Shut Holden, Ford and Toyota

[Franco Cozzo]

I got a good idea, make a product that the public actually wants, then maybe you'll see a reflection in sales.

Raising Tarriffs is a stupid idea, restricting choice.

But hey, Ford is making a product even though it falls down the sales ladder anyway, just keep doing this.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by bingoTE50

The reduction of the import tariff by John button was the beginning of the end for our car industry . The manufacturers warned of this,but the thinking was to break the monopoly of the local product and increase the quality.
Now that imported product is cheaper because of lower tariffs and the aussie dollar is good more of us can afford to look past our local offerings.Is this bad ? Probably for the workers involved,but unless the local guys acknowledge the trends of the market ,and it appears they may be now,the industry as we know it will change.
Business is about bottom lines not emotion,unfortunately...

On the other hand if Ford/Holden were not forced to compete with the outside world the falcadore would be a mere shadow of what it is today.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by bingoTE50

The manufacturers warned of this,but the thinking was to break the monopoly of the local product and increase the quality.

The manufactures agreed to the button plan. The government talks to these companies all the time.

[stang65]

FORD and HOLDEN both need to lift their game, the goverment is to blame with import tarriffs , imports should cost more to bring in and be priced above the aussie models of the same specs the difference going to the goverment to further invest in the auto industry, but the Aussie products also need to improve thier quality as well as thier warranties and service. Australia had the fastest four door car in the world and then we hit the supercar scare and we went backwards. We can compete on world level but then if people only bought AUSTRALIAN CARS THE goverment would miss out on a lot of taxes.

[Chopped]

" And if you're the best, the BMWs, the Mercedes, the Mazdas, Hondas and Suzukis will use you. "

Lol

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by flappist

Who employed all the people put out of work when guns were banned in 1996?

Government?

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by jpd80

That buys the local manufacturing industry about $8 billion/year worth of products for domestic and export.
On top of the tax that Ford, GM and Chrysler buy power and pay tax, their suppliers also pay tax and so do all their employees. The people who buy those vehicles pay GST on them and also have them serviced locally.

There are a lot of hidden benefits to a local car industry, the government knows this and is tipping in a few dollars to get a whole lot more back...

mmmmmm whilst I dont have the exact figures, I would be hard pressed to beleive an industry that only made 223,000 cars in 2009, and from all accounts include up to 70% imported components into the cars, would contribute $8 billion dollars to the economy. 8 billion / 223000 x 30%. To achieve that magical mark, the manufacturers would need to sell each car they are making for approx $115000. If you mean they sell $8 billion of product each year, you may be close, but its business 101 to try and sell things at a higher price than it costs to make. Not just acheive turnover. By your reasoning, we would be far better to increase the crime rate, as locking someone up cost taxpayers $100,000 per year, which is then added onto our GDP.

Nissan, Mitsubishi, Renault, Mazda, Suzuki (or whoever own the distribution rights in australia) also pay taxes. In fact wouldnt one asume that 86% (imported) of the cars bought in australia, contribute alot more in GST than the 14% of locally made cars (who are often bought by government agencies, which are excluded from paying GST).

If the government recieves more back from the local car manufacturing industry than it hands out, then wouldnt it be far better for the government to exempt these companies from paying taxes (or lower their taxes) , rather than taxing them and then giving money back by way of subsidies / rebates. The simple answer is lowering a tax on a company that runs at a deficit has no benefit. You then have to resort to sudsidies and rebates.

Doesnt really matter anyhow, if the coalition get in with the assistance of the three independant yokels, its bye bye subsidies and bye bye australian car industry. After all, you cant blame the yokels for wanting to support the 140,000 australian farmers, instead of the supporting a small number of people in the car indusrty.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

mmmmmm whilst I dont have the exact figures, I would be hard pressed to beleive an industry that only made 223,000 cars in 2009, and from all accounts include up to 70% imported components into the cars, would contribute $8 billion dollars to the economy. 8 billion / 223000 x 30%. To achieve that magical mark, the manufacturers would need to sell each car they are making for approx $115000.

Including vehicles exported, there's over 300,000 vehicles produced in this country,
their combined value is close on $8 billion.

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Doesnt really matter anyhow, if the coalition get in with the assistance of the three independant yokels, its bye bye subsidies and bye bye australian car industry. After all, you cant blame the yokels for wanting to support the 140,000 australian farmers, instead of the supporting a small number of people in the car indusrty.

I think you're very misinformed on the opposition's view of the local car industry,
Howard was in power for around 10 years and never considered dismantling or winding back assistance.

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Including vehicles exported, there's over 300,000 vehicles produced in this country,
their combined value is close on $8 billion.



I think you're very misinformed on the opposition's view of the local car industry,
Howard was in power for around 10 years and never considered dismantling or winding back assistance.

Damn JPD, i guess when i look at the following link
http://www.fcai.com.au/sales/monthly-production-volumes

and it says 223000 cars produced for 2009 in australia, then something must be astray. So if you only produce 223,000 in a year, it would seem nigh impossible to sell locally and export 300,000 cars a year.

I dont recall seeing John Howard on the electoral lists. I do recall seeing Joe Hockey on the lists. Current shadow treasurer, and one just has to google coalition car industry assistance, to see what Joe Hockeys veiws are on the matter

[xy500]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yeh because you can't do that with a 4WD.......

suzuki dont make 4wd's they make awd's

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Damn JPD, i guess when i look at the following link
http://www.fcai.com.au/sales/monthly-production-volumes

and it says 223000 cars produced for 2009 in australia, then something must be astray. So if you only produce 223,000 in a year, it would seem nigh impossible to sell locally and export 300,000 cars a year.

