Ford Ranger PXII & PXII Electric Steering

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I am working with the panel beater on getting the car ok to drive while they wait for the steering rack, he doesn't really want to 'double handle' and I get that, but a drivable car sitting for months is not going to happen

He did say this morning that Ford have advised them that there is one coming Friday for another Ranger they have sitting there waiting for a rack - but he said it is a wait and see game, he is not convinced it will show up

Well sounds like your post is bit misleading, Ford is not saying parts are no longer available, just saying on back order which happens a lot with most manufacturer's, which also means delays which is something common these days.

Have you tried contacting Ford directly with your concerns or just relying on hearsay?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Well sounds like your post is bit misleading, Ford is not saying parts are no longer available, just saying on back order which happens a lot with most manufacturer's, which also means delays which is something common these days.

Have you tried contacting Ford directly with your concerns or just relying on hearsay?

What usually happens before something goes NLA is it sits on 'back order' indefinitely with the ETA moving out month by month by month by month.

Yeah it'll be there Friday,

then Friday comes,

Sorry, it'll be there end of the month

Then it doesn't turn up

Oh end of next month

Oh the month after

Oh yeah we'll see it by end of June,

Oh its obsolete/NLA

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What usually happens before something goes NLA is it sits on 'back order' indefinitely with the ETA moving out month by month by month by month.

Yeah it'll be there Friday,

then Friday comes,

Sorry, it'll be there end of the month

Then it doesn't turn up

Oh end of next month

Oh the month after

Oh yeah we'll see it by end of June,

Oh its obsolete/NLA

I understand that, but Trevor's PXII mode electrical steering has certainly carried over into the PXIII models which only ceased in 2022, being a vehicle manufactured in Thailand I think you will find it will be a shortage of parts available.
I experienced this myself with my 2012 model when it was recently new, some parts had to be shipped in due to shortages when I had a warranty issue.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Well sounds like your post is bit misleading, Ford is not saying parts are no longer available, just saying on back order which happens a lot with most manufacturer's, which also means delays which is something common these days.

Have you tried contacting Ford directly with your concerns or just relying on hearsay?

contacted Ford and info is from a VERY reliable source

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Well sounds like your post is bit misleading, Ford is not saying parts are no longer available, just saying on back order which happens a lot with most manufacturer's, which also means delays which is something common these days.

Have you tried contacting Ford directly with your concerns or just relying on hearsay?

Nothing misleading about my post what so ever, I have been very clear, maybe it is just your comprehension?

they are not going to say they won't supply parts, that would not be a good look would it?

Why not let local manufacturers who have the ability to make them, make them?

[Citroënbender]

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/385123481445

They’re an interesting design - is it one of the cogged belt types where the driven end then acts on a fairly coarse helix outside of the rack proper?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Nothing misleading about my post what so ever, I have been very clear, maybe it is just your comprehension?

they are not going to say they won't supply parts, that would not be a good look would it?

Why not let local manufacturers who have the ability to make them, make them?

Because it has to go through engineering approvals by Ford's engineers, if its not the supplier to Ford they used when they built the cars which got the approval, the OEMs won't ever approve anything for fitment to their vehicles aside from what it came out of their factory with that got the approvals.

The supplier doesn't make them anymore then its game over, either Ford puts the resources into going through the approvals on a new product or they make it NLA, given they don't make the car anymore its not a problem for Ford.

You're caught up in an administration feedback loop, if the insurance company won't fit something other than what Ford supplies, but Ford has no supply then I think the next step is push for the car to be written off.

[Citroënbender]

The seatbelt issues like I worked through recently showed a few of those paths.

• BA Falcon OSF belt (OEM) - NLA
• Alternative approved item, offered via Ford parts suppliers
• Independently engineered rebuild with serialised identification and unique certificate of conformity

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Because it has to go through engineering approvals by Ford's engineers, if its not the supplier to Ford they used when they built the cars which got the approval, the OEMs won't ever approve anything for fitment to their vehicles aside from what it came out of their factory with that got the approvals.

The supplier doesn't make them anymore then its game over, either Ford puts the resources into going through the approvals on a new product or they make it NLA, given they don't make the car anymore its not a problem for Ford.

