Ford considers axing V8 Falcon

[wilba]

Ford is screwed anyway,who cares? As far as the so called turbo,my brother had bought one brand new and it was a $47,000 boat anchor.No wonder ford is in such strife,they have completely lost the plot.Toyota has blown them out of the water and thats a fact,there is no escaping that.Cry as you may but its the absolute truth,toyota will take up when Ford has finished digging its own grave.
Cheers.

[ECOJET]

Originally Posted by wilba

Ford is screwed anyway,who cares? As far as the so called turbo,my brother had bought one brand new and it was a $47,000 boat anchor.No wonder ford is in such strife,they have completely lost the plot.Toyota has blown them out of the water and thats a fact,there is no escaping that.Cry as you may but its the absolute truth,toyota will take up when Ford has finished digging its own grave.
Cheers.

because the aurion is just totally outselling the commodore and falcon
never in australia will a FWD sedan dominate the market.
It is a nice v6, but again powering the front wheels was them digging their graves.. even the TRD isn't matching the output of an xr6 and not even in the same ballpark with the performance/potential.
Fords V6 hopefully delivers, it might not make as much low down torque but with things like direct injection it should be a good motor.. sad the inline 4L is going but we still got a couple more years of it plus theres going to be hundreds of thousands of them left still around for many years

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by Serial_Fool

True, If Ford were to discontinue V8 production then V8 Supercars wouldn't need to exist.

Holden vs Toyota
V8 Superfridges

Selling/promoting V8 Falcons and Commodores isnt the only reason the Supercars exist, even if Ford drop the 8, the Supercars would continue. The problem for racing fans would be whether Ford thought there was still anything to be gained from supporting the sport in anyway.

In Nascars you have V8 Camry's/Taurus's etc with no link (not even panels) to road cars.

[burnz]

is't ford going to use a 5.0 v8 after 2010.
that will make it closer to v8sc..

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by wilba

Ford is screwed anyway,who cares? As far as the so called turbo,my brother had bought one brand new and it was a $47,000 boat anchor.No wonder ford is in such strife,they have completely lost the plot.Toyota has blown them out of the water and thats a fact,there is no escaping that.Cry as you may but its the absolute truth,toyota will take up when Ford has finished digging its own grave.
Cheers.

Why do you call it a 'so called' Turbo? Was there no snail under the bonnet when you got it home? Have you driven the Supercharged Aurion and is it any good?

Ford isnt screwed, the whole line up is very strong from Fiesta through to Territory. If Falcon fails it will be because people just dont want large cars anymore. If that happens how long do you think Toyota Head Office would let Australia build Aussie Aurions, when they can just import V6 Camrys (which is what an Aurion is anyway) the Aussie Commodore would probably be replaced by imported Pontiac G8s as well.

[mickyyyy]

I have 2 admit im only a fan of V8 fords from EL backwards, AU onwards just dosent do it for me but the holden stuff does.

[steamin63]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

They should ditch the v8 honestly most of australia doesnt care about it sure there are those people who will give a but most people will buy there xts and v6 holdens and clunk about with there hyundais the v8 is a dying breed let holden run it into the ground and hopefully they can drive it into a pole aswell to remove some of the holden driving bogan scum

you're an idiot!

[ECOJET]

Originally Posted by mickyyyy

I have 2 admit im only a fan of V8 fords from EL backwards, AU onwards just dosent do it for me but the holden stuff does.

haha im opposite, i think the EA-ED is possibly the ugliest sedan in history, that and the sillouette skylines.. EF+ looks great and a much more refined motor, au still looks good imo and B series are excellent in every way except weight.
Falcon owns the holden 6 in every way, i havent driven an alloytec but it doesnt sound overly great..

[Serial_Fool]

Originally Posted by mickyyyy

I have 2 admit im only a fan of V8 fords from EL backwards, AU onwards just dosent do it for me but the holden stuff does.

EL backwards? The 5.0 Windsors of the EB-EL era were complete slugs in stock form. The AU Windsors were the best of the bunch.

[VZKOOP]

Originally Posted by steamin63

you're an idiot!

An accurate and fair assessment.

[mickyyyy]

Yeh all E series up to EF/EL were pretty ugly, i like EF/EL's but not AU's but BA's are not bad 2.

[wilba]

Hi all
I was referring to the car as a.."so called Turbo"..because the car spent so much time at the dealers being repaired it was hardly ever on the road,hence the turbo side of the thing was rarely used.As I said before a $47,000 boat anchor,I pity the poor bastard that bought it after,the dealer sent it to auction and didn't have the courage to sell it out of his dealership.Secondly I was referring to toyota as a company and not the aurion as a particular competitor.When ford is finished toyota will introduce its own V8 as a replacement,they have had them for decades in japan they just don't bring them here.
Cheers.

