Peugots Falcon Commodore Rival. And its DIESEL!!! - Page 2

Supercharged · 16-07-2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ebxr8240

Companies are looking hard at fuel bills..
They MAY think a diesel is a better option ??
Euro cars just don't seem to have a good auto
like Falcon / Commodore or even the Jap cars...

Maybe but would the Peugots get to where you need to go, their reliability is rubbish.

vegabass · 16-07-2011, 09:01 PM

Id certainly consider it if i was buying new and or had to decide on a new company car. So much so that I would probably favour it.

IronFalcon · 16-07-2011, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 5.0

I had a feeling you'd comment on that after i posted it lol. Honestly though sure on the odd occasion but the two aren't cars that you cross shop. If you're looking to buy an XR6T or SS you aren't going to go to Peugeot and look at a 508.

Add to that the people who want local performance, but can't afford the flagships as mentioned. They'll still buy local to at lest get the image or a car associated with that image.

Franco Cozzo · 16-07-2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

I'll qualify that: 90% of drivers wouldn't pick the difference, and probably 99% would never even think to ask "is this front wheel drive?"...it just doesn't come into the equation when someone is asking about cars features.

Mum thought her Festiva was RWD up until a few years ago, but she's not into cars so there you go. I can't tell the difference between RWD and FWD cars (besides east-west engine, no tailshaft and extra space in FWD cars obviously), maybe because I don't have an interest to go on the track and I don't drive like a moron on the road either.

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

After owning a diesel for half a year I will be looking for another oil burner should I be buying another new car, just love the charachteristics of the engine and the ultra low consumption.

Me too, love diesel engines, so much torque, good fuel economy and easy to drive, cruise up a steep hill in my Focus 1500 RPM in 4th gear 60km/h and it pulls hard.

100km/h 1750 RPM in 6th

sgt_doofey · 17-07-2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Supercharged

Maybe but would the Peugots get to where you need to go, their reliability is rubbish.

Having had one for the last 5 years and 101,000kms now, yes, they are reliable. Couple little of electrical gremlins at the start whilst under warranty, but apart from that, she gets us from A to B and back again no worries.

mash again · 17-07-2011, 09:23 AM

werent the xr6's going for about 33k on the road recently, given that real world figures for a diesel (if it has and power and is used and it cost more per litre) are higher than stated the extra 10k will put alot of fuel into an xr6 or commo. It will probably sell to the crowd that like to tell everyone they drive a peugot. No good in the country areas, no dealers to interigate the computers etc, see alot of these types of car on trucks heading back to Adelaide. Thats why toyota do so well, more service centres than most, we dont even have a ford dealership anymore.

Yellow_Festiva · 17-07-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

100km/h 1750 RPM in 6th

Hey Damo. Didn't realise there is such a difference between the auto and manual Focus?

The auto in 6th spins at around 1950rpm at 100. It annoys me as IMO this is a little on the high side and consumption jumps a great deal from 100 to 110 (like 20%!).

Whould have been great to have it sit on 2000revs at 110, oh well.

GASWAGON · 17-07-2011, 11:07 AM

No match for the ECOLPi in terms of parts costs either I would think... being Le'French and all lol!

Danny · 17-07-2011, 12:23 PM

I would say this car is more a compeditor to VW Passat, 3 Series beemer, Mondeo TDCi Titanium and the like. Falcon and Commodore are in an Aussie built world of their own.

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Originally Posted by Supercharged

Maybe but would the Peugots get to where you need to go, their reliability is rubbish.

Stating as fact? Based on what experience?

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Originally Posted by 5.0

nobody is going to cross shop a sexy performance car against an ugly looking TD frogmobile.

Yawn.

Typical neanderthal responses to every French car thread, showing more often that those hanging off the lowest intellectual rung open their mouths far too often.

Bossxr8 · 17-07-2011, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I would say this car is more a compeditor to VW Passat, 3 Series beemer, Mondeo TDCi Titanium and the like. Falcon and Commodore are in an Aussie built world of their own.

Stating as fact? Based on what experience?

Yawn.

