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21-07-2016, 08:49 PM | #31 | ||
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23 minute video but the only 2 pre-resto pics look like they were taken by Jaws.
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21-07-2016, 11:44 PM | #32 | |||
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22-07-2016, 08:15 AM | #33 | ||
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There no 2 ways around it , she got ripped off simple! she was better off leaving the car original. Impressive restorations certainly did not live up to there name on this one... 40K spent on a already a clean car should have a mint Result .
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22-07-2016, 10:02 AM | #34 | ||
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22-07-2016, 10:35 AM | #35 | ||
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No matter what amount this chick did/didn't spend... or what the "true value" of a proper resto is... nothing on her car should have come back in worse condition than it was when she handed it over !
It should either have been improved.. or left as is ! Payments for what work did occur, should be a fair amount, equal to the level of workmanship given. The best way to avoid future disputes over what should/shouldn't have happened... is to get what work and to what level... and in what timeframe, in writing... before you hand over the vehicle, and/or any cash ! Much easier to prove a breach of any agreement... if its in writing and signed by all parties. D
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22-07-2016, 11:25 AM | #36 | |||
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I've owned too many old cars that cost me maybe a few thousand $$$ ... I can't comprehend the $$$ people pay for and spend on stuff these days? |
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22-07-2016, 11:27 AM | #37 | ||
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Fully agree that going by the few photos of the car before restoration, the car should have been left original and only cleaned up where needed, blending in with the original car. Not a full blown restoration, especially with a limited budget. Car is now probably worth much less than before starting, with the $40k wasted.
I suspect there could have been a communication problem between the customer and restorer. What the restorer intended to do and the customer expected, could have be quite different if only verbal discussion took place. As Gothefalcon above suggested, work to be done should always be specified in detail on paper and signed copies held by both parties so everyone is 100% clear on what is going to be done and to what standard, as well as cost involved and time frame. Avoid verbal agreements. |
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22-07-2016, 11:51 AM | #38 | ||
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Love it how some are implying the crap work was the owners fault for not paying enough....
It was a sound base to start with by all accounts and this still doesn't excuse the damage, poor prep and missing parts.
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22-07-2016, 01:00 PM | #39 | |||
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But what did the customer ask for originally, and the discussions on price etc then? It would be good to know exactly what happened in these discussions. |
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22-07-2016, 03:56 PM | #40 | ||
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That car has been vandalised by that repairer.
There is no excuse for that poor quality work under any circumstances. It doesn't matter what she paid as he hasn't done anything right. It is highly unlikely he would have done any better had she paid him $80K instead of $40K as he doesn't have the skills to do the work. Is there no licensing for vehicle repairers in WA?
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22-07-2016, 06:25 PM | #41 | ||
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He seems to have stung a few people http://placehours.com/en/australia/m...33163380059381
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22-07-2016, 06:57 PM | #42 | |||
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22-07-2016, 07:12 PM | #43 | ||
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Yeah, who's to say that her car wasn't abducted by aliens, driven around the galaxy for a few hundred years, then transported back in time. Nobody is disputing that we only have her story for the dollar amounts involved. That's not the issue here. What we're saying is that if its true that she paid $37k to Phil, got back that shoddy work, and damaged/missing parts, then she got ripped off. Whereas **** like you are claiming its all her fault because she didn't pay 3 times as much. |
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22-07-2016, 07:15 PM | #44 | ||
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22-07-2016, 07:18 PM | #45 | |||
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but its hard to ask around when apparently all those people who got ripped off my Phil deserved what they got because they didn't give him $100,000. |
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22-07-2016, 08:28 PM | #46 | |||
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"Yup, I got burned too. $40 000 out of pocket and a classic car destroyed. I found my motor and gearbox though, yay .. Had a win pffft!" Like yeah, my car is destroyed and I'm down $40k, but 3 stars and would probably use again. Edit: haha oh just realised this is the person from the video. 3 stars though? |
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22-07-2016, 08:33 PM | #47 | |||
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22-07-2016, 10:45 PM | #48 | |||
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Anyone that has will understand and know that 37K does not even cover panel-work and paint in most cases, yes you do get what you pay for, you can't go and pay 37K and expect 120K worth of work. What you need to understand is that a drive in drive out resto of a complete and reasonable car runs into around 100K MINIMUM in some cases well over 100K, you can see that she can only get so much for 37K. My coupe cost more that 37K just in parts, not counting engine/driveline, trim, assembly and stripping, paint, wheels, etc etc. and that is me doing most of the work and all stripping and assembly. Unless you have restored an old car your comments are probably pointless as really unless you have been through the process you have no idea of what is involved. And again we are not privy to the conversations involved, and again anyone that thinks they get a car restored for 37K.....if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. If it was as easy as taking an old car to a restorer and handing over 37 K and picking up a mint restored classic everyone would be doing it. Thats why I been going for around 8 years with my restoration that cost me probably double that and still going....
