A Thread To Come up with IDEAS for P-plate laws

[Conrad]

Originally Posted by sleekism

I think your list is too harsh especially about modifications. How many people here have 100% legal modifications???

I think it should copy the NSW motorbike system.

1) Must do weekend driver training course before getting L's.
2) L's are valid for 3 months, 150kw tonne, must have supervised driver.
3) Must do driver training weekend before getting P's
4) P's valid for 1 year, 150kw tonne,
5) To graduate to full licence must have done one year without any driving offences.

My 2 cents. Young people learn quick why slug it for years??

You dont need a supervised driver on ur Motorbike Learners or P's. Are you drunk?

[irish2]

Originally Posted by T-BOOST

Yes well a 1000cc doesn't weigh that much more than a 250cc either and both will do the same damage as you have said about your cars.
But you have also stated an obvious reason why this is in place for motor bikes and should be for cars in your post, it's QUICKER, Less reaction time!
Not to mention more torque to loose control in other situations.

It is quicker. The difference in cars however is less than the difference between a 250-1000 on a bike. I also respect the V8 more and never fang it through corners like I do to the buzz box.

[irish2]

Originally Posted by T-BOOST

What the hell are you on?
So giving someone a heap of power before having any experiance on the roads is a better idea is it? Grow up mate

A datto can get up to speeds that kill, yes but a powerfull car can get there a hell of a lot quicker, as iv'e stated above alot less reaction time for someone with little experiance is very dangerous!!

You don't get much reaction time at speed when something sudden happens, regardless of what power it has. It is only during acceleration that there is a slight difference but to reach extreme speeds whether it be a 4 or an 8 or whatever it takes considerable time and considerable length of road to achieve those speeds.

[Conrad]

Originally Posted by merlin

I only agree with your point 1. But would add:

2. Youngest age for P's raised to 18.

4. Compulsory comprehensive insurance (regulated).

Umm no. It is already 18 in Victoria and i feel for all the people that need to drive to and from work and those that live in rural areas.

Secondly, why compulsory comprehensive insurance? P platers usually have $400 rust buckets why would that want it insured.

Perhaps Compulsory third party property insurance is better.

[Conrad]

Originally Posted by sleekism

Looking at the school carpark the other day the vast majority were Lancers, Hyundais and Pulsars equipped with fart cannons and wings. I saw one VL and no Falcons.

Don't worry mate, i'm reppin the falcons.

[Ford_V8]

life imprisonment for first serious hooning offence

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by irish2

I also respect the V8 more and never fang it through corners like I do to the buzz box.

The problem is there are hundreds even thousands out there who's ego is bigger than their ability,and in a powerful car it spells trouble.
Its does'nt matter if they"feel" they can control such a car,or even if they can,its just a fact of life that young guys just dont know their limits,and will push the boundaries past what even lowndsey could control.

They will come on here and say I dont do this or that,but listen to them talkin between themselves and you will know what I mean...

Its only gonna get tougher,and P platers only have themselves to blame..

[Walkinshaw]

How about leaving fatal P plate crashes involving idiotic driving at the scene. for good.

"oops stupid Johhnie slammed that stobie pole.....leave the car and Johnnie, good warning for other idiots"

[FalconXV]

Obviously a move away from the wave of conservative and ineffective rules that have been put in place recently would demonstrate genuine concern for the lives of P platers and road safety. Education and training is the ONLY solution.
Enthusiasts should not be treated with contempt and Harold Scruby should be publicly lashed.

[irish2]

Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

How about leaving fatal P plate crashes involving idiotic driving at the scene. for good.

"oops stupid Johhnie slammed that stobie pole.....leave the car and Johnnie, good warning for other idiots"

LMAO! That is the funniest thing in this thread. Only problem is johnnie would start to stink very soon.

[Van D]

Originally Posted by XCSEDAN

i think now, after reading the posts in the thread, i think an EFFECTIVE idea would be an OPTIONAL driver training scheme, where if you take the extra driver training, 1 year gets taken off the amount of time you spend on your P's.

I think that's one of the better ones, but perhaps only 6 months, not a year.