You're caught up in an administration feedback loop, if the insurance company won't fit something other than what Ford supplies, but Ford has no supply then I think the next step is push for the car to be written off.

im not sure of thick or trolling with wanting local dudes manufacture a couple of racks

im leaning towards thick and trolling

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Because it has to go through engineering approvals by Ford's engineers, if its not the supplier to Ford they used when they built the cars which got the approval, the OEMs won't ever approve anything for fitment to their vehicles aside from what it came out of their factory with that got the approvals.

The supplier doesn't make them anymore then its game over, either Ford puts the resources into going through the approvals on a new product or they make it NLA, given they don't make the car anymore its not a problem for Ford.

You're caught up in an administration feedback loop, if the insurance company won't fit something other than what Ford supplies, but Ford has no supply then I think the next step is push for the car to be written off.

Just to jump in here re out sourcing supply.
The ongoing diff replacements on the countless Falcons once the Dana stock piled supplied rubbish ones after 2016 dried up a lot of approved outsourcing was approved by Ford to satisfy annoyed Falcon customers.
In fact I rejected the Dana replacement and the dealer dealing with Ford Melb approved a diff specialist in Melb to build one and supply ship back to Sydney.
I wasn’t alone I know from quite a few sources in the know.
They can get this action set pretty quick tbh if they pulled their finger out instead of being slack and hiding behind shipment delays or it’s in order yadda yadda.

Trev have you tried Ford Care or assist whatever they are called.


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[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Nothing misleading about my post what so ever, I have been very clear, maybe it is just your comprehension?

they are not going to say they won't supply parts, that would not be a good look would it?

Why not let local manufacturers who have the ability to make them, make them?

Why don't you ask them yourself? you the one assuming they will not supply the steering racks without proof.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Me

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/385123481445

They’re an interesting design - is it one of the cogged belt types where the driven end then acts on a fairly coarse helix outside of the rack proper?

Indeed, the following link shows a bit of the internals. Bosch would have licenced the product from Taiwan.

https://www.bosch-mobility-solutions...ve-servo-unit/

If not peened together there seems possibility of cannibalising one to fix another. It doesn’t show a release mechanism for shock or excess external load, perhaps why the subject unit is now “clicking”.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I think whats happening is the suppler tells Ford that they're not making them anymore and then it takes a while for the information to get down to the spare parts level so all the back orders keep coming in until the official NLA comes in. Or Ford could be searching for an alternative supplier/option and still keeping it open.

Or it could just be supply chain issues, but its more on the fishy scale to me.

I can still buy genuine GM oil/air/fuel filters for my Caprice and its 26 years old, plus a bunch of other genuine parts for it so I guess the 'reasonable time' depends on internal policy.

I can still buy a genuine oil filter for an XK Falcon. It means jack because the aftermarket makes them too. They only sell them because they can an easy profit off it.

How are you going buying that Caprice rear garnish?

Manufacturers don't give 2 ****s about old cars, they only want to keep the bits in stock that are easy to get/make and they can make money from.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I can still buy a genuine oil filter for an XK Falcon. It means jack because the aftermarket makes them too. They only sell them because they can an easy profit off it.

How are you going buying that Caprice rear garnish?

Manufacturers don't give 2 ****s about old cars, they only want to keep the bits in stock that are easy to get/make and they can make money from.

Whoopdie do, I can't get the rear plastic garnish for my Caprice particularly the series II variant where they only made 500-odd cars.

But I can still get genuine steering and suspension components, complete wheel hub assemblies, bearings, reco trans, engine and trans mounts, AC compressor and condenser, ALL the sensors on the engine, reconditioned factory ECU, ignition coil and lead set, the belts, water pump, thermostat, all the cooling hoses and radiator.

All through my local former Holden dealership and all genuine parts, for a car they stopped making the engine 23 years ago for a brand that doesn't even exist anymore

Go call your Ford dealership and ask for any of the above for an EF Falcon and let me know how you go, maybe they might have an EF Falcon steering rack sitting out the back

GM supports it's products MUCH better in the aftermarket than Ford ever has.

Sure that list isn't exhaustive but it's a damn sight better than others.

