Bathurst, Is It Still The Race?????

[XR8putts]

Originally Posted by Wally

You may think that being bombastic makes you right, but how do you know? The event is naturally bigger than it was in the sixties/seventies... the population is bigger and the media coverage wider. I would suspect on a prorata basis the the event is nowhere near as popular as in the 60's/70's.

So the event is bigger, crowds are bigger and the media coverage is bigger. Hmm. Interesting point you make regarding relative popularity in the 60/70s, sadly our beloved Fords and Holdens are about 70% less popular today than they were in the same era.

Originally Posted by Wally

How half the beer drinking, non consumer male population would glue themselves to their lounge chairs on the day, with wives wandering around the house with pursed lips?

This has never, ever, changed.

[Wally]

In 2007 the 4 day attendance was ~150,000 (down 16000 on 2002) and the viewing audience 2,145,000 in the ratings for the week behind Kath & Kim (2.8m), Dancing with the Stars, etc.

Doesn't sound much like it has a captive audience anymore.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by puts99

Great, another one of these pointless threads.

Bathurst is bigger than ever, do a little research.

Production racing already exhists in Australia; go support it. Stop trying to change the most successful formula to date. If it's half as good as you think it'll be, then V8Supercars will die and everyone will flock to the all-mighty Production Series.

The days of what wins on Sunday sells on Monday are gone. Accept it.

If it we went to production racing tomorrow, the GTS with MRC would win every single race. FPV can't afford to put new wheels on thier FG range, you think they will be developing modern-age GTHOs to compete with the HSV GTS/WD40?

FFS get a clue some of you.

Is Bathurst, still Bathurst? Go and search for the threads on the great race from last year alone. I cried at the end of the 2006 race with Lowndes, hadn't cried in years and havn't cried since, and I know for a fact quite a few people on these forums alone did too - Yes it's still Bathurst, and it's better than ever. Old farts.

Bahahahahaha.............enough of the OLD FARTS, if your public profile is anything to go on im only 3 1/2 years older :

And to all the genuine Old Farts keep the recollections coming, with them and the masses of old race footage i have collected it only proves my point.....

If you belive all the hype and so called "stats" that surrounded Big Brother for years, then please explain what happend to it????

V8SC are commercialism gone mad, and they will be there own undoing......

And to all those that have not been there go to this thread for more...

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...6&page=1&pp=25

[T-Pak Addict]

Best thing I have ever seen but cant remember what year it was...

Race had finished and was a privateer pushing his car and you could see he was knackered (bout 100 metres from line) and the crowd cheering him on (push, push, push) and a heap of people waiting for the front bumber to hit the line and help the guy. He was giving it all he had and did it (didnt want a DNF). You could almost hear everyone in front of their TV's praying and supporting the guy as well as everyone on the track.

The bastards gave him a DNF anyway cos the car didnt make it under its own power. I was ropable and ****ed off as I am sure quite a few other people were as well.

[DJR-351]

http://www.v8supercar.com.au/content...olden_duopoly/

[S3SR]

well if they used production cars then it wouldnt be V8 "supercars"

and this logo would be incorrect

im all for a mixed bag of exotics and local built cars and jo-blows racing team with bundy rum stickers on his XD falcon, but leave V8 supercars as that its not V8 supercars and V6 japanese cars and everything else australia

i agree in that there needs to be more motorsports like the V8 supercars but with more manufacturers but asking V8 supercars to change would be like saying telstra now sell medicated soap, can happen but why!!!???

