VE SS to nudge 300kW?

[SSbaby]

Originally Posted by Falchoon

They need so much power to drag their lard ar$es around. Each new car seems to be heavier than the last model even though half of the car is made of plastic. The new cars aren't neccesarily any quicker than the previous model because of this weight, which is due to extras like a/c, p/s, power windows, Brembo brakes etc.

That's a good point. VE with LS2 might not be any faster than a VZ LS1.

[Ryan]

Mmmmm some peopole have made good points in this thread.

If the VE SSs get 300Kw I wonder what the HSV models get?

Could we see power of atleast 320-350Kw from HSVs? I dont think it would would happen though.

[Falcon Freak]

I heard VE will have 7.0 litre Corvette engine, do standing quarter in 11 sec from factory, use 5 liters / 100km. And it will also do your tax return and wipe your bum for you.

Can't wait to get one!

FF

[UNR8D]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

I heard VE will have 7.0 litre Corvette engine, do standing quarter in 11 sec from factory, use 5 liters / 100km. And it will also do your tax return and wipe your bum for you.

Can't wait to get one!

FF

:thebirds: its true, heard from a mate of a mate that works at the local dealer mopping floors.......HONNEST ask me mum :

[Allen]

Just stupid media rumors... I remember before the BA was released, (Or the AV as it was known) the media was talking about a V10 in the XR models...

I wouldn't really believe what the media has to say... not until we are much closer to the release dates...

[mik]

if fuel keeps going up the ss and gt`s will have electric motors in them , wont have to worry about 300 kw`s

[ssj_jaypee]

Too bad if this is true and the VE SS model comes out with 300kW or near enough.
Looks like FPV will never be on top of the power struggle ever again.

[Steffo]

There must've been the same sort of chat as is going on now, when Holden introduced the LS1 in 1999. 220kW 440Nm in VTII SS trim. Must've casued a stir amongest everyone - last year's GTS had 220kW.

Now, the SS is up to 250kW 470Nm (up to VTII R8 specs). Don't be surprised to see it climb higher, and this get accepted as the norm. Change is good.

[ED Classic]

Let them go to 300kw and let their cars get heavier and suck more fuel. We need to continue with the BF strategy of making things work more effeciently. 6 Auto is a great start. How about some clever VCT work and much less weight on the next model?

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by ED Classic

How about some clever VCT work and much less weight on the next model?

This will probably never happen. The reason BA got heavier, and VE is getting heavier, is to meet new, stricter saftey regulations. The VCT work... well... VCT for the DOHC V8 engines would be nice... might finally push the GT over the 290kW mark!

[FGX-351]

i heard somewhere(may have been on this site) that the ve chassis could safely handle power upto arond 750kw copared to the vz chassis which can safely handle around 350 i think it was, if thats the case maybe thats abit of a clue as to power and weight, if holden does use ridiculous power figures in the ve its most likely cause of the weight, if so try telling the holden bogans that:S

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by hbk_dx

i heard somewhere(may have been on this site) that the ve chassis could safely handle power upto arond 750kw copared to the vz chassis which can safely handle around 350 i think it was, if thats the case maybe thats abit of a clue as to power and weight, if holden does use ridiculous power figures in the ve its most likely cause of the weight, if so try telling the holden bogans that:S

According to HSV, the VT-VZ chassis was at its absolute limit with 300kW. The LS2 could easily be at higher then 297, perhaps they're trying to conserve a weak construction?

[FGX-351]

yeh thats what i read, the chassis on the hsv models can only withstand 300-350kw(cant remember which exact number off the top of my head) due to the fact that in the long run any more power will make it unsafe to drive, might of been ls1 where i read that

[jmc-007]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

i agree with youcompletely but have never known why . they seem to be biast towords ford . DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY???? :

Yeh I would like to know why that idiot decided to pick on the F6 For.

What a tosser.

I bet he drives a camry

[EFFalcon]

i wanna see twisted chassis on VT-> VZ's

[jmc-007]

Originally Posted by FPVGT

Oh god i wonder what this will do to all those poor GTS owners that folked out 100k for there vechiles.Holden and HSV look after your customers first before trying to take up a Battle that can't be won. :

What can you do, people need to realise they need to go forward.

Just because they brought a VXII 300kw GTS back in 2002 !!!! doesnt mean HSV should have to stop at 297 in the current vz series.

These days i think even HSV and FPV need to chase as many people as they can.

