Billion Dollar Baby - Page 2

LUXO_8 · 26-08-2006, 05:22 PM

yep was quite good to watch......

sfr rob · 26-08-2006, 05:23 PM

was pretty interesting actually... makes you appreciate how much work goes into a new car!

Bobman · 26-08-2006, 05:23 PM

Just watched the program, wish they do something similar for the next Falcon.

It was good viewing.

ayman · 26-08-2006, 05:23 PM

nothing new, Skaife and the rst of the gang driving the cars and sliding etc. Talking about "how great this one is, others are crap!", including the VZ I would say.

Is it just me or does it look exactly like BA from the front?????

ef_classic · 26-08-2006, 05:26 PM

I still cant get over how much the front looks like a falcon.

Holden and nine seem to do alot of stuff together, as far as iam concerned they can have eachother!

Now all we need is for Ford and Ten to top it!!!

Fairlane · 26-08-2006, 05:34 PM

Saw a fair bit of it- pretty much what i expected.

I bet the Mitsubishi boys are crying now- the engineers and workers must be pretty damn furious with their marketing department. They have well and truly been killed by Holden marketing.

XRDRIFT · 26-08-2006, 05:53 PM

I saw it too, turned away after 10mins, what crap, informative but crap!. So bloody what, its taken holden over 7 years to build anew platform over the VT, If I'm right, could be wrong but the VT came out in 1999 or 98, and kept the same crappy chassis since till now. Albeit with minor suspension changes to fix the rear camber issues people had when lowering their VT series 1.

And even the new VE is isnt aussie, its suspension is just copied from other manufacturers and changed to suit HOLDEN. WTF, its just another BA/MITSU/MAZDA MP6/Lexus/BMW looking mongrel.

The BA since it came out has sold plenty, XR6t, XR8, FPV/GT so on. How many XR6turbos do you see compared to VY/VZ HSV overpriced dunnydorres, I bet the ratio is like 20 to 1, coz Holdens HSV's are just to expensive. Bang for buck I say, And Holden need to fix their pricing system, so what if they employed ESP, active stability control has been out for years and holden just put it on now....shhhhesssh. Cant say much, Ford is yet to do the same....anyways, bottom line, VE=Very expensive and will be forgotten very quick, and Ford will hit back 5 times as hard with their new beast when its launched, and it will be a secret not like the VE. ps VE=very expected

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Turbos rule, V8's are a thing of the past and Jap Cars will lead the way!!!!

Bucknaked · 26-08-2006, 05:55 PM

I thought it was an interesting show. I really like the ESP feature.

A lot goes into the development of a car. 6 years in the making. The AU was still in production when they started the VE Project. I wonder if any of their plans where changed once the BA was released. Would be interesting to know.

Bucknaked · 26-08-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by XRDRIFT

I saw it too, turned away after 10mins, what crap, informative but crap!. So bloody what, its taken holden over 7 years to build anew platform over the VT, If I'm right, could be wrong but the VT came out in 1999 or 98, and kept the same crappy chassis since till now. Albeit with minor suspension changes to fix the rear camber issues people had when lowering their VT series 1.

And even the new VE is isnt aussie, its suspension is just copied from other manufacturers and changed to suit HOLDEN. WTF, its just another BA/MITSU/MAZDA MP6/Lexus/BMW looking mongrel.

The BA since it came out has sold plenty, XR6t, XR8, FPV/GT so on. How many XR6turbos do you see compared to VY/VZ HSV overpriced dunnydorres, I bet the ratio is like 20 to 1, coz Holdens HSV's are just to expensive. Bang for buck I say, And Holden need to fix their pricing system, so what if they employed ESP, active stability control has been out for years and holden just put it on now....shhhhesssh. Cant say much, Ford is yet to do the same....anyways, bottom line, VE=Very expensive and will be forgotten very quick, and Ford will hit back 5 times as hard with their new beast when its launched, and it will be a secret not like the VE. ps VE=very expected

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Turbos rule, V8's are a thing of the past and Jap Cars will lead the way!!!!

