Why is Commodore still outselling Falcon??

[Bossxr8]

Because the sheep tend to follow the flock. The VT bought them in and they will stick with them even though Falcon is way superior.

[bessxg]

I'd say it's the old reputation that Holden have got goin on. Alot of people that give me stick about owning a Ford have the whole, "whats a radiator" thing going on.

[Stoney!]

Originally Posted by EF_Dave

it all comes down to heavy discounting and giving companys huge befitits for company cars, and their stupid "aussie" marketing, to give the impression that holdens are pure aussie cars

Actually after working for a company that have a decent size fleet of company cars, it's ford who give the better discounts by quite a bit, even the victorian police say they can't get the SS's as cheap as the XR8's, but police say the SS's are better in pursuits for a number or reasons, apparently one is clearance.

I'm also not sure what it is as the holden gets bagged out when compared to the falcon (though only on mechanical things) yet commodore still outsells, look out when the VE arrives then.

Stoney!

[ef_classic]

"Holden means a great deal to Australia"

I reckon when they came up with this slogan is when the BA was the better car in all aspects, and needed to regroup all the Holden fans looking at Ford lol.



I cant stand people that say Holden are more aussie and all that, when the VE will now get more parts from overseas. And that 90% have no idea it is run by General Motors.

[Full Spectrum]

Line up 2 60 year old ladies and ask them to step into a BA XT and then a VZ Executive and to them they wont pick a thing different, They would be happy with both cars.
What many need to see is when the mags test the cars they drive them like Brocky and Moffat did at Bathurst, Everyday driving isn't this;).
And when you need a car that drives from a to b and does it perfect you dont pick at petty little things, Because as many would like to think of it as , The VZ is a very very good car and does nothing wrong.
And thats why it sell so well. It's trusted respected. And many that buy a commodore generally buy another at some time.

[Full Spectrum]

Sounds like you been sooking over holden for years lol I think everyone knows GM owns holden so who are you trying to fool with that one:p.


Holden sell the commodore because some might call it but thats biased talking. It is a very good car still and it sell because when you want a daily driver and dont drive them like the mags do they all run pretty much the same.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by MYGT05

Also isn't the ford factory producing as many cars is it can at the moment, dealers seem to be selling for than they can get there hands on.

Ford slowed down production about two months ago they are making about 100 units a day less than this time last year.

[ten[A]cio[U]s]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

I would put it down to brand loyalty, Holden has a heap of fans that will stick with them regardless of Ford having the better package.

I agree. I would still buy a ford even if it wasnt anywhere near as good as a holden. (although were lucky this is not the case).

[geoffa1]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Ford slowed down production about two months ago they are making about 100 units a day less than this time last year.

Holden are dropping a complete shift, cos they can't keep selling them at a loss. Holdens overall output is based on shipping LWB cars to the Middle East, which Ford Australia can't do, 'cos Ford Canada already have a market there for Crown Victorias.

As part of theis thread somebody has comented that Ford can't equal Holdens sales even if you thrown in Territory sales.

Fact is, Ford have beaten Holden on registration of Australian built vehicles in 2004 and 2005. Its got me buggered why Ford doesn't make more of this - So what if Toyota and Holden sell more vehicles in total - Sales of AUSTRALIAN MADE vehicles are far more important. :

[coyote]

Originally Posted by geoffa1

Fact is, Ford have beaten Holden on registration of Australian built vehicles in 2004 and 2005. Its got me buggered why Ford doesn't make more of this - So what if Toyota and Holden sell more vehicles in total - Sales of AUSTRALIAN MADE vehicles are far more important. :

Here Here

But not only that why don't they highlight the actual percentage of Aussie parts and development, where they also have a distinct marketing advantage over the dunnydore.

When ford credit uses the same approaches as HNL then we might see a correction to the balance to the purchasing habits of the fleets.