[BENT_8]

I dont know why you bother offering advice in the open forum Franco, unless its pro Ford its not worth the drama.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Whoopdie do, I can't get the rear plastic garnish for my Caprice particularly the series II variant where they only made 500-odd cars.

But I can still get genuine steering and suspension components, complete wheel hub assemblies, bearings, reco trans, engine and trans mounts, AC compressor and condenser, ALL the sensors on the engine, reconditioned factory ECU, ignition coil and lead set, the belts, water pump, thermostat, all the cooling hoses and radiator.

All through my local former Holden dealership and all genuine parts, for a car they stopped making the engine 23 years ago for a brand that doesn't even exist anymore

Go call your Ford dealership and ask for any of the above for an EF Falcon and let me know how you go, maybe they might have an EF Falcon steering rack sitting out the back

GM supports it's products MUCH better in the aftermarket than Ford ever has.

Sure that list isn't exhaustive but it's a damn sight better than others.

Does Gm Gmsv whatever they are called today have a national parts warehouse in Aus?
Its quite incredible really that you can get parts for an old car like that.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Whoopdie do, I can't get the rear plastic garnish for my Caprice particularly the series II variant where they only made 500-odd cars.

But I can still get genuine steering and suspension components, complete wheel hub assemblies, bearings, reco trans, engine and trans mounts, AC compressor and condenser, ALL the sensors on the engine, reconditioned factory ECU, ignition coil and lead set, the belts, water pump, thermostat, all the cooling hoses and radiator.

All through my local former Holden dealership and all genuine parts, for a car they stopped making the engine 23 years ago for a brand that doesn't even exist anymore

Go call your Ford dealership and ask for any of the above for an EF Falcon and let me know how you go, maybe they might have an EF Falcon steering rack sitting out the back

GM supports it's products MUCH better in the aftermarket than Ford ever has.

Sure that list isn't exhaustive but it's a damn sight better than others.

Which is exactly my point. The stuff that is in the most demand is the stuff they will stock.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by kevino

Does Gm Gmsv whatever they are called today have a national parts warehouse in Aus?
Its quite incredible really that you can get parts for an old car like that.

Yes "Holden" still have a national parts warehouse and still supply dealers with spare parts who then supply trade / panel shops.

[FTE217]

Dont also forget re Holden, Rare Spares have always carried the Aftermarket barrow way way better in Holden parts compared to Ford product barring Xseries and bought out alot or most of the GM spare parts left over inventory before closure, if I recall right they did buy some OE Ford inventory as well 2016 of just before.
For years they have been outsourcing product made in Asia but also had stocks of OE product till sold out.
Bossxr8, mentioning most in demand, maybe not as popular as SS for eg but for years I have mentioned to Rares WHY don't they do more for Tickford specific product lines.
I could go back 10yrs+ mentioning it to them.
Alot is common re decals/badges let alone other consumable lines.

You can find alot of OE spec consumables for the Falcons online as people know but I question why so many people are hell bent it must be OE specifically filters.
That product isn't rocket science, most Aftermarket ones as good or better than OE when buying the known brands.
Ryco for eg, they were OE as we know, does anyone think their current product isn't to the standards they used to produce here for the OE's, ofcourse not, they still have a R&D, test facilities just as their OE days.

Anyway wonder how Trev is going.
It sure is ridiculous not being able to get a rack for a Ranger not even 10yrs old from memory considering how many were sold with the same rack.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Dont also forget re Holden, Rare Spares have always carried the Aftermarket barrow way way better in Holden parts compared to Ford product barring Xseries and bought out alot or most of the GM spare parts left over inventory before closure, if I recall right they did buy some OE Ford inventory as well 2016 of just before.
For years they have been outsourcing product made in Asia but also had stocks of OE product till sold out.
Bossxr8, mentioning most in demand, maybe not as popular as SS for eg but for years I have mentioned to Rares WHY don't they do more for Tickford specific product lines.
I could go back 10yrs+ mentioning it to them.
Alot is common re decals/badges let alone other consumable lines.

