Shelby GT350R vs Camaro Z28 - Page 2

Blue Roo · 02-12-2015, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

In what way do you want them to match up?

In the same way as you watched in the YouTube Clip. Take them both out on the road for a run and have some fun. Then let them both loose on the track, to see who's got what and which car gets the fastest lap time. Then Finish up with a Quarter Mile Race to see which manufacture Ford or HSV can be crowned as the best all rounder.

Note - Don't let Wheels do the reporting. As they are bias and favour the HSV.

FPV GTHO · 02-12-2015, 07:29 PM

That's not really a relevant comparison though. Even against the Camaro equivalent, the ZL1, they're built for different purposes.

Blue_XR · 02-12-2015, 07:39 PM

This is such a tease as we cannot buy the regular GT350 here. However if Ford could find it in their hearts to let us have this then WOW!!!!!

MAGPIE · 02-12-2015, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

That's not really a relevant comparison though. Even against the Camaro equivalent, the ZL1, they're built for different purposes.

What a crack up

Blue Roo · 02-12-2015, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

That's not really a relevant comparison though. Even against the Camaro equivalent, the ZL1, they're built for different purposes.

Agreed. Even though that both cars are built and set up for two different purposes. Both the Camaro and the Mustang are Todays Muscle Cars with along Racing Heritage on the street and on the track.

99AUXR · 02-12-2015, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FG50T

It can be pretty frustrating driving around a car that revs to 9k that doesn't have any grunt under 3k. Cant drive around streets in mid range revs all the time and it is not an enjoyable drive. The Z28 could be used as a daily driver no problem, the GT350R no..but I would choose it for a weekender.

Those figures under 3k are still great o.O no reason it couldnt be used as a daily.

FPV GTHO · 02-12-2015, 08:42 PM

I wonder if the fuel economy blows out though.

Bossxr8 · 02-12-2015, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FG50T

It can be pretty frustrating driving around a car that revs to 9k that doesn't have any grunt under 3k. Cant drive around streets in mid range revs all the time and it is not an enjoyable drive. The Z28 could be used as a daily driver no problem, the GT350R no..but I would choose it for a weekender.

This would still make more off idle torque than any 4 cylinder buzz box, vct allows such a broad torque curve. I remember seeing figures that even at 2000 rpm it was making decent torque. Sure it won't be to the level of the 427 Camaro but it will make more than 90% of the cars on the road probably. It would be fine. It would be geared accordingly too.

Whitey-AMG · 02-12-2015, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FG50T

It can be pretty frustrating driving around a car that revs to 9k that doesn't have any grunt under 3k. Cant drive around streets in mid range revs all the time and it is not an enjoyable drive. The Z28 could be used as a daily driver no problem, the GT350R no..but I would choose it for a weekender.

The circuit time and the straight line drag shows the GT350R does not suffer from any of this low down torque deficit you speak of. It led at every point in both disciplines. The GT350R is delivering in spades. It looks amazing and sounds amazing. A freaking awesome bit of kit.

FPV GTHO · 02-12-2015, 10:30 PM

That's because on the strip/circuit you only use low revs once. Daily driving you always use it unless you're breaking the speed limits.

99AUXR · 02-12-2015, 10:35 PM

Those torque figures are at WoT in 1 gear.

Throttle position and load will make a big deference and the torque values will be different than displayed on the graph. Im sure the GT350R will be fine on the road, this is also where VCT and especially the fancy manifold on the Voodoo should really help as well. After all they did say ''it was the nicest car to drive on the road so lets head to the racetrack''

Whitey-AMG · 02-12-2015, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

That's because on the strip/circuit you only use low revs once. Daily driving you always use it unless you're breaking the speed limits.

Plenty of hard braking on the track which drops the engine into lower revs / speed and then banging the throttle to get going again. The extra torque of the camaro did not demonstrate any major advantage in speed or time claw back in the low speed corners. The track telemetry was obvious. The standing start also didn't see the camaro waste the mustang on initial take off either. The GT350R is a much better engine despite the on paper deficit. It would easily cope with daily driving....lol.

MethodX · 02-12-2015, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Roo

Method X are you still Trolling around here! I thought you went back to the Dark Side. Sorry I meant Red/Holden Side.

Oh! By the way, Method X. I've just found your new avatar and here it is.

All 3 sides are great.
keep poopin blue....

99AUXR · 02-12-2015, 10:50 PM

Liking multiple car brands is cool. But being a douche about it ain't, so don't try to take the morale high ground.

MethodX · 02-12-2015, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 99AUXR

Liking multiple car brands is cool. But being a douche about it ain't, so don't try to take the morale high ground.

Mega pot meet kettle in here.... ffs

99AUXR · 02-12-2015, 10:54 PM

Fair, comment relates to some here too, including myself when referring to Mr Z..o. Its a great thread with two great cars but as always we always seem to get sidetracked lol.

austyphoon · 02-12-2015, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hulsty

Kinda of a pointless test against the previous gen Camaro

Yep. Here's one against the 2016 Camaro SS.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-...rd-mustang-gt/

Not so pretty. If we're just benchmarking raw numbers, the SS is quite a bit faster.

