Class action against Toyota

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Romulus

There’s a cultural issue visible with this manufacturer. Deny everything to save face. Reminds me of Fukushima, on a smaller scale obviously.

also: hiding the result of the Battle of Midway

[.:4:.]

The grounds on which i got a lovely warning from the epa from a concerned citizen, was exessive smoke for more then 2 seconds. I was driving to the mechanics with a split intercooler in the non dpf equiped ranger i drive. And yes, i find it unpleasant driving behind typically newish hiluxs pumping out smoke. To be fair though, before the numpty called the epa, they did call my office, being a sign written car, its not hard to get the office number, but the only phone call i got was from the admin lady having a laugh about the complaint. Hence the further warning.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

The grounds on which i got a lovely warning from the epa from a concerned citizen, was exessive smoke for more then 2 seconds. I was driving to the mechanics with a split intercooler in the non dpf equiped ranger i drive. And yes, i find it unpleasant driving behind typically newish hiluxs pumping out smoke. To be fair though, before the numpty called the epa, they did call my office, being a sign written car, its not hard to get the office number, but the only phone call i got was from the admin lady having a laugh about the complaint. Hence the further warning.

I'm sure the smoke law is 10 seconds

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I'm sure the smoke law is 10 seconds

Either way, the ute was pumping out the black smoke.

[fiestaz]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I drive for a gig and I have not seen this white smoke once, not once and where I drive the majority of the time is an area of high Asian content where every second car is a Toyota of some kind.

Whilst im not saying its not a real issue, I don't think its as wide spread as many are portraying and if its not every example doing it, its either not a design fault or they'd all do it at some stage, or its to do with how its being driven.
Im leaning towards the latter by simple logic.

Does anyone know if the manual switch fitted by Toyota is doing the job?

I’ve seen hundreds since they were released. Including prados. Horrific to sit behind. Is like a smoke screen. And to add to it, it absolutely stinks.

[Falcon SXR8]

Parents have a fortuner, has 70 000 on the clock and has had 0 dpf problems. Its a country car. Dpf's are an issue for a lot of manufacturers at the moment, they are rubbish tech only on these motors for emission purposes. People expect to just turn the key in their new fancy dpf equipped vehicles and ride off into the sunset, unfortunately those carefree days are over, you have to learn how to look after them and no doubt down the track they will still stab ya in the back.

[Godzilla73]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Does anyone know if the manual switch fitted by Toyota is doing the job?

The switch doesn't do what 99% of punters think it does by that I mean, initiate a burn anytime you like. It can only start one once the dash light comes on, it essentially only aids you in getting it to a dealer.

It was never offered as a retro fit in the "this is not a recall letter" either, it can be requested but is assessed on a case by case basis by Toyota.

You can initiate a burn anytime with Torque Pro though.

Having said all that, my work Hilux has been working as intended. Used 90% city 10% freeway.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by fiestaz

I’ve seen hundreds since they were released. Including prados. Horrific to sit behind. Is like a smoke screen. And to add to it, it absolutely stinks.

Fair enough, I see you live in Sydney, perhaps its the constant crawl that causes issues, I live on Adelaide's fringes and our traffic is nothing like the bigger cities even in peak hour traffic so perhaps its sensitive to environment.

Will be interesting to see how it unfolds in any case, certainly hasn't hurt their numbers drastically at this stage.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Godzilla73

The switch doesn't do what 99% of punters think it does by that I mean, initiate a burn anytime you like. It can only start one once the dash light comes on, it essentially only aids you in getting it to a dealer.

That's pretty much the way it works on our buses, light comes on and you pull over and initiate the burn though its not about getting you to a dealer, its just how it works on them from what I can gather.
The problems arise when you ignore the light.

[DMXR6T]

Had XF Jag with 2.2 diesel in Singapore. 3 years mostly urban traffic and no DPF problems. This is not a problem with all diesels, only this series if Toyota diesels. Have heard about thus problem for some time.