GOOD OLD AUSSIES USED TO BUY A CAR ON THE OUTCOME OF THESE RACES BUT WHAT YOU SEE NOW IS NOT A REPRESENTATION OF WHATS BEEN DRIVEN TODAY

NO we now buy cars based on fuel economy, price, safety and looks not because lowndsey won on philip island so ill buy an XR6 or a fairlane, it was a V8 supercar that won not a phantom purple XR6... and if we lived by that then tell all those that bought a falcon or commodore after it won only to get a lemon??? that didnt happen on tv
and it won on a track with a roll cage in it and no rear seats and no aircon, hmmm id love to buy that car because it was .4 secs quicker than a commodore and so will my falcon

[XR8putts]

Originally Posted by S3SR

im all for a mixed bag of exotics and local built cars and jo-blows racing team with bundy rum stickers on his XD falcon, but leave V8 supercars as that its not V8 supercars and V6 japanese cars and everything else australia

Exactly. That's my biggest gripe with this thread and all the other similar ones.

The only solution they can come up with is to completely overhaul the V8Supercar Championship.

Why not support the exhisting production-class series (which already has everything the bring-back-the-days-of-old club is asking for anyway)?
Why not create a new, super-awesome production series that would be ever so popular and lead to the demise of the V8Supercars?

But no, lets destroy V8Supercars so 5% of motorsport fans are momentarily happy and just sit back and wait untill they realize that production-class racing just won't work anymore intodays climate.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by S3SR

well if they used production cars then it wouldnt be V8 "supercars"

and this logo would be incorrect

im all for a mixed bag of exotics and local built cars and jo-blows racing team with bundy rum stickers on his XD falcon, but leave V8 supercars as that its not V8 supercars and V6 japanese cars and everything else australia

i agree in that there needs to be more motorsports like the V8 supercars but with more manufacturers but asking V8 supercars to change would be like saying telstra now sell medicated soap, can happen but why!!!??

NO we now buy cars based on fuel economy, price, safety and looks not because lowndsey won on philip island so ill buy an XR6 or a fairlane, it was a V8 supercar that won not a phantom purple XR6... and if we lived by that then tell all those that bought a falcon or commodore after it won only to get a lemon??? that didnt happen on tv
and it won on a track with a roll cage in it and no rear seats and no aircon, hmmm id love to buy that car because it was .4 secs quicker than a commodore and so will my falcon

MATE, YOU ARE SO FAR OF THE MARK YOU MAY AS WELL BE ON ANOTHER PLANET!!!!!!!!!

Im not against the V8SC themselves, read the thread, i watch them all the time. Its all about choice and unless some of you walk around with it up your @#$%, not everybody in this country likes Holden & Ford. What i would like to see is the Premier Motor race in Australia (whatever guise that may take) open to fans of all makes of, as the race was origanily run, instead of the two horse race it has become.

No where in this thread have i said get rid of the V8SC series, i just belive it needs freshing up, if that means other makes great, if that means rule changes to let in other makes, no problems they manage to do that easily enough when it suits there own money making agenda.....

I know nobody would buy a car on the outcome of a race today, i was trying to make a point about the tradition of the "Great Race" the same as a lot people who used to drive a Holden, Valiant, mini, torana, fiat, falcon or whatever used to cheer the same make, but obviously that point went 30,000ft over your head.......

And buy the way buddy a lot of GTs, Monaro,s, Toranas, Chargers, and others where quickly snaped up after Bathurst whether they won or not!!!!!

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by puts99

Exactly. That's my biggest gripe with this thread and all the other similar ones.

The only solution they can come up with is to completely overhaul the V8Supercar Championship.

Why not support the exhisting production-class series (which already has everything the bring-back-the-days-of-old club is asking for anyway)?
Why not create a new, super-awesome production series that would be ever so popular and lead to the demise of the V8Supercars?

But no, lets destroy V8Supercars so 5% of motorsport fans are momentarily happy and just sit back and wait untill they realize that production-class racing just won't work anymore intodays climate.

agree 100% too many people whinge.

[XR8putts]

Originally Posted by XA351COUPE

Im not against the V8SC themselves, read the thread, i watch them all the time. Its all about choice and unless some of you walk around with it up your @#$%, not everybody in this country likes Holden & Ford. What i would like to see is the Premier Motor race in Australia (whatever guise that may take) open to fans of all makes of, as the race was origanily run, instead of the two horse race it has become.