What I find funny is that once you're off your P's you can drive anything you want, no matter what the power or your skill at driving. It's almost as if there needs to be a plate system for all drivers, and they involve restrictions on powerful cars as well.

Tool/bogan, who still can't drive after P's, in some beat up box that's done some backyard mods to the motor for some descent (but unreliable power) can fang around all he likes. Grandma could also pass in her camry for a BB in a corty.

Can either of them DRIVE the cars? Nope.

[cuz]

Originally Posted by T-BOOST

What the hell are you on?
So giving someone a heap of power before having any experiance on the roads is a better idea is it? Grow up mate

A datto can get up to speeds that kill, yes but a powerfull car can get there a hell of a lot quicker, as iv'e stated above alot less reaction time for someone with little experiance is very dangerous!!

WTF?? Get off your sister you forking peanut!

Have you bothered to read this whole thread or just my post?
P-platers ARE getting a heap of power without experience already. Driving a car is a heap of power and regardless of how fast or slow it accelerates or how much power it has, the point of my post was that it can still kill.
I know nothing about power restriction laws at the moment but if its a gradual process thru-out your P's, then thats a good thing. As your experience grows, so does your confidence and that should be rewarded if its used correctly.

I'll grow up if you grow a brain.

[XCSEDAN]

Originally Posted by irish2

Maybe a series of courses or training can add up to a year off provisional licence. A 1 day defensive driver course is not enough to remove a whole year.

yeah i didnt meen one day, probably should have said that. so maybe its a good idea?

[BlackLS]

Firstly think of the mentality of those young people who crash. I recon the greater proporition are "hoons" or unconfident drivers. Take out those incidents and you'll probably see that crash statistics will be level with the rest of the population.

Way to deal with this:
- On your L's to get your P's you do a driver awareness course similar to AAMI's course, where they show you the difference between 35kmhs to 45kmhs and its effect to stability in heavy braking, swerve, swerve+brake, slalom, and hairpin cornering. They show you hazard perception type theory etc.
- During your P1's you can't carry other passengers or get your P2s until an advanced driving course is done.

[FlipXW]

My old man had a 302 XW gs mont for his first car when he was 15, then when he was 18 bought a heavily worked 351 XA fairmont. He has never been involved in an accident and only a couple of small speeding fines.
The whole time on my L's i drove an XR8 so i mostly know what it capible of.
If he could drive these cars without a problem I cant see why I couldnt. I was devo when I found out i wouldnt be able to drive the XY, a car i'd spent 3 years restoring and poured thousands of dollas into. Thats really the only rule im sour about.

[XCSEDAN]

here's another idea
a reality check scheme, when they do the course maybe they have to sit infront of some-one giving them a presentation, say the parents of a loved one who was killed on the roads. just to open up people's eyes to what can happen.

by the way im not targeting idiotic hoons, its just P-platers and inexperienced drivers in general, a situation can arise that is out of their control and like it or not they have to react, if they know how to do that or have some idea of what to do, because they did some driver training and they save a life or 2, then its got to be worth it doesn't it?

[TomXY]

how about after passing the driving test you get your full license and 12 points and can drive whatever car you want, but theres still 3 chances for hoons.

[T-BOOST]

Originally Posted by cuz351

I don't think that power restrictions work too well. If you restrict the power levels, they will not be used to the new power level once they get access to it. That in itself could create accidents.

It will cause more accidents if they have no experiance in a car and jumping into a powerfull one, than getting some road experiance first then getting more power.

You have said "they will not be used to the new power level once they get access to it. That in itself could create accidents."

And how are they suppose be used to it if they havn't even driven yet???

And now your saying.... "but if its a gradual process thru-out your P's, then thats a good thing. As your experience grows, so does your confidence and that should be rewarded if its used correctly."
Make up your mind

[cuz]

Originally Posted by T-BOOST

It will cause more accidents if they have no experiance in a car and jumping into a powerfull one, than getting some road experiance first then getting more power.

You have said "they will not be used to the new power level once they get access to it. That in itself could create accidents."