99AUXR · 02-12-2015, 11:05 PM

Thats only a 5.0 GT and 6.2 Camaro.

**ebxr8240** · 02-12-2015, 11:19 PM

We were lucky enough to be taken for a drive in one when we where there a few months back.. The revs seem limitless..
The 5.2 sounds awesome on dyno ..
The larger F series supercharged alloy 5.4 sounded just as awesome also..
If you ever get to Vegas .. Don't miss going to Shelby ...

Hulsty · 03-12-2015, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by austyphoon

Yep. Here's one against the 2016 Camaro SS.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-...rd-mustang-gt/

Not so pretty. If we're just benchmarking raw numbers, the SS is quite a bit faster.

Thanks, thats a more relevant test of comparable models. Will be interesting to see how the new Z28 compares against the 350R, I think the 350R engine will still edge it out.

FPV GTHO · 03-12-2015, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Plenty of hard braking on the track which drops the engine into lower revs / speed and then banging the throttle to get going again. The extra torque of the camaro did not demonstrate any major advantage in speed or time claw back in the low speed corners. The track telemetry was obvious. The standing start also didn't see the camaro waste the mustang on initial take off either. The GT350R is a much better engine despite the on paper deficit. It would easily cope with daily driving....lol.

How low do you think it would actually get in those conditions? Driving it hard I'd be surprised if it ever had to drop below 4-5000rpm

sprintman1 · 03-12-2015, 09:36 AM

Flat plane crank advantages. Wondering how they got around the vibration issues for a street car?

Whitey-AMG · 03-12-2015, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

How low do you think it would actually get in those conditions? Driving it hard I'd be surprised if it ever had to drop below 4-5000rpm

Doesn't matter . Camaro had heaps more TQ and HP up to those revs anyways. Still didn't give it an advantage. In fact more all the way up to 6500 RPM
Speeds on the circuit were dropping to below 40-50 MPH in many cases.
If mustang was laggy it would have been caught easily considering the engine output numbers.

99AUXR · 03-12-2015, 11:43 AM

If that mustang was below 3.5-4k RPM on the track I would be very suprised.

mick74GT · 03-12-2015, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Roo

I would love to see the GT350R go up against HSV's 430Kw. And I know who's going to win. And it's not going to be the HSV.

I'd love to see that too. But I don't think the result would be as cut and dried as you think... Credit where it's due

FPV GTHO · 03-12-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 99AUXR

If that mustang was below 3.5-4k RPM on the track I would be very suprised.

40mph = 5690rpm

http://www.tremec.com/calculadora.php

8200rpm

ratios:
3.25
2.23
1.61
1.23
1
0.63

3.73 final

315/30/19 tyre

MAGPIE · 03-12-2015, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

The circuit time and the straight line drag shows the GT350R does not suffer from any of this low down torque deficit you speak of. It led at every point in both disciplines. The GT350R is delivering in spades. It looks amazing and sounds amazing. A freaking awesome bit of kit.

Funny that's what I thought, but apparently not. Randy Pobst obviously doesn't know jack about cars, well at least not as much as the keyboard warriors here.

Blue Roo · 03-12-2015, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

All 3 sides are great.
keep poopin blue....

G'Day Method X!
It's good to see you here. As i need a sparring partner and someone who can play the devils advicate. LOL!

1TUFFUTE · 03-12-2015, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Roo

G'Day Method X!
It's good to see you here. As i need a sparring partner and someone who can play the devils advicate. LOL!

I'd prefer less red poop being smeared everywhere just for kicks......

asagaai · 03-12-2015, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Funny that's what I thought, but apparently not. Randy Pobst obviously doesn't know jack about cars, well at least not as much as the keyboard warriors here.

I see no issue discussing as motor tech nerds the aspects of an engine.

The GT350R was a track inspired car, moulded to get a ring time. It has a flat plane engine, which apparently is very responsive, and has incredible capacity to rev out.

Clearly the engine does not make torque and power low down in the rev range in a similar vein to a big cubed v8 or a v8 with super that has maximum rev limit much lower down.

Randy Pobst using the GT350R for time would have had the revs up at all times above 5,000 rpm.

What we are discussing here is using the GT350R in traffic. In gear cruising at say 2,500 it would not have the pickup of a Miami at 2,500 rpm.

But, as some have said, it will have probably more power and torque than a lot of 4 cylinders, so will be driveable, but different driveable to a Miami equipped car.

No such thing as a free lunch in engineering, fact is the GT350R is a special piece of kit, but where you will see it shine is on a racetrack or some deserted country road where you can keep the revs between 5,500 and its redline. Or an a freeway like the M1, where you are prepared to take the consequences....

I read an article where a guy tested the GT350R and he said for normal commuting driving a normal Stang is a better bet as it is less peaky.

Do not know why there is such a backlash about discussing this, the GT350R is a track engineered weapon that was designed for specific intent, and its incredible at that. It can also be used in day to day traffic, but will have compromises in that as a result of what it was designed and engineered to do so well, blast around at high revs ......