Days are gone of the limited run GT and special run cars.

Not too mention that cars are a bad investment unless its something classic.

(unless you do a lease to save you money) etc etc

[banarcus]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

With Euro 3 noise regs it's not that easy to just put a higher flowing exhaust anymore. I think the SS will be de tuned just like the VT was, with maybe 270 kw to start with, an then we'll see the usual Holden add 5 kw with every model b*ll that gets the bogans excited.

Exactly my take of this. Why would they put all their cards on the table first up?

[FPV329]

Originally Posted by ssj_jaypee

Too bad if this is true and the VE SS model comes out with 300kW or near enough.
Looks like FPV will never be on top of the power struggle ever again.

FPV will never be on top in the power war, they absolutely do not have the balls to win. They know they cannot win. HSV will never ever allow the number 1 spot to be filled by Ford ..ever.

I don't know why you all keep kidding yourselves. Get used to it.

[Falcon Freak]

Originally Posted by UNR8D

:thebirds: its true, heard from a mate of a mate that works at the local dealer mopping floors.......HONNEST ask me mum :

What I posted on LS1 earlier this year was correct as Holden are cancelling the two door Commonbore at the end of this year. As I am privy to confidential information I am not going to disclose how and where I obtained my information.

So :thebirds: yourself you :

FF

[FPV329]

Originally Posted by jmc-007

Yeh I would like to know why that idiot decided to pick on the F6 For.

What a tosser.

I bet he drives a camry

This particular type of leech make a living from media appearances and the fee they get for having their head on sprouting whatever it is they think will get their head on and a fee in their pocket, the news and current affairs shows are full of them every single day.

Anti 4 wheel drive mouths
Anti performance car mouths
Anti duck hunting mouths
Anti gun owner mouths
Anti fishing mouths

They make a pretty good living, some of them actually really do give a sh*t about the cause but mostly it's just a clever person making an easy living.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

it is good to see . if a merc or bm can produce 383 kws in a lighter car and do 11,s down the 400m i cant see the problem with 300kw holdens and fords doing 12 - 13's.

I can. Mercs or BMW's that have that much power are prohibitavely costly, meaning that your average hoon can't afford to get behind the wheel. If you make it so that any idiot with 50 grand can get behind the wheel of something that powerful then the horror high speed smashes witnessed today in cars like the WRX and Nissan GT's are easily going to transcend down the line to Aussie V8's.

Given the fact that Holden drivers are typically more inclined to be hoons and behave more like a yobbo than an intelligent person, I can only foresee a higher representation of commodores in street racing, ramraids and high speed smashes from little Ahmed losing it on his P's.

Also, the fact that every poor bastard who bought a HSV is going to be Usurped by a lower line model will mean that the resale on all of these models will drop like a stone.
Moreover, isn't this the problem with Holden overall?
I mean, they release a model like the VY, and then 5 months later release the VYII. Every time they do this the poor bastard who owns one of these cars loses an extra 3 grand on the resale even before the car has aged a couple of months.

Anyway, Holden will be interesting to watch as all is not well at GMC with huge losses globally, and their supposed jewel GMH has already been told to "significantly reduce costs". GMC have also only approved 500 million of the 1 billion VE program for GMH, and they are still fighting about it.

Just one of the reasons for their downsizing and sending a lot of work offshore to Korea. In years to come we may see Holden become a fully imported brand as the commodore is now the only model made here, and with the VE only between 45-55% will be local content. I read a story on this in the AFR and I will try to scan it to put it up online.

[SSbaby]

I think that if Holden do come out with a 300kW SS, depreciation won't be not immune to FPV either, purely from the point of view that HSV and FPV are both direct competitors. Do members here recall how Tickford's depreciation values and sales suffered in comparision to HSV's when the LS1 was first introduced?

GTS resales were also strong for a time... then when people were editing their LS1s and having superior numbers than C4B... the sales nosedived and so too depreciation.

[jmc-007]

Originally Posted by FPV329

This particular type of leech make a living from media appearances and the fee they get for having their head on sprouting whatever it is they think will get their head on and a fee in their pocket, the news and current affairs shows are full of them every single day.

Anti 4 wheel drive mouths
Anti performance car mouths
Anti duck hunting mouths
Anti gun owner mouths
Anti fishing mouths

They make a pretty good living, some of them actually really do give a sh*t about the cause but mostly it's just a clever person making an easy living.