[ac-460]

Mate the toyota v8 aint a flash engine anyway the twin turbo 6 goes better if you want to talk about jap go on a hot four forum!!!!!

[BAxtER]

Originally Posted by wilba

Hi all
I was referring to the car as a.."so called Turbo"..because the car spent so much time at the dealers being repaired it was hardly ever on the road,hence the turbo side of the thing was rarely used.As I said before a $47,000 boat anchor,I pity the poor bastard that bought it after,the dealer sent it to auction and didn't have the courage to sell it out of his dealership.Secondly I was referring to toyota as a company and not the aurion as a particular competitor.When ford is finished toyota will introduce its own V8 as a replacement,they have had them for decades in japan they just don't bring them here.
Cheers.

oh no...one lemon ba xr6turbo and now ford is up sh*ts creek without a paddle? : _

[wilba]

Try hundreds my friend.Also try the nsw police fleet of xr8's.They were so great they had the exact same problem as the turbo and were all returned.Thats why Ford is up creek and at the bottom of the sales list I guess.As you say all because of one little lemon turbo and maybe one little lemon xr8.

[wilba]

Oh Yeah,I almost forgot,The almighty FORD dealers can't fix em either.So enjoy your time up the creek because thats where you will spend all your time.
Cheers.

[ac-460]

what are you doing on a ford forum go an hop on a toyota forum with the rest of the girls

[wilba]

LMAO....you people are so funny,who is talking about driving toyota?I have probably owned more fords than you anyway,a matter of fact my father bought the first model falcon....the xk do you remember that one? Yes 1961 wasn't it eh.We then went on to own the....xm...xr...xw...xa...xc...xe...ea...and then the super reliable...."BA TURBO".So please face the facts,and don't accuse me of toyota driving.I would have been around fords far more than yourself probably,especially the late 60's to mid 70's they were the best times,thats when they built really good cars,they were great days.
Cheers.

[Deadman]

Back on topic - I believe Ford's forecast for the XR8 is to make up about 4% of all Falcon sales (I can't remember the Turbo figures off hand, but they are much higher - the XR8 is definately the "dog" of the sales line up expectations). Considering it's their only V8 variant, and is generating 4% of sales, if I was Ford, I'd be looking hard at it's existence as well.

Will be interesting how many GT's are sold compared to F6's. Unless you're a die hard V8 man, as well as a die hard Ford (or GT) badge fan, I can't see it being over competitive with HSV (or the F6) on initial reviews so far... With all this stuff, I guess only time will tell.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Ralliart

hey, guys just saw this about ford, i don't know if it has been posted yet

"Ford could again drop the V8 engine from the Falcon range in response to environmental concerns, while diesel power will at last be available for Falcon and Territory in 2010.

Will new FG XR8 be the last regular Falcon to be powered by a V8? Ford Australia is not guaranteeing the engine's presence in a future line-up.
Ford could drop the V8 engine for future Falcons.

With sales of Falcon dipping and emissions rules getting tougher, Ford Australia’s recently appointed president Bill Osborne is offering no guarantees a V8 engine is part of the Falcon’s future."
Bruce Newton - Drive.com.au


Mustang 5.0l twin turbo would fit nicely in a XR8 i think, considering the old supercharged 4.6l v8 mustang engine was good for 330kw's stock

well i'm not surprised , most people here , on a ford lovers forum . bag thier own V8 in the premium models . i think a only a small market like myself are actually in favour of the v8 over the current 6cyl.
it's a shame but i've noticed this on the forums from ford lovers . so i guess it must flow on to other brand lovers as well . if ford enthusiusts cant have anything good to say about the v8 . then why should ford even bother .

[cycle myth]

I would have thought Ford learnt from the last time they dropped the V8.

Took years to regain targeted markets and is still costing them - this would have cost more than what narrow minded bean counters note as possible losses on niche models.

But then if things aren't good then who knows what Ford will do to themselves and the brand to survive?

[steamin63]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

well i'm not surprised , most people here , on a ford lovers forum . bag thier own V8 in the premium models . i think a only a small market like myself are actually in favour of the v8 over the current 6cyl.
it's a shame but i've noticed this on the forums from ford lovers . so i guess it must flow on to other brand lovers as well . if ford enthusiusts cant have anything good to say about the v8 . then why should ford even bother .

yeah, but how many of these "ford lovers" who bag the v8's have ever driven or even owned a clevo, windsor or boss. i've noticed that there are a lot of "experts" on this forum that can't distinguish opinion from fact. i've owned everything from a 170 pursuit to a 5.4 boss [excluding the 351 windsor and the 4l turbo], xp to ba and my OPINION is that there will always be a place in the ford line up for a small block v8.cheers.