The other point is that if Ford are making a reasonable profit with reasonable sales, and Holden is making a lower than expected profit (as detailed in press recently) with increased sales and infact making a loss on some markets, let them sell many more and more at a loss and see how long they will survive

Buy Your kids a Job Buy Aussie Made

[McobraR]

I believe its not only discounts, but the fact that the base model falc looks boring.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by coyote

The other point is that if Ford are making a reasonable profit with reasonable sales, and Holden is making a lower than expected profit (as detailed in press recently) with increased sales and infact making a loss on some markets, let them sell many more and more at a loss and see how long they will survive

Well I dont know about Holdens profit but in the first quarter of Ford Australia/Asia and South Africa only made a profit of 2million (compared to 48 mill this time last year). The main loss in profit coming from the drop in sales from the Falcon.

[Whitey-AMG]

Is sales based on actual registrations or Inventory shipped from the factory to the dealers. If it is the latter, I reckon there's a heap load of Commodores just sitting there in the dealer yards looking for a new home.

If it is registrations it ain't all bad news for us BLUE BLOODS, I can explain further.........You see every FORD made will last 3 times as long as any HOLDEN. Based on this logic, we only ever have to update every 15 years. That means that most XF - EA owners are only just thinking of purchasing a new BABY.........Holden will be outsold by 3 to 1 next year when this happens........... :

[Falcon Freak]

Why is Holden outselling Falcon? Because vermin breed so quickly that they can spawn a lot more one-eyed boguns. These people will continue to buy Holdens even when GM starts importing Commodores from China - because Holden is 'Australian'.

FF

[MethodX]

They are both Yank owned multinationals anyway.
so whats the difference?


We are the baked outcome of our breading , when it comes to automotive taste.

[Mark351]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

Why is Holden outselling Falcon? Because vermin bread so quickly that they can spawn a lot more one-eyed boguns. These people will continue to buy Holdens even when GM starts importing Commodores from China - because Holden is 'Australian'.

FF

How can you call Holden fans one-eyed boguns with a post like that, coupled with that avatar of yours? And bread? Geez...

[XA-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

Why is Holden outselling Falcon? Because vermin bread so quickly that they can spawn a lot more one-eyed boguns. These people will continue to buy Holdens even when GM starts importing Commodores from China - because Holden is 'Australian'.

FF

So I am a one eyed 'bogun' ????

[phat_stak_tipa]

Originally Posted by AUIII

Why is Commodore still outselling Falcon??

Because bogans continue to breed and their bad habits are passed to the next generation.

Lol only joking as others have said brand loyalty Holden has a huge dedicated one eyed fan base that love their holdens as much as we love our fords.

Being a ford fan I wouldn’t buy a Holden because they brought out a superior model (not likely), why should they.

BRAINWASHED by bathurst wins.......

BOGAN: hey love lets buy a commy coz ya know they win baffurst lots....

SHIELA: awwww yeah and i reckon skaifey is a hotty....and it has has to be red darl......

BOGAN: oh and it has to be a 5.7L coz chevs are grouse.....

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

Why is Holden outselling Falcon? Because vermin breed so quickly that they can spawn a lot more one-eyed boguns. These people will continue to buy Holdens even when GM starts importing Commodores from China - because Holden is 'Australian'.

FF

You remind of the guy that called all Holden people brainless idiots or was it brain dead? And i ask you was your mother happy with her Commodore, That wouldn't be you would it?.

Originally Posted by MethodX

They are both Yank owned multinationals anyway.
so whats the difference?

It's easy to only point one of them out.


But on buying cars there would only be about 20% of the people out there that know something about cars, And that might influence there decision?. I think the rest have no idea.
What makes a Asian family that owns just about every Toyota model buy a Holden VYII Commodore S?. What makes a Asian family that owns Toyota's buy a Ford Territory? It happens. Might be word of mouth might be they want to try and fit more in?. There are other that have no clue at all.
But when i think of the car dealers around my area for about 30min drive there all Holden Hyundai Mitsubishi. The closest Ford dealer is 40min away. Fords biggest problem is stopping people like me that can walk to my car and buy a new holden in 7min. There is nothing on my way to a holden dealers that can change my mind if i need a new car. Even second hand, If i;'m after a second hand ford i need to go to the same holden dealers for a ford.