[hayseed]

https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota...rticleResults3

[mitch]

I havnt seen any prados smoking, but I have seen half a dozen bright, shiney new hiluxes sitting at the traffic lights smoking. And when they take off with the green, its like someone throwing wet grass onto a fire, the smoke is shocking.
Feel a bit sorry for them,when you catch them at the next set of lights and they are looking around with embarrassment at everyone watching their pride and joy puffing more than a 1930s locomotive.

I live south of Perth, and have not seen the hiluxes on the Northlink project that Romulus has mentioned in his post.
But a number of hiluxes the cops run around here in are always smoking.
I have seen them at jobs talking to "customers". while their utes are puffing away like someone has dropped a hand full of oily rags onto their tailpipes.

I would imagine these utes would suffer a bit more as they idle for a prolonged time during shifts

[mike_nofx]

Wait... you mean people who buy diesel work Utes designed for commercial usage are finding issues with them when they’re just driving them around the corner to the grocery store and to kids soccer practice, never allowing them to heat up?

No way.

[Sprintey]

Article says they are actually copping EPA fines for a factory 'feature' of the vehicle. Wow.

Imagine the advertising opportunity:

"Tame the Wild West and have the thrill of a brush with the Law"

[cheap]

There is some irony to this, my TTD V8 Land Cruiser is pre-DPF, when I floor it there is a lot of black smoke emitted - I'd assume perfectly legal.

[Sprintey]

Which model year is yours cheap? What year did they become DPF?

[cheap]

MY16 was the first DPF’s and many of that first batch of MY16 200’s had injector issues which were fixed under warranty. My truck is MY15 the last non DPF.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by cheap

There is some irony to this, my TTD V8 Land Cruiser is pre-DPF, when I floor it there is a lot of black smoke emitted - I'd assume perfectly legal.

I believe any smoke is illegal, regs don’t specify colour. Water vapour or condensation is allowed

[Brazen]

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[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by stefcio007

Why doesn't every diesel have this? Seems like an extremely useful thing to have if you end up doing more city driving start-stop for whatever reason.

Because people are generally becoming less 'car technically savvy' by the day.

What are the terms and conditions of the manual over ride? How many km between uses? At what temperature? At what RPM?

You would be very surprised to know how many people have no clue where the coolant goes, where their spare is kept, what PSI range they should run their tyres at, hell, even the difference between fresh air and re-circulate for the vents.

Relying on an average user to do that much thinking on a critical component of the car is asking for trouble.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Brazen

I believe any smoke is illegal, regs don’t specify colour.

10 secs is allowable in NSW.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

The only class action that works is at the dealer show room.
If people keep buying them, and it is the #1 selling vehicle in the country, then there is no problem to fix.

Problem is most people have no idea about the mechanical parts of their cars. My brother bought a diesel van last week. He had no idea what a DPF was until I told him. Salesman didn’t say a word.
He uses it for work all day around town. The engine will probably get hot enough, but he probably won’t drive fast and long enough to burn it off.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Relying on an average user to do that much thinking on a critical component of the car is asking for trouble.

Most don't even know how to park a car these days.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Most don't even know how to park a car these days.

Parking? - there is a fancy button on the dash that you press to do that for you now as well lol....

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Parking? - there is a fancy button on the dash that you press to do that for you now as well lol....

Haven't got that button, but I have a fancy buzzer that says get the hell out of my way "I'm coming back".

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Wait... you mean people who buy diesel work Utes designed for commercial usage are finding issues with them when they’re just driving them around the corner to the grocery store and to kids soccer practice, never allowing them to heat up?

No way.

It's an issue with the vehicle, not the way it's driven. The problem still occurs on cars that have met the required conditions for a burn off. Toyota also fitted a burn off switch to the dash, but it hasn't fixed the problem.

If it wasn't that it was a genuine issue with the Toyotas, all new diesel vehicles would do it, cause a lot of drivers don't ever get them to burn off conditions, and they don't have the widespread issues Toyota drivers do.

But I get what you are saying and many new diesel owners have no clue about dpf issues, and what is required to prevent them.