed customers don't take spin well from big companies like Ford. If they do have an issue with a Ford vehicle, they take being ignored or spun a line even less well. h) Never, never, never address the appalling quality and perception of the dealer network. That can't have any repercussions for the sales can it? i) Not understand that poor fleet service and support also equals less private sales as these people have lives outside the office. Partners, neighbours, cousins, mates etc outside their business all get the opportunity to hear about how crap the last Falcon and/or Ford dealer was. Focus vs Mazda 3 sales is this outcome in practice. j) Fail to understand that most people are not tribal about car brands anymore. Yes some are (like on here), but most people have absolutely no problem about the brand. Traditional Ford buyers from my experience are less worried about swapping brands then a Holden buyer. Result is that if Ford or the dealer screws a Ford customer, they are far more likely to walk – and not come back. k) Most people who are not Ford enthusiasts, find it unacceptable and frankly stupid that you need to "shop around" for a Ford dealer who will fix properly a warranty issue. If the local dealer can't or won't fix a fault, they simply won't buy Ford next time and shop at Toyota next door for their next car. Sure Toyota might screw them over too, but if they do, they will try Subaru or Mazda next - they won't come back to Ford. l) Brand advertising will never, ever, replace a good dealer experience. if you can't provide the latter, then its game over before the ad even plays on the telly. Something many Ford fans can’t correlate as they only look at the ad and the car and not the whole ownership experience. Last edited by DanielXR8; 06-08-2009 at 01:17 PM. |
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06-08-2009, 01:33 PM | #55 | |||
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Some very good points there.
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06-08-2009, 02:56 PM | #56 | ||
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Actually King Nothing, i'll modify your sentence to say, "yep, all dealers do that, regardless of brand"
DanielXR8 does have many good points and i've most certainly experienced many of them from Ford, but it's not unique to Ford. It's still not an excuse for Ford and it's dealers though, improving customer experience/satisfaction is one way Ford could pull themselves ahead of the pack. I sometimes get Ford's research calling me/sending me out surveys which I complete, but I wonder if all the people who have received the 'Daniel List' treatment bother replying? If not, then Ford may not be getting the real feedback from these surveys. |
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06-08-2009, 03:19 PM | #57 | ||
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Unfortunately for Ford, the things in Daniel's post will be for a lot of buyers, a case of "once bitten twice shy". Ford won't get a look in with these people again.
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06-08-2009, 03:49 PM | #58 | |||
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http://www.holdencampaign.com.au/hol...LionAug09#/16/ They make their usual claims about being the first Australian manufacturer with disc brakes, seat belts, radials, anti-lock brakes. In fact BMC Australia was the first Australian manufacturer to introduce these features (e.g. Austin 1800, Mini), around 1964-65. But of course BMC isn't around to defend itself so Holden simply adopts the Goebbels principle of the bigger the lie you tell, the more people believe you. I actually challenged them about this some time ago and had an exchange of correspondence with a young airhead in their PR department. Their response? BMC was a "British" company whereas Holden was an "Australian" company. I then pointed out to them (as if they didn't know) that Holden was a subsidiary of GM in the US and that BMC Australia was a locally incorporated company just as GMH was - and also fully manufactured in Australia with majority local content. Their response? Silence. Since then I notice they've dropped the claim about radial tyres, probably because that one was too much of a porky to sustain but they've still kept the others. Ford owners might want to scan the timeline to see if any claims are made for things that Ford was in fact first with. Lying seems to be the key to Holden's success. |
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06-08-2009, 04:02 PM | #59 | |||
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No point in putting it in a new thread...
Worst seems over in NZ car sales http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...25760A00060643 Quote:
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06-08-2009, 08:11 PM | #60 | ||
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It's amazing at just how many vehicles Toyota manage to sell each month let alone the silly lion company. There must be a HUGE amount of fleet and business sales. I can't see private buyers ever buying that many cars each month. But I could be wrong.
Also, did anyone notice the 2 Vectra's in the Holden list? Didn't they disappear nearly 2 years ago before the Crappica oops, I mean Epica came onto the market? They must have been very old stock. People out there also can't grasp names. I remember years ago when the Festiva was around and people always referred to it as a 'Fiesta'. Now they're doing the opposite. :P I'd like to see the same figures from 10 years & 20 years ago. I bet the Ford figures would have been BIG compared to the other 2. Especially 20 years ago. Ah, I miss the old days.
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