[WASP]

Holden under promise and over deliver, Ford is prone to achieving to opposite.

Referring to mainly a base model comparison here, most buyers know that the Commodore is nothing special. It doesn't promise to be in the first place so you can only go up from there. Options are thrown in as a decoy because there's little offered in leading technology and refinement (until VE anyway).

Falcon on the other hand boosts high tech engines, transmissions and suspension, class leading comfort, ride and safety etc. But options are expensive and can't be given always easily due to the added expense in delivering more car. Topped with the traditional Ford service and you are left an experience that promised so much, all but gone pear shaped.

[Black XR6]

This issue is being over complicated with all the servicing, sales and talk about porduction numbers and the rest.

Its a simple image issue. Holden marketing craps all over Fords. Look at fords recent add campaign, they start with a ford ute driveing through town where models walk after a car. They then follow it up with an add where instead of good looking women, dogs chase the car, the passenger turns to the driver and proclaims, theyre dogs.

Now this add shows Fords complete lack of abilitry to promote a car and its merits properly. This particular add is demeaning to women (alot of women call the shots with the purse strings) and does nothing for Fords image. Holden on the other hand throw plenty of performance orientated adds where cars turn up a storm doing burnouts etc. Gee, I wonder which car will get the better image and thus sell more. People dont buy cars based on seeing dogs run after a ute, nor for that matter do they buy them because hot women walk after them. They buy them because they are perceived better.

This has been happening for years people., Those who blame the AU are just looking for a scape goat. Holden is seen as the australian car. Holden has masses of supporters and to accomodate them masses of merchandise. Fords merchandise stand in any K-mart or likewise is pitiful compared to holdens range.

Im sorry, but ford just dosnt put in the effort required to change public perception and thus sway the battle in their favour at all. How bout some adds as has been said that highlights just how australian the car is. Imagine an add with the song, hey true blue, where the first half of the add shows shipping containers arriving from overseas packed with the new barina or whatever the POS is, after that show some stats with exactly how much of the holdn commodore is made in aus. After this show the Ford Flacon arrive on the scene in a very sporty image, after this show just how much of the ford is made in aus and end with the australian flag with the words, buy australian.

Atleast that sort of add campaign would start to chip away at the Holden meat pie kangaroo crap.

And after that, keep it coming. Relentless until the public gets an idea. Mix that style add with different adds aimed at family, muscle and utility markets.

Ford marketing is a disgrace. And will never at this rate break the strangle hold Holden has on australias men and youths.

[RPO83]

Originally Posted by ef_classic

"Holden means a great deal to Australia"

I reckon when they came up with this slogan is when the BA was the better car in all aspects, and needed to regroup all the Holden fans looking at Ford lol.



I cant stand people that say Holden are more aussie and all that, when the VE will now get more parts from overseas. And that 90% have no idea it is run by General Motors.

Would you be surprised (not likely) that that campaign was taken from GM's Chevrolet division.


AU,
Dealerships,
Marketing,
Resale,
$2 Fairlane/LTD update,
Marketing,
Economy perceptions,
Performance arm still not widely recognised,
Marketing.

[2kool4u]

IMO ford started losing sales and reputation right about the time holden released it best looking car yet (VT) and ford released its worst looking car ever (AU). They are only just starting to get some sales and respect back now with the BA and BF

Sorry if that offends any AU owners.

[ronwest]

I am probably typical of your average car buyer (or was until fuel skyrocketed... now I'm not sure what your "average" car buyer is).

I bought a car a few months ago, (not new, my wife gets the new ones) and I was faced with the usual choice... Holden or Ford... just got rid of a Japanese car and another wasn't an option.

So, my choices at the time, in order of preference were Berlina, Acclaim or Futura (or whatever the non-base model Ford is).