I dont recall seeing John Howard on the electoral lists. I do recall seeing Joe Hockey on the lists. Current shadow treasurer, and one just has to google coalition car industry assistance, to see what Joe Hockeys veiws are on the matter

OK, it looks like I've double counted Toyota's exports.

So let's get to the core of what you're saying, you think the Australian vehicle manufacturing industry
is a waste of time, propped up by successive governments and needs to be scrapped?

If the above is true, then why don't Ford, Holden and Toyota just fold up their tents and import vehicles...

Why don't all the people here just go and buy Mondeo, Focus and Fiesta and call it a day....

[5.4 GT]

Junk cars from a joke manufacturer. They should stick to making bikes.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by xy500

suzuki dont make 4wd's they make awd's

Suzuki Grand Vitara
-full-time 4WD with selectable center differential lock and low range transfer case

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Damn JPD, i guess when i look at the following link
http://www.fcai.com.au/sales/monthly-production-volumes

and it says 223000 cars produced for 2009 in Australia, then something must be astray. So if you only produce 223,000 in a year, it would seem nigh impossible to sell locally and export 300,000 cars a year.

I took too long to edit my post above but you are using the very subdued 2009 figures
to prove your point, annual production figures previous to 2009 were all above 300,000
and while 2010 production won't match 2008, it's well in front of last years 223,000 figure
and could be closer to 300,000 than last years low ball number.

Please keep an open mind when counting out the local industry, it's turning a corner and
gives us the kinds of cars not seen anymore in the rest of the world. So depending
on what Ford decides, the I-4 Ecoboost Falcon and Diesel Territory could become an
interesting source of variety both here and perhaps some nearer RHD countries at first
but who knows what is possible from there on....

[wrongwaynorris]

Just goes to prove you don't have to have a long neck to be a goose . Try towing a 30 foot boat or a caravan or even a decently loaded 9 x 5 box trailer behind anything in the Suzuki range .

[wrongwaynorris]

[QUOTE=Nikked]Suzuki Grand Vitara
-full-time 4WD with selectable center differential lock and low range transfer case

And nowhere near enough power or torque to drag an old lady off a tin **** pot .

[ltd]

Suzuki can kiss my proverbial. They make small cars which don't appeal to me, and frankly I'll never forgive them for the amount of rollovers their crappy vitara had. Lost a couple of mates who were driving one of those death boxes. What did they model the dynamics of those things on, the Robin Reliant?
The boss of Suzuki Aust deserves to be hung up by his goolies and flogged for his stupid remarks. Someone should inform him that when his parent company in Japan eases restrictions on trading and tarriffs, then he may be in a position to make a valid point. Until then, STFU rice farmer.

[Brazen]

Gee that guy spoke some rubbish. I do agree with the point of the type of cars being built here. Cruze is a step in the right direction we also need to build a small SUV here, these types of cars get a lot of private buyers.

[flappist]

I wonder what this thread would be like if he had just said shut down Holden?

[Gobes32]

The reason the industry survives is most likely that when times are good, and that was only 4 years ago mind you, then the money that is generated into the economy is too great to just throw away. Even the Thailand government supports they're local auto industry with handouts, and they produce more cars on a weekend than we do all year..........

[Interceptor]

yup..... suzuki sure know how to run a business..... different distributors in queensland and victoria, means that a customer whos car needs a part to get it back on the road in queensland has to wait 1-2 weeks for the part to be sourced ex japan instead of 1-2 days to get it from melbourne.....

[brismike]

Originally Posted by jpd80

If the above is true, then why don't Ford, Holden and Toyota just fold up their tents and import vehicles...

Why don't all the people here just go and buy Mondeo, Focus and Fiesta and call it a day....

Why? ... Because I love my FG Falcon please please don't make me drive or buy any Suzuki or other ricer crap lol.

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by flappist

I wonder what this thread would be like if he had just said shut down Holden?

I would imagine that some here would be saying the old good riddens side of things

[smoo]

Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

Just goes to prove you don't have to have a long neck to be a goose . Try towing a 30 foot boat or a caravan or even a decently loaded 9 x 5 box trailer behind anything in the Suzuki range .

The only one that would come close would the the Vitara with the FIAT diesel in it Before shoting his mouth this joker should take a look at VW, Peugeot etc to see how small cars should be built. He then might realise Suzuki should stick to outboard motors and motorbikes.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Jason[98.EL]

I would imagine that some here would be saying the old good riddens side of things

The people that would know the real consequences would think otherwise.

[Ducati888]

Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

Just goes to prove you don't have to have a long neck to be a goose . Try towing a 30 foot boat or a caravan or even a decently loaded 9 x 5 box trailer behind anything in the Suzuki range .

Yes, quite right. The majority of Aussies do that on a daily basis. ****.

[Syndrome]

This thread mine is a bit late. It looks like Suzuki got their wish.

[Joe5619]

This topic is 5 ****en years old... Why bring it back up??????????????

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

This thread mine is a bit late. It looks like Suzuki got their wish.

Let's hope Suzuki go the way of the Daihatsu and Daewoo