And how are they suppose be used to it if they havn't even driven yet???

And now your saying.... "but if its a gradual process thru-out your P's, then thats a good thing. As your experience grows, so does your confidence and that should be rewarded if its used correctly."
Make up your mind

I was referring to an earlier post that said P-platers should not be allowed to drive anything more than a 4 cylinder.
Like I said before, did you read the whole thread or just the parts you can understand??
It must be hard for you to read words that aren't written in crayon!!

I've made up my mind... your a moron. : : :

[FlipXW]

These threads always end up in a sh!tfight as no one is really ever right or wrong. It just one persons opinion against the other. Not really much point in making it personal.

[GK351]

Driver training should be on the priority list.
How do handle loss of control, skidding in rain, and the such.

I spend some 10 hours a day in a truck on sydney road's and let me tell you,
it's not the high powered cars the p platers are driveing its the other's in camry's
or mum and dads cars that scare me.

[nugget378]

No amount of training in skid recovery or slaloms will get rid of that "Im a fangio" attitude,or wanting to big note themselves in front of their mates.
The problem is self control,not car control...

[Airmon]

Coming from a P-Plater...
Government Subsidies on Advanced Driver Courses!!

If the government said to me "Hey, take your car to this big patch of gravel and go for your life" Guess who'd be out putting the stockies on!!

Originally Posted by nugget378

No amount of training in skid recovery or slaloms will get rid of that "Im a fangio" attitude,or wanting to big note themselves in front of their mates.
The problem is self control,not car control...

True, but would you rather than a P-Plater learn the limits of their car in an empty cul-der-sac at 1am with glass, telephone poles and their mates around? Or on a skid pan with an instructor AND their mates around.
Throw in a free BBQ to sweeten the deal :P

[GK351]

I had no self control when i was on my p's many years ago.
we were all young once. bet most of you's didnt.

Having said that though, their was a time and place for it.
Not during peak hour traffic on princess hwy weaving in and out of lanes dukes of hazzard style.

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by GK5766

I had no self control when i was on my p's many years ago.
we were all young once. bet most of you's didnt.

Having said that though, their was a time and place for it.
Not during peak hour traffic on princess hwy weaving in and out of lanes dukes of hazzard style.

Your dead right,I didnt.

And my old man knew it and wouldnt let me buy the 351 XC I wanted,and looking back, I can now see why control's of this sort have merit..

[GK351]

Originally Posted by nugget378

Your dead right,I didnt.

And my old man knew it and wouldnt let me buy the 351 XC I wanted,and looking back, I can now see why control's of this sort have merit..

Thats fair enough..
But whats stopping p platers doing silly things in camry's, falcons commos?

The amount of camry's with p's i have seen trying to break land speed records
is amazing.

Still think some sort of off/road driver training to be compulsory will have its benefits. Some real life crash scene pictures tends to work and make you think twice too.

[T-BOOST]

Originally Posted by cuz351

I was referring to an earlier post that said P-platers should not be allowed to drive anything more than a 4 cylinder.
Like I said before, did you read the whole thread or just the parts you can understand??

Yeah i read the whole lot. Your referance to that post your talking about was only that a datto can still go fast (and be dangerous). Iv'e made no comment to this being untrue.
My comments were projected at the stupid statement you made after it. but i guess this might be a bit hard for you to understand.
I give up.

[Justin@]

Originally Posted by T-BOOST

Yeah i read the whole lot. Your referance to that post your talking about was only that a datto can still go fast (and be dangerous). Iv'e made no comment to this being untrue.
My comments were projected at the stupid statement you made after it. but i guess this might be a bit hard for you to understand.
I give up.

About time you did... you were digging a very big hole using your stupidity as a shovel.

[HLC]

power to weight ratio stuff is useless.

yeah it might take you a lot longer to get to the speed limit.

but if you hit a telegraph pole at 100+ kph, regardless if you are in a charade, or xr6t or something faster, you will most probably get dead.

[VIBEBA]

Originally Posted by ZC-383

About time you did... you were digging a very big hole using your stupidity as a shovel.