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28-11-2010, 02:00 AM | #31 | ||
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Ive heard DSG/DCT transmissions will still roll back on a hill though.
For my mind the gearbox itself is still a manual (no platetary gears, no torque converter) but automised and refined more than youre typical automated manuals such as those BMW and Ferrari developed. I'd call it an auto for licensing sake though. |
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28-11-2010, 02:24 AM | #32 | |||
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28-11-2010, 08:47 AM | #33 | ||
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it is an automatically shifted manual gearbox... same thing as the auto shift roadrangers in trucks these days, theyre still a manual gearbox, but a computer and shift motors shift gears at precisely the right time...
the brochure for the auto shift tates it will shift better than the most seasoned of drivrs, everytime, and ultimately saving fuel and component wear, or something like that haha at the end of the day, a conventional manual requires the driver to be in control, hence the word manual, if its not up to the driver its "classed" as an auto, whether the box is an auto intrenally or not is irrelevant
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28-11-2010, 08:59 AM | #34 | ||
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Semantics semantics , most manufacturers call them manual or automted manuals or whatever ****y trademark they choose so people who cant drive think they can . A manual is a manual , clutch and the driver selects what gear he wants when he / she wants . Driving ( as in " DRIVING " is becoming a diluted skill ) with all these gimmicky things being released so as I stated earlier people who can not drive ( ie vehicle steerers ) can con themselves into thinking that they can drive .
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28-11-2010, 10:02 AM | #35 | |||
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28-11-2010, 10:12 AM | #36 | |||
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Heavy vehicle transmission conditions If you pass a practical driving test for a licence class HR, HC or MC in a vehicle fitted with an automatic or synchromesh transmission, your driver’s licence will restrict you to driving vehicles of that class fitted with a synchromesh or automatic transmission only. You will need to pass a practical driving test in an appropriate class of vehicle with non-synchromesh transmission (constant mesh or crash box) to have the condition removed.
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28-11-2010, 10:13 AM | #37 | ||
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For me it comes down to you either manually engage the clutch, or the car car automatically does it for you. Ignore the marketing hype.
The simple solution is don't issue licenses to people who can't drive manuals. Problem solved. |
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28-11-2010, 12:34 PM | #38 | |||
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That is true but most modern DSG's have a hill start feature that will hold the brake for a couple of seconds once you lift your foot off the brake until the accelerator is pushed. Many new manuals have this feature as well. An auto will roll back on a hill if it is steep enough to overcome the torque convertor. That is why they teach hill starts in both manuals and autos, it has become a bit of a lost art using the handbrake to complete a proper hill start. As for the license restriction, if you are in one state driving on the license of another state, you still have the restriction of the state in which you hold the license. To me the identification of an auto or manual box is the presence of a clutch. If it has a clutch it is a manual, if it does not and it has the function to swap gears automatically (which all DSG's do) it is an auto even if it does not have a traditional torque convertor. Lets face it, there is no difference in the way I can operate my ZF 6 speed compared to a DSG, both have auto and manual modes. To say the DSG is a manual because you can select a gear is wrong, I can select a gear in my ZF 6 speed so does that make it a manual too? I could also select 1st in my 1968 2 speed powerglide in my old HK, does that make it a manual too?
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28-11-2010, 12:59 PM | #39 | |||
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...except if you're in manual mode on the ZF, it won't change up gears, only down to prevent labouring/stalling. You can hit the limiter all day long, or until something snaps anyway
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28-11-2010, 02:30 PM | #40 | |||
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28-11-2010, 02:41 PM | #41 | |||
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I belive in both cases you have to obey your states rules and regs, regardless of what state you are in. I know when i was driving in Vic on my WA licenced P's the VicPolice could do squat about my choice of car, from their mouth aswell not just an assumption on my behalf. |
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28-11-2010, 02:47 PM | #42 | |||
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I'll try and find the rego papers and see whether it says Auto or Manual. I'd assume it says Auto.
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28-11-2010, 07:30 PM | #43 | |||
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29-11-2010, 01:32 AM | #44 | |||
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Very OT but a trip down memory lane I can not resist. I still miss my HK Premier and my my HT Monaro (it was a nice drive way as I had both at the same time. The HK was the beast, started life as a 186 with powerglide and ended life with a 350 and turbo 400 auto (3 speed sounds so lame now but it was a great step up from the 2 speed). The HT was bog standard with the for its time all new aussie 308. Should never have sold them
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29-11-2010, 05:53 PM | #45 | |||
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29-11-2010, 06:14 PM | #46 | |||
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29-11-2010, 08:37 PM | #48 | |||
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Having said that, the characteristics of a DSG even though they have improved from the clunky things they were 5 years ago does not lend itself to some applications. The DSG lends itself well to sport applications where the engine braking of a manual, the direct drive and shift speed are important, i.e more sporting orientated cars. In applications that require refined power and smooth drive, the torque convertor is much more effective and will be for some time to come. The simple fact is on a luxury car the slushiness of a true auto is praised, the directness of a DSG is criticised. Inversely in a sports car the slushiness of an auto is criticised and the directness of a DSG is often praised (for those that can live without a clutch). Many manufacturers realise this, look at BMW they offer an auto on the more luxury 5 and 7 series sedans yet on the more sporty M6 and M3 they offer a DSG. Mercedes is the same, on the E class it is all autos except the E63 AMG which gets a DSG. With these notions in mind, it is no surprise that Bentley have deemed the DSG as not suitable, Bentley buyers are not buying sports cars, they want smooth, refined and luxurious power. Just like a buyers of a Mercedes E500 does, the buyer of the E63 AMG wants sports (with a fair whack of luxury).
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