Window tint - the blind killer - Page 2

UNR8D · 29-06-2010, 03:03 PM

in victoria its been proven the earth is also flat..........

82XD393.3v · 29-06-2010, 03:21 PM

http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/conne...window+tinting
heres jonno,s bible

Redrum · 29-06-2010, 03:26 PM

I disagree. The increase this year in pedestrian deaths I think relates more to the pedestrians stepping out on to roads and not paying enough care and expecting a motor vehicle to stop on a dime.

The Government should look more at vehicles driving around with obstructed forward vision. Especially in relation to sat nav units mounted hanging of windscreens. That is a far bigger and more dangerous issue.

bungarra · 29-06-2010, 03:35 PM

A friend bought an EX WA Police XR6 complete with "police" according to the paperwork in the owners manual. He got defected a few weeks later for it. When he showed the officers the paperwork, the senior of the two said "It is no longer a police vehicle".

When he took the XR6 over the pits, turned out he was the 3rd owner that day with ex cop cars who had been done for the same thing. The guy at the pit from DPI explained police tint is legal only for police vehicles!!

UNR8D · 29-06-2010, 03:42 PM

http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/conn.../window+tinting

harrold scrooby?

I cant believe they fly in the face of every other research article I have read on tinting EVER, its not a perception its a FACT my car is much more comfortable with window tint than without, after driving 600k's in a new is250 1 week, then same trip after having window tint done during the week i noticed a HUGE difference, dispite wearing sunglasses on both trips, the ammount of heat just beating through an untinted window is noticeable on ur forearm just for a start, let alone having climate ctrl set about 2deg higher in a tinted car = less strain on A/C system = less fuel.. they are morons.

UNR8D · 29-06-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bungarra

A friend bought an EX WA Police XR6 complete with "police" according to the paperwork in the owners manual. He got defected a few weeks later for it. When he showed the officers the paperwork, the senior of the two said "It is no longer a police vehicle".

When he took the XR6 over the pits, turned out he was the 3rd owner that day with ex cop cars who had been done for the same thing. The guy at the pit from DPI explained police tint is legal only for police vehicles!!

would have been worth the solicitors fees to have that thrown out, and open the flood gates for more litigation, you cant just say.. well its not now so here is your fine, when you sell a car it has to have a RWC to say its compliant at time of sale, if its not then the liability is shared, for what consieveable reason are they 'allowed' darker tint anyways, has no effect on their jobs if its T35 or T10.

aside from that fact, I believe you will find the factory 'privacy glass' is darker than T35 anyways so be interesting to see how many they try to spring with that crap.

Jason[98.EL] · 29-06-2010, 04:01 PM

Wonder if i should stay away from the city in my car on the weekend

I know i have dark tint but not sure where it stands with legalities

Jason

landau460 · 29-06-2010, 04:29 PM

i dont understand how this could be arent the police the law and not above the law how bout leed by example, two wrongs dont make a right, what about if its good for the goose its good for the gander. I think it is 'do as i say not as i do ' Where do they think they will get by screwing down the normal average jo blow. More people off side. Soon they will be making an underbelly bout a man so crooked that his window was tinted ilegally. What is next?
I have got a mate whos tinted hes car a i think the darkest tint available apart from it looked unreal i did happen to move it at night and found it abit hard so i know what they are saying. It is not ilegal to sell just like it is ilegall to increase your power more than i think it was 15% without an engineers report. But you can increase it legelly just not for the street.

I guess its buyer beware for a vehicle that is an ex highway patrol car poor bloke who copped that fine by the cops. But shows how much of a quota they have if they have to target the new owners of those ex police cars or maybe it was a slow month.

Things like this realy p!@# me off the police are supposed to be government servants looking out for you and me and instead they are looking more like repo men collecting the money. And i guess to an extent they get a bit hardened to all that through years of service or trained that way but there is spose to be the differance between children and adults more of a brain on there heads.
And lets not get me started on the pollies!

flappist · 29-06-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by UNR8D

would have been worth the solicitors fees to have that thrown out, and open the flood gates for more litigation, you cant just say.. well its not now so here is your fine, when you sell a car it has to have a RWC to say its compliant at time of sale, if its not then the liability is shared, for what consieveable reason are they 'allowed' darker tint anyways, has no effect on their jobs if its T35 or T10.

aside from that fact, I believe you will find the factory 'privacy glass' is darker than T35 anyways so be interesting to see how many they try to spring with that crap.