I did read somewhere that he gets alot of Kick backs from certain pay offices. :

I am not surprised. but he is a thawn in anyones side. !!!

The problem is people listen to these idiots

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by ltd

I can. Mercs or BMW's that have that much power are prohibitavely costly, meaning that your average hoon can't afford to get behind the wheel. If you make it so that any idiot with 50 grand can get behind the wheel of something that powerful then the horror high speed smashes witnessed today in cars like the WRX and Nissan GT's are easily going to transcend down the line to Aussie V8's.

Given the fact that Holden drivers are typically more inclined to be hoons and behave more like a yobbo than an intelligent person, I can only foresee a higher representation of commodores in street racing, ramraids and high speed smashes from little Ahmed losing it on his P's.

Thanks for clearing that up, I didn't realize driver skill was based on the salary of the driver... Now I understand, thank you. Gee if we all just get payrises, the world will become a safer place!

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by ltd

high speed smashes from little Ahmed losing it on his P's.

I don't know. If they enforce Victoria's power/weight and litre/tonne rule properly, he won't have a VE SS there. 300kW and say... 1800kg is 166.67kW/tonne making it null and void for a P-Plater there (although 1800kg and 6.0litres is 3.33litres/tonne... but the power/weight cancels that out).

In NSW, P-Platers can't even own a 45kW 600cc 3cyl turbo Smart ForTwo, so they won't be owning any 300kW V8 Commodore's any time soon.

Can't speak for the other states though. And besides, how many P-Platers can afford to run a 6.0litre 300kW V8 car? Not many. Certainly none that I know, and most of my friends are P-Platers now. And they all have small 4cyl cars (myself included) because they can't afford better.

[Dave_au]

Originally Posted by chevypower

Thanks for clearing that up, I didn't realize driver skill was based on the salary of the driver... Now I understand, thank you. Gee if we all just get payrises, the world will become a safer place!

Driver skill no, but demographs yes - I would doubt not many BMW M5s or E55 AMGs do burnouts on public roads. Wealthier demographs tend to be more law abiding. :

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Dave_au

Driver skill no, but demographs yes - I would doubt not many BMW M5s or E55 AMGs do burnouts on public roads. Wealthier demographs tend to be more law abiding. :

I agree, the demographic of the consumer can be a GENERAL guide to attitude and behaviour.
Its not perfect but its a guide, as said someone who spends 150K on a car isn't likely to add 3 subs, a blow off valve and do "fully sic" burnouts everywhere while draging every second guy at the lights..

[flappist]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I agree, the demographic of the consumer can be a GENERAL guide to attitude and behaviour.
Its not perfect but its a guide, as said someone who spends 150K on a car isn't likely to add 3 subs, a blow off valve and do "fully sic" burnouts everywhere while draging every second guy at the lights..

Yes but 2 years later when the $150k rocket is available for $35k the aformentioned doof-doof will appear.

R32 Skyline was $100,000 new when a top of the range Ford or Holden was $40k. Ever seen any of them doof-doofing about?

My 19 year old nephew currently drives a VX2 SS he bought for $19k. He had it about 10 minutes before the cat back exhaust went on. Of his previous 3 cars, two were destroyed in accidents and one fortunately was such a price of crap that it didn't go fast enough to crash.

I worry for my sister......

[Des]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yes but 2 years later when the $150k rocket is available for $35k the aformentioned doof-doof will appear.

R32 Skyline was $100,000 new when a top of the range Ford or Holden was $40k. Ever seen any of them doof-doofing about?

My 19 year old nephew currently drives a VX2 SS he bought for $19k. He had it about 10 minutes before the cat back exhaust went on. Of his previous 3 cars, two were destroyed in accidents and one fortunately was such a price of crap that it didn't go fast enough to crash.

I worry for my sister......

Well said....

[Dave_au]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yes but 2 years later when the $150k rocket is available for $35k the aformentioned doof-doof will appear.

R32 Skyline was $100,000 new when a top of the range Ford or Holden was $40k. Ever seen any of them doof-doofing about?

Well that's an older performance car now - 14 years old, plus there are a tonne of second hand jap imports.

I think the sort of depreciation your suggesting would put the Magna to shame, although I will never deny that the german luxo barges have a resale issue, 4 year old audi S8 for $98,000 anyone (down from $200K)?

When the value of a performance car drops to what the majority of people/ young irresposibile adults can afford, then the hooning increases.