Typical neanderthal responses to every French car thread, showing more often that those hanging off the lowest intellectual rung open their mouths far too often.

Top Gear quality surveys always have the PSA built cars dead last, and their reputation for quality isn't good. JD power surveys also back this up.

Franco Cozzo · 17-07-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Hey Damo. Didn't realise there is such a difference between the auto and manual Focus?

The auto in 6th spins at around 1950rpm at 100. It annoys me as IMO this is a little on the high side and consumption jumps a great deal from 100 to 110 (like 20%!).

Whould have been great to have it sit on 2000revs at 110, oh well.

Thats a bit odd, mine sits on the 3rd line, the one under the 2000 RPM mark (1750? 250 RPM increments). I wonder why so much difference in ratios between auto/manual?

Also we've got PSA diesels in our Focus I think, haven't really heard about problems with them as such except for dodgy EGR valve blocking up.

Bossxr8 · 17-07-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

Thats a bit odd, mine sits on the 3rd line, the one under the 2000 RPM mark (1750? 250 RPM increments). I wonder why so much difference in ratios between auto/manual?

Also we've got PSA diesels in our Focus I think, haven't really heard about problems with them as such except for dodgy EGR valve blocking up.

Their diesel tech is pretty damn good.

I'd say its more a case of electricals and fit and finish thats the issue, which doesn't carry over to Ford which would use their own parts.

sgt_doofey · 17-07-2011, 05:27 PM

The PSA engines are also in the Mini diesel.

smoo · 17-07-2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Top Gear quality surveys always have the PSA built cars dead last, and their reputation for quality isn't good. JD power surveys also back this up.

Ohh, you mean these pointless surveys that contradict each other and mirror the results every year.

irish2 · 17-07-2011, 09:14 PM

Australians should not consider any French vehicles after the Muiroa Attol debacle. I will never buy a french vehicle, second hand or new.

flappist · 17-07-2011, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by irish2

Australians should not consider any French vehicles after the Muiroa Attol debacle. I will never buy a french vehicle, second hand or new.

Should Australians consider any motor vehicle built buy a company that openly supported Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime?

Or ones made by a country that murdered Australian civilians when repeatedly bombed Darwin?

Or how about ones made in the only country to commit actual genocide in the last 200 years........

N.B. for those who have little knowledge of history these are Ford, Japan and Australia.

DanielXR8 · 18-07-2011, 12:09 AM

The biggest threat to Falcon isn't a French car, but a Korean or Japanese SUV, any size from mid size on up.

You can also start to throw into the mix some of the Korean hatches and sedans too.

vztrt · 18-07-2011, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Should Australians consider any motor vehicle built buy a company that openly supported Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime?

Or ones made by a country that murdered Australian civilians when repeatedly bombed Darwin?

Or how about ones made in the only country to commit actual genocide in the last 200 years........

N.B. for those who have little knowledge of history these are Ford, Japan and Australia.

You forgot to add companies that used slave labour to build their cars. That'll knock out a few more including GM.

....

I see this car like the Hybrid Camry a few sales but won't be a massive sales success.

RG · 18-07-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Supercharged

Maybe but would the Peugots get to where you need to go, their reliability is rubbish.

Really? My Pug disagrees with you. Unfortunately for your argument, my Pug can back its claims up whereas you cannot.

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Originally Posted by EF_6

No match for the ECOLPi in terms of parts costs either I would think... being Le'French and all lol!

You'd be surprised, it's actually cheaper to service my 206 than it ever was on my XR8. At least with Peugeot they do menu set priced servicing so you know what you are up for before going in. Better than Ford hitting you with a rather large unexpected bill at the end.

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Originally Posted by Danny

I would say this car is more a compeditor to VW Passat, 3 Series beemer, Mondeo TDCi Titanium and the like. Falcon and Commodore are in an Aussie built world of their own.

Stating as fact? Based on what experience?

Yawn.

Typical neanderthal responses to every French car thread, showing more often that those hanging off the lowest intellectual rung open their mouths far too often.

LMAO

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Originally Posted by irish2

Australians should not consider any French vehicles after the Muiroa Attol debacle. I will never buy a french vehicle, second hand or new.