You can find alot of OE spec consumables for the Falcons online as people know but I question why so many people are hell bent it must be OE specifically filters.
That product isn't rocket science, most Aftermarket ones as good or better than OE when buying the known brands.
Ryco for eg, they were OE as we know, does anyone think their current product isn't to the standards they used to produce here for the OE's, ofcourse not, they still have a R&D, test facilities just as their OE days.

Anyway wonder how Trev is going.
It sure is ridiculous not being able to get a rack for a Ranger not even 10yrs old from memory considering how many were sold with the same rack.

Yep Rare Spares and GMH goes back along way which also included their involvement with my favourite late 70's hangout, American Auto Parts Homebush. (later Prospect)



I hope Trev gets it sorted soon.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Dont also forget re Holden, Rare Spares have always carried the Aftermarket barrow way way better in Holden parts compared to Ford product barring Xseries and bought out alot or most of the GM spare parts left over inventory before closure, if I recall right they did buy some OE Ford inventory as well 2016 of just before.
For years they have been outsourcing product made in Asia but also had stocks of OE product till sold out.
Bossxr8, mentioning most in demand, maybe not as popular as SS for eg but for years I have mentioned to Rares WHY don't they do more for Tickford specific product lines.
I could go back 10yrs+ mentioning it to them.
Alot is common re decals/badges let alone other consumable lines.

You can find alot of OE spec consumables for the Falcons online as people know but I question why so many people are hell bent it must be OE specifically filters.
That product isn't rocket science, most Aftermarket ones as good or better than OE when buying the known brands.
Ryco for eg, they were OE as we know, does anyone think their current product isn't to the standards they used to produce here for the OE's, ofcourse not, they still have a R&D, test facilities just as their OE days.

Anyway wonder how Trev is going.
It sure is ridiculous not being able to get a rack for a Ranger not even 10yrs old from memory considering how many were sold with the same rack.

You aren't the only one asking why Rare Spares aren't doing more Ford stuff. Especially E series onwards. There is a big enough market there surely.

That and I want a new door seal for my NL, and you can't get them new, no one makes them, and second hand ones that aren't torn are hens teeth.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

You aren't the only one asking why Rare Spares aren't doing more Ford stuff. Especially E series onwards. There is a big enough market there surely.

That and I want a new door seal for my NL, and you can't get them new, no one makes them, and second hand ones that aren't torn are hens teeth.

Don't worry they're getting there.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Yep Rare Spares and GMH goes back along way which also included their involvement with my favourite late 70's hangout, American Auto Parts Homebush. (later Prospect)

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I hope Trev gets it sorted soon.

yer nice memories used to frequent the place alot as well for business and pleasure.
Pity they sold out but when your shown the money after so long you got to take it.
Lynx Engineering up the road further and then Rocket.

Hey maybe Rares already have Ranger re manufactured steering racks lol......
Rares Recent model Ranger Spares
Sorry Trev.

Hey twev hows this thread going for ya ?

[prktkljokr]

Probably already sorted but Check your PDS, pretty sure most have a mention about the claim settling process and timeframe.

Hit the insurer up, tell them you feel the vehicle is unsafe to drive, seeing it cant be fixed in a sufficient time frame because of said part on backorder with no ETA, a Hire car of the same size and towing ability is required until the backordered part arrives and can be fitted.

Or if they are willing to fit a good second hand unit until the new one arrives and can be fitted so you can continue to drive without too much more inconvenience.

Great answer cheers.

[GTLEGEND]

I Have some good contacts in Ford parts, if you pass on the part number you are chasing or your VIN, I can try and look for you. What dealer was it ordered through?

[Trevor 57]

Over 6 months since the claim was made and still no steering rack provided by Ford, they should hang their ****ing heads in shame

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by GTLEGEND

I Have some good contacts in Ford parts, if you pass on the part number you are chasing or your VIN, I can try and look for you. What dealer was it ordered through?

Darryl Twitt Ford Shepparton - electric power steering rack

Sorry for the delayed response, I switched off when the trolls started

[au2000]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Over 6 months since the claim was made and still no steering rack provided by Ford, they should hang their ****ing heads in shame

Holy hell… 6 months?….
Surely somewhere in Australia or the world there’s a spare steering rack? It’s not like rangers are a rarity !