Used Dual cab sub $20k budget

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

You can't honestly be that stupid

So Mr super smart man,you tell me what is different in the way the two companies build their vehicles.You seem to reckon one company is crap if they use bought in components and the other is good because they use bought in components.You probably didn’t know it,but Australian car makers also used bought in components such as electrics,transmissions,brakes,glass,fabrics etc.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

So do you use the same criterea to determine whether trucks are good or otherwise?.Pretty sure Kenworth build their trucks using bought in components?

Quite a few Kenworth components are made here in Australia. Drivetrains on the other hand are US built.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Quite a few Kenworth components are made here in Australia. Drivetrains on the other hand are US built.

Yeah I know that,but Crazy is in W.A so probably doesn’t know these things.

[roKWiz]

Not sure I would want a Chinese Cummins, do they even have liners in them these days.
Seems most dual cab ute diesel engines cheapen out by not installing them.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Not sure I would want a Chinese Cummins, do they even have liners in them these days.
Seems most dual cab ute diesel engines cheapen out by not installing them.

I don’t know about that,but we are really talking different types of vehicles where we have mainly domestic type use where if we get 3-400k nearly everyone is quite happy,whereas the big commercials expect to get at least a million kms before their rebuilds.Bit different price point too where a new 4 cyl ute engine is probably $ 6-8k for new whereas $50k for a bigger version

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

So given they had to buy in all those components, you can imagine how completely **** are the bits they built themselves.

Actually, If You had an Open Minded Objective Look at them! You might Be surprised.


The Chassis is an Exact Copy of the previous generation Hilux. So all your suspension parts, lift kits ect are readily (& cheaply) available.
As for the Foton built bits read the review that Franco put a link to. (here it is again)

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...review-102140/

And Franco a 2017 upgrade includes 4 Wheel Disk Brakes..!!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Not sure I would want a Chinese Cummins, do they even have liners in them these days.
Seems most dual cab ute diesel engines cheapen out by not installing them.

That ISF series engine is designed for those light trucks like the Jap ones, I'd assume it's not some cheap POS even though it comes out of China.

Has Bosch electronics, would be good to have a fiddle with I reckon.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by hayseed

And Franco a 2017 upgrade includes 4 Wheel Disk Brakes..!!

It's about damn time, move over Thailand specials it's the age of the China Specials

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Not sure I would want a Chinese Cummins,

Apart From the ISF range, the New 12 Litre X12 is Chinese Built. Pretty sure some of the B series are also built there.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

So Mr super smart man,you tell me what is different in the way the two companies build their vehicles.

I can't believe you're comparing Kenworth to Foton.
But feel free to keep carrying on..

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Actually, If You had an Open Minded Objective Look at them! You might Be surprised.

I have and I wasn't.

As I said, everything is a good buy at the right price. What they're selling for in dealers is not, but if you can pick one up cheap at auction or privately then go for it.

[Crazy Dazz]

I routinely buy dual-cabs for work. In the past I've bought entire fleets.
Once you get people out of their "..Must....Buy...Toyota.." mode, we don't care about badges, and we don't worry about resale, as they are really stuffed by the time we finish with them.

Big difference for us I suppose is that reliability and ease of repair are critical. Labour on site is extremely expensive, and down-time is also problematic. We look at a variety of options for pricing parts, and generally speaking there is a lack of support for these newer brands.
And when we look at the total cost of ownership over the life of the vehicle, they don't come out in front.

I remember back when Isuzu had just started selling the D-Max here. I was looking at a major fleet purchase for a mine near Kal. We were really impressed with the D-Max, and its pricing, but local support consisted of a used car dealer wo had been given the Isuzu franchise. He had no clue about parts support, so in the end we went with the then Ford Ranger (that was then just a rebadged Mazda)

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

That ISF series engine is designed for those light trucks like the Jap ones, I'd assume it's not some cheap POS even though it comes out of China.

Has Bosch electronics, would be good to have a fiddle with I reckon.

Yes fully aware of that, was looking recently at the ISF 3.8lt JAC in the 6T range.
It looked good on paper but, Nah, with a shipping container full of spares now, I can rebuilt my Aussie/Jap Ford Traders several times over before needing one of these electronic piles of crap.
I would however be interested in buying the S cam equipped Dana front and rear axles.

SMF in India have redesigned the Trader cab/chassis and parts availability.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

I can't believe you're comparing Kenworth to Foton.
But feel free to keep carrying on..

Not able to answer my question!!!????

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Apart From the ISF range, the New 12 Litre X12 is Chinese Built. Pretty sure some of the B series are also built there.