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23-07-2016, 12:00 AM | #49 | |||
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23-07-2016, 04:51 AM | #50 | ||
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Is she sure it's the same car? With different colour boot with old paint and different plates under hers, it started to look like he jacked up the numbeer plates and swapped the original survivor for some pi$$ poor back yard resto he found somewhere which he then hands back. I'd be checking the vin and body numbers to make sure they're actually correct and not messed with. Go to the workshop and check in the shipping container out the side or the old shed down the back or the old paint booth that's not used any more etc... and make sure her real car isn't tucked away under a tarp somewhere.
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23-07-2016, 07:11 AM | #51 | |||
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But lest face it in the space of 2 days a link that would have me running screaming away from this clown has been posted I feel for the lady, she's shelled out good money (perhaps not enough for a full ground up resto) but good money all the same. I certainly couldn't write a cheque for 37k and not do research first, ask around the club, friends, I've just done a quick google search and aside from a glowing advertorial on the classic cars guys site it's a see of ****ed off people. I'm still not saying she got what she paid for or any of that but don't you ask a few questions before writing a cheque for this kind of money, hell I know people who don't earn this much money a year
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25-09-2016, 06:55 AM | #52 | ||
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I felt a little sick when I saw the "before" pictures. I`ve been looking for a survivor like that for ages.... now there is one less.... ****** ****** F**ken ******.
I didn`t watch all of the Vid.... I just couldn`t. |
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25-09-2016, 09:05 AM | #53 | ||
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This brings back some pain. The engine and gearbox went missing from my VG Pacer while in Andy Barnes' workshop in Perth, he went broke, I have no recourse. Not a normal engine either by the way, lots of all the good stuff in a 340 stroked to 408 and rare steel case Supra Turbo five speed with a one-off bellhousing made to mate the Supra box up to the 340. Car now sits in a mates shed and has done for about seven years, with no engine or gearbox. Just a rolling shell, with all new custom suspension, nine inch and big brakes with Brembo calipers etc. but missing its heart, and with me now living on the other side of Australia it's just all too hard to deal with, so I keep paying rego on a car with no engine that I haven't seen for over seven years.... Nightmare.
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25-09-2016, 12:04 PM | #54 | |||
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25-09-2016, 02:26 PM | #55 | |||
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I agree with what you're saying, in this case though if the shop has agreed to all the work and charge 40k then that's on them. Work should still be quality, and there is really no excuse for losing parts. And workmanship,is pretty terrible. Going by the before photos I don't see why she would have wanted a full resto? Looked like a very clean survivor As tney say though, two sides to every story. |
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25-09-2016, 05:50 PM | #57 | ||
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When will people ever learn?
Good original survivor cars in honest useable condition are a gift! A gift of sometimes up to 40 plus years of love, care and nuture by various custodians. When you decide that some of those scratches and pitting (that add character and patina) are just too much for you, don't flush 40 years of history and millions of $$$ R&D that the orig manufacturer invested in OEM parts and assembly down the toilet. Maybe deal with your OCD in a constructive manner and offload your classic to a new owner who would appreciate it, and just head down to the new car dealership and buy something shiny and new in 2016! This may just be the car gods dishing out justice to clueless owners of great survivors cars! Cheers, Dave |
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25-09-2016, 06:07 PM | #58 | ||
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It's a shame but let's face it, the "restorer" saw her coming a mile off and knew some easy money was walking in the door. The customer was most likely totally ignorant about the work she paid for and ultimately that was her undoing.
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26-09-2016, 06:22 AM | #59 | ||
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It is licenced as a V8 etc. so if I ever sell it or put an engine back in it much easier to go the V8 route by keeping the rego with the v8 engine listed on it etc. But yes the way rego has gone up in WA, it's been expensive to do. I try not to think about it for the most part.
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06-01-2021, 11:16 PM | #60 | |||
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I see consumer affairs eventually closed him down https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/annou...storations-pty
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