[banarcus]

It's mostly the younger crew that think the Ford V8 is irrelevant gtfpv. On the other hand, Ford didn't do themselves any favours giving the journos a FG XR8 with a 290kW motor that is a dog that even my old wagon would give a scare. The success of the 4.0L turbo is a good thing for Ford but not their V8. Perhaps the tables will be turned in 2010 if Ford bring a twin turbo 5.0L V8 along with a twin turbo 3.5 V6?

The fast and the furious appeals more to the younger guys too, as well as subaru 4x4 and evolution lancers. Maybe its a turbo thing? At least we can putt around town with the windows down listening to our burbling 8 pots without doing insane speeds to feel and hear wooshing sounds.

[78XC]

I find it perposterous that Ford even considered dropping the V8!! Becuase that would mean that they would have to drop the GT's again and thats somthing that sounds like an EXTEMELY bad idea. I know about the cost of petrol ect... And "how the V8 market is dropping", but who cares? If you buy a V8 you buy a V8 becuase they are awesome! Not to say oh this uses too much fuel, I don't like it. Personally I think that Ford should reintroduce the X moldel Falcon starting the XI, I mean it doesn't sound that bad to say does it (having X- moldels that they havn't had before of coarse). And re-make the 302 and 351 or 4.9/5.8 with the moldern inhansements, now that would be cool. But thats just my two cents.
Thanks,
Andrew

[chevypower]

How is life in the 70's XC? petrol hitting 25c a litre yet? J/K

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by mickyyyy

I have 2 admit im only a fan of V8 fords from EL backwards, AU onwards just dosent do it for me but the holden stuff does.

AU Windsors were quite possibly, if not the best incarnation of the 302 and even 342 in T3.
You said AU onwards stuff doesnt do it for you but Holden stuff does? Arent the equivlent Generation holden V8's chevs anyway

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by wilba

LMAO....you people are so funny,who is talking about driving toyota?I have probably owned more fords than you anyway,a matter of fact my father bought the first model falcon....the xk do you remember that one? Yes 1961 wasn't it eh.We then went on to own the....xm...xr...xw...xa...xc...xe...ea...and then the super reliable...."BA TURBO".So please face the facts,and don't accuse me of toyota driving.I would have been around fords far more than yourself probably,especially the late 60's to mid 70's they were the best times,thats when they built really good cars,they were great days.
Cheers.

I doubt that 'if' Ford went under, people that were going to buy its preformance model XR6T-GTP would go and buy a camry or Aurion. I know i wouldnt

[ac-460]

its amazing how everyone bags out the 5.4 when all alot of people want is to own a 427sohc all the 5.4 is missing is cubic inches the technology is similiar I own a xr8 ute a baII fpvgt a cobra 545 big block stroker a 69 mustang mach 1 which Im currently restoring it is getting a 5.4 boss. I think most people that bag out the boss have never driven one

[steamin63]

Originally Posted by chevypower

How is life in the 70's XC? petrol hitting 25c a litre yet? J/K

since the introduction of the vb commy ,ford has had 5 series of falcon - x , e, a, b, and f . as sad as it is to say the commy has got a heritage spanning 30 odd years . the falcon had a heritage up to the xf but since then it's been a mish mash of cars that have very little in common with their predecesor. i would like to see the x series reintroduced [just as the gt was] and ford to ram the the 40+ years of falcon heritage down the throat of the buying public. don't forget the people most likely to buy a large/medium sedan are 35 to 55 year old men and our generation grew up with the x series. our dads owned them and in a lot of cases our first new car was an x series. cheers.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by steamin63

since the introduction of the vb commy ,ford has had 5 series of falcon - x , e, a, b, and f . as sad as it is to say the commy has got a heritage spanning 30 odd years . the falcon had a heritage up to the xf but since then it's been a mish mash of cars that have very little in common with their predecesor. i would like to see the x series reintroduced [just as the gt was] and ford to ram the the 40+ years of falcon heritage down the throat of the buying public. don't forget the people most likely to buy a large/medium sedan are 35 to 55 year old men and our generation grew up with the x series. our dads owned them and in a lot of cases our first new car was an x series. cheers.

: So the falcon stopped being a falcon when the EA came out? "x" is just a prefix... :