You sure learn't alot in 10 minutes.

pertuan · 26-08-2006, 05:58 PM

I watched it. Mainly just to get an appreciation of what it takes to get a car made. From idea to showroom. Makes me wish I worked in the auto industry.

red_hotxr6 · 26-08-2006, 06:02 PM

Holden needed to do this their sales are falling faster than a lead weight with 500kilos attached. Ford do not need to this, they make a superior type of car.Anyone catch the territory ghia ad, just blows the opposition away.Go Ford.

Sledgehammer · 26-08-2006, 06:20 PM

Care?...Not

ClevlndStemer · 26-08-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by XRDRIFT

I saw it too, turned away after 10mins, what crap, informative but crap!. So bloody what, its taken holden over 7 years to build anew platform over the VT, If I'm right, could be wrong but the VT came out in 1999 or 98, and kept the same crappy chassis since till now. Albeit with minor suspension changes to fix the rear camber issues people had when lowering their VT series 1.

So what did you even bother to turn it on, you knew it was going to be about the VE.

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And even the new VE is isnt aussie, its suspension is just copied from other manufacturers and changed to suit HOLDEN. WTF, its just another BA/MITSU/MAZDA MP6/Lexus/BMW looking mongrel.

so mr genious where do you think the basis of the BA suspension came from?

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The BA since it came out has sold plenty, XR6t, XR8, FPV/GT so on. How many XR6turbos do you see compared to VY/VZ HSV overpriced dunnydorres, I bet the ratio is like 20 to 1, coz Holdens HSV's are just to expensive. Bang for buck I say, And Holden need to fix their pricing system, so what if they employed ESP, active stability control has been out for years and holden just put it on now....shhhhesssh. Cant say much, Ford is yet to do the same....anyways, bottom line, VE=Very expensive and will be forgotten very quick, and Ford will hit back 5 times as hard with their new beast when its launched, and it will be a secret not like the VE. ps VE=very expected

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Turbos rule, V8's are a thing of the past and Jap Cars will lead the way!!!!

You sir suffer from the i-d-ten-t personality. It's people like yourself that make me ashamed to drive a ford.

**Polyal** · 26-08-2006, 06:25 PM

yeap it was what I thought.

As soon as they went to the chassis guy and he said "ride and handling are pivitol to holden" I switched off, I was going to hurl.

XRDRIFT · 26-08-2006, 06:25 PM

I saw the part where they carried on about the ESP feature and some other shyt. Bla Bla, so what, all new cars get crash tested, get thrashed to test the limits and all cars get cut up after that. They all start out as ideas and then get produced, difference is, at what cost? Billion dollars for this commo? Holden better hope they sell or they in trouble. Why do you think Toyota will be the biggest most single handed motor company in the world by the year 2010. Saw a doco on it on SBS a few weeks back, and GMC in the states is struggling with the motor industry coz sales are so way down.

Ford since the release of the BA have hit the nail on the head. Holden is yet to do that...Will see with the V? wats it called again?????

SpoolMan · 26-08-2006, 06:33 PM

threads merged

Jeld-Wen Falcon · 26-08-2006, 06:37 PM

Its pretty pathetic when you think about, a billion dollars and it cant even beat a 3 year old car?

I was expecting much more from the ve.

nugget378 · 26-08-2006, 06:58 PM

It was interesting,did any one else feel it was like a long infomercial though..

deankdx · 26-08-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

It was interesting,did any one else feel it was like a long infomercial though..

yeah i thought so. i watched most of it and was interested, i dont think it would make any current ford owners switch. but i reckon it would generate sales.
i liked the ESP bit and think it could certainly be a big contributor to sales.
FORD should so a similar show it was worth watching i reckon.

Phoon Hoon · 26-08-2006, 08:14 PM

It was about a Commonwhore. Care Factor = ZERO

Jock260 · 26-08-2006, 08:52 PM

its a great car, cant wait to get it in the garage

AussieJason · 26-08-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

It was interesting,did any one else feel it was like a long infomercial though..

Exactly what I thought. Not a bad doco, but a little over the top in places. It was almost like it was made by Holden's marketing department, not an independant TV station.

K_Man · 27-08-2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by XRDRIFT

I saw it too, turned away after 10mins, what crap, informative but crap!. So bloody what, its taken holden over 7 years to build anew platform over the VT, If I'm right, could be wrong but the VT came out in 1999 or 98, and kept the same crappy chassis since till now. Albeit with minor suspension changes to fix the rear camber issues people had when lowering their VT series 1.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Ford use the same platform from EA through to EL? That was a 10 year old platform. Likewise with Holden VN to VS? Just the way Aussie cars have always been built. I reckon the 'major' changes from AU to BA was just Ford pulling their finger out, and that's not saying the AU was a bad car. The VT/VZ held up pretty damn well IMO.