Therein lies the problem for Ford.

Their marketing must suck. For ten years or so I was really over cars, but could name Holden's Executive, Acclaim, Berlina, Calais, Statesman. Add to the mix S, SS, Clubsports.

When I was looking, I didn't know that the base model Falcon was the XT, or where XR6/8's came in the mix. I knew of Fairmonts and F/Ghias as I'd owned a couple of Fairmonts a lot of years ago. I also knew of Fairlanes and LTDs as I'd owned a couple of models previously.

So the point is not that I'm a schmuck when it comes to cars/models but the fact I mostly knew the Holden range but not Fords, even though I think I've owned more Fords than Holdens over the years.

If my F/Ghia had not come up at the price it did, I would probably be a Holden driver and I'm certain that I would have been happy with whatever I bought.

Holden has done a much better job at marketing their vehicles. The ins and outs of each vs the other may matter to the chaps and chapesses on Ford or Holden forums but to the wider car buying community it doesn't matter diddly.

There will always be those who prefer one brand over another. Sometimes it's to the point of foolishness, but as long as it is they who pay the price for their narrow-mindedness, that's ok for the rest of us.

So, get your act together, Ford. If you've got good cars, figure out what you need to do to let your average punter know about it.

Maybe then Falcon will outsell Commodore.

Just as a by the by, I'd rather a Ferrari than either of the above, so I'm not swayed by sales figures ;)

[Stoney!]

I can't believe the amount of people on here clutching at straws to try and find anything to bag holden out, yes obviousley I am on a Ford website, but I am one person who looked at the BA when it came out and thought wow that actually looks quite good, then next thing u know im in a sales position (insert BA company car here) I had the XR6 for about a month and I really didn't want it anymmore, I couldn't get to my 15,000 k's quick enough.

The car was a shocker, crap diffs, broken CV joints, power steering pumps, clunky back shifts, woful cruise control, and to top it off the worst economy I have ever experienced from a 6 CYL family car, not to mention the endless headlight and tail light bulbs I was replacing (thankfully for the company under warranty), sorry I think I also missed the fact it kept scrubbing the inside of its tyres out.

THIS and only THIS is the reason why more people buy Commodores more than Falcons, and because they are a good looking little car.

I got my VZ and SV6, astounded by the fuel economy, enjoyed the power and ultra smooth gearbox, and tight handling, ultra responsive steering, and the fact that if the gearox thought "hmmm theres not enough power maybe i should whack it back one save him having to sink his foot more and more" and it did it smoothly. Even the ol 4 speed in the S did it.

I had only two complaints about the VZ, throttle delay and the fact that it's headlight relay blew, that was it though.

I havn't driven one but maybe the BF will turn a couple more heads, but only till the VE comes out, but that period of time may not be long enough to turn enough heads, thats the only problem.

Stoney!

[FGX-351]

Originally Posted by Stoney!

I can't believe the amount of people on here clutching at straws to try and find anything to bag holden out, yes obviousley I am on a Ford website, but I am one person who looked at the BA when it came out and thought wow that actually looks quite good, then next thing u know im in a sales position (insert BA company car here) I had the XR6 for about a month and I really didn't want it anymmore, I couldn't get to my 15,000 k's quick enough.

The car was a shocker, crap diffs, broken CV joints, power steering pumps, clunky back shifts, woful cruise control, and to top it off the worst economy I have ever experienced from a 6 CYL family car, not to mention the endless headlight and tail light bulbs I was replacing (thankfully for the company under warranty), sorry I think I also missed the fact it kept scrubbing the inside of its tyres out.

THIS and only THIS is the reason why more people buy Commodores more than Falcons, and because they are a good looking little car.

I got my VZ and SV6, astounded by the fuel economy, enjoyed the power and ultra smooth gearbox, and tight handling, ultra responsive steering, and the fact that if the gearox thought "hmmm theres not enough power maybe i should whack it back one save him having to sink his foot more and more" and it did it smoothly. Even the ol 4 speed in the S did it.