And we shouldn't buy Australian vehicles because of what we did to the Aborigniees, Shouldn't buy American vehicles because of what they did to Japan in WWII (plus a few other things along the line), German cars because of WWII, Japanese Cars also WWII.......

I could go on forever.

aussie muscle · 18-07-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FreddyDUZ747

Alot of wifes out their driving what their husbands have suggested to buy.

i'd have thought the other way around

RG · 18-07-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Should Australians consider any motor vehicle built buy a company that openly supported Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime?

Or ones made by a country that murdered Australian civilians when repeatedly bombed Darwin?

Or how about ones made in the only country to commit actual genocide in the last 200 years........

N.B. for those who have little knowledge of history these are Ford, Japan and Australia.

Don't forget the whole forced labour thing that Bayern Motor Werks, more commonly known as BMW, did.

b2tf · 18-07-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RG

Don't forget the whole forced labour thing that Bayern Motor Werks, more commonly known as BMW, did.

Hey those street bums had nothing better to do.

jpd80 · 18-07-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielXR8

The biggest threat to Falcon isn't a French car, but a Korean or Japanese SUV, any size from mid size on up.

You can also start to throw into the mix some of the Korean hatches and sedans too.

No, the biggest threat to Falcon is Ford's apathy that the car is so good it should just sell itself....
The worst thing Ford can assume is that the Falcon remain a traditional big car chained to a past history
instead of a car that moves and changes with the times, whatever that change may require to survive....

2011G6E · 18-07-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielXR8

The biggest threat to Falcon isn't a French car, but a Korean or Japanese SUV, any size from mid size on up.

You can also start to throw into the mix some of the Korean hatches and sedans too.

I'd agree...a couple of the guys at work have a new Hyundai Santa Fe SUV...very comfortable, lots of room inside, spooky highway fuel economy out of the diesel engine (I've been driving for an hour...why hasn't the fuel gauge moved more than two milllimeters...?"

), and plenty of power and torque. it doesn't hurt to look better than the last model, which to be polite had a face like a bag of smashed crabs.

GASWAGON · 18-07-2011, 04:41 PM

'You'd be surprised, it's actually cheaper to service my 206 than it ever was on my XR8.'

Ummm... is'nt a 206 a 4 pot? And it's 'Bevarian' Motor Works!

Yellow_Festiva · 18-07-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_6

'You'd be surprised, it's actually cheaper to service my 206 than it ever was on my XR8.'

Ummm... is'nt a 206 a 4 pot? And it's 'Bevarian' Motor Works!

You mean Bavarian? (Which is the English translation of the German word ;)

Paxton · 18-07-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

You mean Bavarian? (Which is the English translation of the German word ;)

Their actual name (as is stamped on the VIN plate on my BMW) is Bayerische Motoren Werke (literally Bavarian Motor Works).

Yellow_Festiva · 18-07-2011, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Paxton

Their actual name (as is stamped on the VIN plate on my BMW) is Bayerische Motoren Werke (literally Bavarian Motor Works).

I know lol, been to Deutschland myself during the World Cup

(It was spelt with an e in the correction... and seeing as we are splitting hairs over spelling I thought I would jump in and correct the corrector (if that makes sense?)

Danke

Paxton · 18-07-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I know lol, been to Deutschland myself during the World Cup

(It was spelt with an e in the correction... and seeing as we are splitting hairs over spelling I thought I would jump in and correct the corrector (if that makes sense?)

Danke

Keine Sorgen. Ich war mit Ihnen einverstanden.

No Worries, I was agreeing with you.

vhcbm · 18-07-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RG

Really? My Pug disagrees with you. Unfortunately for your argument, my Pug can back its claims up whereas you cannot.

You'd be surprised, it's actually cheaper to service my 206 than it ever was on my XR8. At least with Peugeot they do menu set priced servicing so you know what you are up for before going in. Better than Ford hitting you with a rather large unexpected bill at the end.

If you look at the Falcon equivalent the 407 it cost a bomb to service...for example wiper blades were $100 a set from the dealer.