B series aren't road legal anymore in the West. Now sold as an industrial engine.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

generally speaking there is a lack of support for these newer brands.

Very True, a Good Dealer makes a Huge Difference to the Ownership experience of the Minor Brands..

[MercuryT]

Brand new Great Wall dual cab.

5 year warranty.

20K drive away.

They aren't brilliant but get the basic job done and I'd rather over a 10yo outdated Ute with a million K's.

[XR Martin]

What about a Crewman V8?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

What about a Crewman V8?

The only people you're going to fit in the back of those things are midgets with both legs amputated

[jgmdat]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Ok guys, help me out, I've decided to move the Territory on and replace it with a dual cab, budget is sub $20k, probably closer to $15k would be ideal to allow for extra's ie. trailer brakes and Anderson plug to pull the camper.

The ute market has gone crazy recently, they're asking ridiculous money for high mileage junk and things like D40 Navara's with mid 250k's makes me nervous considering the horror stories you hear.

So I've looked at a few, started off in the lower price range with a 2009 PJ Ranger, nice rig, silver, 220k's, auto, a few marks $13k drove real nice except for a rough 3-4 change.
My Wife likes the PX model due to the more contoured look but unfortunately the only versions in our price range are 2013 models in 4x2 XL Highrider trim with the 2.2l, are these any good, I can get a nice one with just over 200k's with canopy for around $16k.

Im not too keen on buying privately as I don't want to mess around with checking on money owing etc, and would like a 3mth warranty for peace of mind so caryards it is.
What do you guys suggest I should be looking for in that budget.

Why not take the TITANIUM PICANTO GT LINE to a shop and get them to turn it into a dual cab, probably only cost about 4-5K

[EDManual]

Get a DMAX, from 2013 onwards. they are MUCH better than the older ones, and rodeos of the previous years. They have all the side airbags etc as standard.

Like this one :
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-6640656/?Cr=3

Just stick some wheels on it and its a great ute.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The only people you're going to fit in the back of those things are midgets with both legs amputated

No different than any other dual cab of that era/price range.

Crewman will hold its value too.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jgmdat

Why not take the TITANIUM PICANTO GT LINE to a shop and get them to turn it into a dual cab, probably only cost about 4-5K

Could have, if the Wife hadn't already taken it to a dealer and converted it into a current model ASX, but thanks for reminding me to update my sig.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by PG2

BENT_8

Are you trading the Territory in or selling it privately?

Will the value of the Territory dictate your budget?

Sold it privately, first person to look at it bought it, didnt even haggle and i got more than i paid for it 18mths ago, probably could have asked more tbh.

Bit of a catch 22 really, got more for the Territory due to low supply but now looking at top dollar to replace it with an equally low supply ute.
The more i think about what you get for your money in utes right now the more i like the idea of getting a dedicated weekend 4x4 for half the budget and a cheap runabout for work until supply and prices fall back inline.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

No different than any other dual cab of that era/price range.

Crewman will hold its value too.

I considered a crewman but as i dont want a V8 it rules out the VZ due to Alloytec rubbish and cant find a good VY example locally, plus the seats and plastics are generally flogged out in that era Commodore by now.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

The more i think about what you get for your money in utes right now the more i like the idea of getting a dedicated weekend 4x4 for half the budget and a cheap runabout for work until supply and prices fall back inline.

If you’re interested, a part-time colleague has a “tradie ready” trayback ‘99 Hilux 2WD std cab with decent motor. Small inverter, tonneau, gal toolboxes, stock body (mature owner). This would give you genuine small works ute ability and the 6x8 tray for real life items (eg, 3-seater sofa). Only shortcoming IMO is no rear rack.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I considered a crewman but as i dont want a V8

Im sorry, do your parents know...?

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The only people you're going to fit in the back of those things are midgets with both legs amputated

A friend's brother worked for HSV. In the company, the Cross 8 was known as the Cross 3. Those 3 sitting in the back were always cross with having to be there

And that was within the company

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

A friend's brother worked for HSV. In the company, the Cross 8 was known as the Cross 3. Those 3 sitting in the back were always cross with having to be there

And that was within the company

The Crewman were an absolute hack job, cobbled together from bit and pieces from the various Commodore bodies. The amount of shut-lines and trims covering weld points was almost hilarious. I drove one for about 5 min, that was enough, it drove worse than my agricultural PK Ranger.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

So given they had to buy in all those components, you can imagine how completely **** are the bits they built themselves.

They don't "buy in " those components , they build them under agreement with those companies . With new entrants to the market , one way to build acceptance is to mention few established names that supplied expertise to build major components of the vehicle.