I had only two complaints about the VZ, throttle delay and the fact that it's headlight relay blew, that was it though.

I havn't driven one but maybe the BF will turn a couple more heads, but only till the VE comes out, but that period of time may not be long enough to turn enough heads, thats the only problem.

Stoney!

here is the third of the three "antichrists" first gmhdriver, then ammojammo, now you stoney! your in the running to win the ever popular aff holiday
**after reading his other posts too**

[RPO83]

Originally Posted by Stoney!

THIS and only THIS is the reason why more people buy Commodores more than Falcons, and because they are a good looking little car.

Back that up with actual facts, not your own personal reasons why you don't like Ford.

For example, if reliability was the issue, explain to me why the Commodore is not widely used in the taxi industry.

[Stoney!]

Originally Posted by RPO83

Back that up with actual facts, not your own personal reasons why you don't like Ford.

For example, if reliability was the issue, explain to me why the Commodore is not widely used in the taxi industry.

Because the buick could not handle LPG as well as the 4.0 litre falcon engine, but i don't believe I ever spoke of lasting, I was merely speaking of the annoying problems I had with mine which me, which is what most fleet buyers and your average new car buyer would be noticing. Which is what this thread is about.

On petrol and LPG the 3.8 wouldn't have an issue running for 5 - 10 years but as a taxi constantly starting and stoping the covering many kilometres every day the 3.8 doesn't cope as well, this iss what I have been told anyway Ive still seen VT's getting around not sounding half as bad as the clapped out falcons.

But on the same token I hate LPG for this exact reason, being such a dry dense fuel, there is no lubrcation in the cylinders what so ever. The so called "savings" on running LPG, won't pay off in the long run.

Stoney!

Stoney!

[phat_stak_tipa]

Originally Posted by Stoney!

Because the buick could not handle LPG as well as the 4.0 litre falcon engine, but i don't believe I ever spoke of lasting, I was merely speaking of the annoying problems I had with mine which me, which is what most fleet buyers and your average new car buyer would be noticing. Which is what this thread is about.

On petrol and LPG the 3.8 wouldn't have an issue running for 5 - 10 years but as a taxi constantly starting and stoping the covering many kilometres every day the 3.8 doesn't cope as well, this iss what I have been told anyway Ive still seen VT's getting around not sounding half as bad as the clapped out falcons.

But on the same token I hate LPG for this exact reason, being such a dry dense fuel, there is no lubrcation in the cylinders what so ever. The so called "savings" on running LPG, won't pay off in the long run.

Stoney!

Stoney!

hey bucko u got some wrong ideas there. LPG burns cleaner compared to petrol therefore it keeps oil cleaner.....genrally oil doesnt lose its lubrication value from being old it loses it due to the amount of by products that contaminate it e.g as petrol is "dirtier" it contaminates quicker and degrades the oils value.... which inturn speeds up wear even if regular servicing is done. if a car can run on unleaded it can run just fine on LPG....and by the way cars that are stop started more frequently wear out quicker......a taxi is always warm if they sit its usually not long enough to cool down.....y do u think most family hacks need rebuilds quicker than taxis.... a taxi donk will do 1 mill kays no prob on the original donk....also LPG has a higher octane rating than fuel which is also good for donks.....i know all this coz i have personally seen this with my families security business we have falcons and mazdas (323) on gas and all have run fine.....our little mazda has 330,000 kays on it and its only a 1.6 the falcs all had well over 500,000 on them when we sold them if it wasnt for downgrades we would still have the falcs and theyd still be going....i dont buy your excuse on holden taxis....also who wants to do up 2 heads instead of 1 and believe me head/valvetrain probs occur more with the v6.... also transmissions dont last as long in the holden as they do in the ford so keep telling yourself your story if u dont know dont talk......

[MAFIA]

Simply - cause commondore are Cheap and Nasty...