And even more fun, the Police appear to have sold it with a fraudulent roadworthy certificate......

flappist · 29-06-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrum

I disagree. The increase this year in pedestrian deaths I think relates more to the pedestrians stepping out on to roads and not paying enough care and expecting a motor vehicle to stop on a dime.

The Government should look more at vehicles driving around with obstructed forward vision. Especially in relation to sat nav units mounted hanging of windscreens. That is a far bigger and more dangerous issue.

But in order to see out the windscreen you have to take your eyes off the speedo for even one second and that is far too dangerous, I have seen it on TV.......

FPV8U · 29-06-2010, 05:10 PM

Hopefully this is a more a city thing than a state wide thing.

Daniel · 29-06-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason[98.EL]

Wonder if i should stay away from the city in my car on the weekend

I know i have dark tint but not sure where it stands with legalities

Jason

Hey Jason, going by the picture (we have no other way to tell here) I'd suggest you steer clear of the CBD. She looks pretty dark. The red EF/EL next to your car looks much closer to the "legal limit" at a quick glance.

On a side note-
My neighbors car was written off 2 days ago as he drove into the side of an old mans car who pulled out in front of him. The elderly man claimed the tint blocked a lot of his vision eve though my neighbor was driving with full headlights. This occurred during the daylight at 3pm, too.

I think the victorian TMU should be focusing on general field of vision obstructions such as GPS, phones, gauges, stuffed toys, hanging things off mirrors, papers and junk on dash boards and yes, even extremely (silly) dark tint... I know people that have had 5%, 10% & 15% etc..

Jason[98.EL] · 29-06-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Hey Jason, going by the picture (we have no other way to tell here) I'd suggest you steer clear of the CBD. She looks pretty dark. The red EF/EL next to your car looks much closer to the "legal limit" at a quick glance.

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might have to catch a train into the city on sat then

looks like i have another thing to worry about

Jason

Daniel · 29-06-2010, 06:08 PM

Yer, I drive into the CBD on some weekends too; after this I may steer clear for a while as mine looks quite dark having a black leather interior... I don't want them going over my car with a fine-toothed comb just with the intent of defecting my vehicle.

Has anybody been stopped yet with good or bad results?

Auslandau · 29-06-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Good point, my car currently carries darker than legal tint.
When i booked the car in the tinter told me the one i chose was illegal and therefore wasnt warranted against defect notices, but was happy to apply it knowing it is illegal.
That doesnt release me from my responsibilities, but if the darker tint isnt on offer i cant ask for it.

You are allowed to have darker tint on the rear and back windows .... its only front driver and passenger side that is more restricted .... its not illegal for the installer to put black tint on your window but is your responsibility if you have it applied. If it was stipulated you wanted legal tint and it is found to be not .... then you have some course of action with the supplier.

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Would you wear sunnies at night?

Therein lies the problem, sunnies work during the day and by night can be removed.
Tint works well during the day, but cant be removed at night.

wulos · 29-06-2010, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by superroo

If they are doing it right, there is a card that has writing printed on it. Put it behind 35% tint and you can see the writing, any darker and you can't read it.

The guy who did my tint showed me it. Pretty easy/quick way to check.

Cheers

Whilst this may sound like a good test, the theory is somewhat flawed. Tinting 'should' effect all tones equally (ie makes lights, AND darks darker) and shouldn't have any effect of contrast(which is how people differentiate letters / shapes)
The use of a card, fails to take lighting level/quality, or the readers eyesight into account & is about as definitive as the ' road users handbook' that states that in the dark you should be able to see 50m up the road with the cars headlights on lowbeam..

Unfortunately - like so many other initiatives sold under the guise of 'road safety' I don't really see this one as being effective, or truely aimed at reducing the road toll.