MITCHAY · 27-08-2006, 12:36 AM

I hope they have a re-run of it. I was at work all day and knew nothing of it :(

rodderz · 27-08-2006, 01:00 AM

Was a bit infomercial-ish, but Holden have done a very good job of the engineering side of things. They had to build a totally updated car and they have. They have to build up the hype to sell the damn things to re-coupe the billion bucks they've spent, who'd blame them for doing such marketing strategies

I'de love the job of the bloke who's job was to fang around the test track to see how the car reacted to slides and on the limit cornering, looked like he was enjoying himself !

Bud Bud · 27-08-2006, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by K_Man

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Ford use the same platform from EA through to EL? That was a 10 year old platform. Likewise with Holden VN to VS? Just the way Aussie cars have always been built. I reckon the 'major' changes from AU to BA was just Ford pulling their finger out, and that's not saying the AU was a bad car. The VT/VZ held up pretty damn well IMO.

Correct, and also the XF shared the same floor from the XA as well. The XF ute carried well in to the EA-EB with a steering box and drag link set up while the then current sedan used a rack and pinion. I did not hear anyone complaining then!

This type of engineering is required to stretch out the cost of development as long as they possibly can so we can still keep the uniqueness of having Aussie built Falcons and Commodores sedans. The alternative is Taurus remember!

rushing on acid · 27-08-2006, 02:42 AM

fords platform is still the same from xa/xb, they have only done minor changes to it (suspension pick up points etc) it would cost ford a billion dollars too to make a new platform to work from but at the end of the day it may not show in new car sales but in many years to come ford will always be ahead of holden. how many vn,vp commos do you see compared to ea eb? same goes with vb - vl ( with the exception of the reproduction vl commodores, seems like there is more of those on the road than what holden actually sold) compared with xd - xf.

Outbackjack · 27-08-2006, 10:19 AM

Pulled into the work car park this morning, sitting there is a brand new VE SS. Plenty of parking spots next to it so I pulled up in my black BF XR8. The VE is silver. Took a long walk around the 2 cars parked side by side. My first thought is that the VE has caught up with the BF, but only if you like the high off the ground, bulky look. To my eye the VE is a cross between a Euro saloon and a Aussie muscle car. The BF next to it looks low, and, well, sleak. The rear spoiler looks like it is meant to be there, the VE spoiler looks like a kid with his cap on backwards bolted it on there. The XR look is 100% Aussie muscle. The VE is still a comdore. Still looks a bit like a VN.

I know all the hype is media driven, but I am sure that it will die down. The BA/BF will hold its own against it. Of course the one eyed holden bigots will rush out and buy one, but they would do that even if it looked like noddies car. I think that the all over package of the VE is OK. But dissapointing all in all.

Cheers all.

HSE2 · 27-08-2006, 10:36 AM

I too would love to have seen this show and hope they re run it.

Full Spectrum · 27-08-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

I thought it was an interesting show. I really like the ESP feature.

A lot goes into the development of a car. 6 years in the making. The AU was still in production when they started the VE Project. I wonder if any of their plans where changed once the BA was released. Would be interesting to know.

I wonder as they sat back and seen some of the first pic's of the BA did they go

: To late to change now.

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Originally Posted by XRDRIFT

I saw the part where they carried on about the ESP feature and some other shyt. Bla Bla, so what, all new cars get crash tested, get thrashed to test the limits and all cars get cut up after that. They all start out as ideas and then get produced, difference is, at what cost? Billion dollars for this commo? Holden better hope they sell or they in trouble. Why do you think Toyota will be the biggest most single handed motor company in the world by the year 2010. Saw a doco on it on SBS a few weeks back, and GMC in the states is struggling with the motor industry coz sales are so way down.

Ford since the release of the BA have hit the nail on the head. Holden is yet to do that...Will see with the V? wats it called again?????

Hey the ESP story was 13 min into it:P

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When holden finally hit the nail on the head maybe they can become number 1 in car sales in Australia instead of number 2

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