GavL · 29-06-2010, 06:51 PM

Be careful with darker than legal tints too, your insurance co may not give you your payout should you have an accident and someone notices this on inspection...

fg_nitro · 29-06-2010, 06:56 PM

Will they defect their own police and government cars as well?

prydey · 29-06-2010, 06:58 PM

tint is measured with a light meter. you can't tell just by looking at it. some tints 'look' dark but still allow the correct amount of light through.

is it illegal to obstruct my view out of the side windows? genuine question.

what about window socks? obviously no one has them on front windows but i fail to see how tinting has a limit and yet sunglasses don't and you can cover your window in material.

obviously the night time argument still stands but to me its not as big a deal as some like to claim. my last car had 20% tint and although it was darker at night, i wouldn't go as far as saying it impeded my vision. my current wagon has 30% and that is fine as well.

all it is, is the govt's are continually looking at ways to increase revenue.

InTrail · 29-06-2010, 07:12 PM

All windows of a motor vehicle, other than windscreens, available to the driver to obtain a view of the road or other road users must have a light transmittance of at least 35%. However it is desirable that the light transmittance of windows to the side and ahead of the driver is not reduced below 70%.

Re: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd.../0/VSI2web.pdf

Redrum · 29-06-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

But in order to see out the windscreen you have to take your eyes off the speedo for even one second and that is far too dangerous, I have seen it on TV.......

Too right, the 3% tolerance is utter rubbish!

mik · 29-06-2010, 07:20 PM

i am a bit surprised they are`nt also looking at tinted tail lights and head lights, surely this is a safety issue?

galaxy xr8 · 29-06-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

tint is measured with a light meter. you can't tell just by looking at it. some tints 'look' dark but still allow the correct amount of light through.

is it illegal to obstruct my view out of the side windows? genuine question.

what about window socks? obviously no one has them on front windows but i fail to see how tinting has a limit and yet sunglasses don't and you can cover your window in material.

obviously the night time argument still stands but to me its not as big a deal as some like to claim. my last car had 20% tint and although it was darker at night, i wouldn't go as far as saying it impeded my vision. my current wagon has 30% and that is fine as well.

all it is, is the govt's are continually looking at ways to increase revenue.

Window sock's can be used just like tint on the rear window's can be darker(privacy tint), like has been mentioned it really only cover's the two front window's when tint is concerned to be legal or illegal.
Window sock's are genrally only used for shade anyway with a baby as such, and if this is the case, well you can not put a baby capusule in the front as it is illegal, so I don't see how a window sock would need to be used on the front window.

galaxy xr8 · 29-06-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GavL

Be careful with darker than legal tints too, your insurance co may not give you your payout should you have an accident and someone notices this on inspection...

I was going to mention this aswell, having illegal tint and then having an accident will allmost void your insurance, is it worth it.

mcnews · 29-06-2010, 08:04 PM

And the moronic press run this police spin yet again almost in its entirety. The whole thing is beyond pathetic on so many levels. I don't have any aftermarket tint, never have and probably never will. But believe people should have the right to have whatever tint they like. Where does it stop, a certain colour car has more chance of an accident according to dodgy statistics, well let's ban that colour car.... Don't joke, the morons would do it if they could get away with it.

MitchG · 29-06-2010, 08:16 PM

What about cars with factory fitted black glass? e.g territory & some imports..?

ieatsports_cars · 29-06-2010, 08:22 PM

most of their police cars are havily tinted cars any way ecpecially their vans - IDIOTS

ieatsports_cars · 29-06-2010, 08:22 PM

most of their police cars are havily tinted cars any way escpecially their vans - IDIOTS

flappist · 29-06-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

And the moronic press run this police spin yet again almost in its entirety. The whole thing is beyond pathetic on so many levels. I don't have any aftermarket tint, never have and probably never will. But believe people should have the right to have whatever tint they like. Where does it stop, a certain colour car has more chance of an accident according to dodgy statistics, well let's ban that colour car.... Don't joke, the morons would do it if they could get away with it.

Canada banned black cars and the popular peoples democratic socialist republic of Kalifornia are pushing to ban all dark coloured cars.

JC · 29-06-2010, 08:53 PM

A guy I work with had 20% tint fitted to his car, and at night, he said he had to drive with the driver's window down just so he could see enough to give way to the right. He ended up getting it stripped and going back to 35% film.

I can understand why the police are targetting these cars and why they are saying pedestrians, cyclists etc are the ones in danger - it would be pretty hard to see a barely moving/small object at night through heavily tinted windows - it is bad enough just trying to see other cars!