No where in this thread have i said get rid of the V8SC series, i just belive it needs freshing up, if that means other makes great, if that means rule changes to let in other makes, no problems they manage to do that easily enough when it suits there own money making agenda.....

How many times do you have to be told?
SUCH A SERIES ALREADY EXHISTS!!! :togo:








Go and support them.
www.pcaa.com.au

And to think you're giving another forum member grief for points going over his head. The exact same thing you people are crying about already exhists and is doing well (looks great too), it just needs more support from you supposed fans of production-racing and it'll fly. Yet for some reason you don't get out there and attend races? No, lets butcher the highly succesful V8Supercar formula.

[4Vman]

No one supports prody racing because its slow and boring compared to the alternative....
There is definately a place for it, and IMO it gets about the right level of coverage and support for what it offers fans and sponsors.
Its a form of natural selection, if it was such a good form of racing it would have taken over.. but it hasnt and it wont. Its not the solution.

[XR8putts]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

No one supports prody racing because its slow and boring compared to the alternative....
There is definately a place for it, and IMO it gets about the right level of coverage and support for what it offers fans and sponsors.
Its a form of natural selection, if it was such a good form of racing it would have taken over.. but it hasnt and it wont. Its not the solution.

Precisely.

[Wally]

You seem to forget that we are talking about Bathurst "The Race". It was the SuperCars that are the Johnny Come Latelies, the ones that stole the day from the production vehicles after they did all the hard work creating the festivity and legends.

[4Vman]

I think the V8SC formula is about right, the real question around the racing circles is can 1 or 2 more brands adopt that set formula successfully without ruining parity or loosing their brand identity.....

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Wally

You seem to forget that we are talking about Bathurst "The Race". It was the SuperCars that are the Johnny Come Latelies, the ones that stole the day from the production vehicles after they did all the hard work creating the festivity and legends.

There hasnt been a true production class "real" Bathurst since 1971.... From 72 onwards the cars were modified under improved production rules then group C, they were a long way from their road going donating siblings... group A was a production masquerade, the Group A racers had virtually nothing in common with their road car homologation donors apart from basic spec and shells....

[Mercury 8]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

There hasnt been a true production class "real" Bathurst since 1971.... From 72 onwards the cars were modified under improved production rules then group C, they were a long way from their road going donating siblings... group A was a production masquerade, the Group A racers had virtually nothing in common with their road car homologation donors apart from basic spec and shells....

Awe come on don't burst the bubble. The pic shows just how exciting proddys can be.Side by side through the corners rubbing panels, fast down the straights and look at the braking duel!! :

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Mercury 8

Awe come on don't burst the bubble. The pic shows just how exciting proddys can be.Side by side through the corners rubbing panels, fast down the straights and look at the braking duel!! :

That was probably a shot of the first lap too... the field spreads out so quickly you don't know who's leading or who's on the same lap!
The only "breaking duel" is seeing who can break the least number of driveline parts per race...

[xfsound]

im 17, and this year round will be my 6th yr goin to the mountain

I have always loved the race it self but after hearing one year that there was a 24hr race with all different cars from all around the world, i had to go see it

so i went to the 2003 bathurst 24 hour race, and out of all the races ive ever been to, it had to be the best race

it had it all

but i gotta agree seeing more cars on the track will be awesome

[Wally]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

There hasnt been a true production class "real" Bathurst since 1971.... From 72 onwards the cars were modified under improved production rules then group C, they were a long way from their road going donating siblings... group A was a production masquerade, the Group A racers had virtually nothing in common with their road car homologation donors apart from basic spec and shells....

Yeah it started to loose it's raw appeal around that period.

I still think a double header is the go.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Wally

You seem to forget that we are talking about Bathurst "The Race". It was the SuperCars that are the Johnny Come Latelies, the ones that stole the day from the production vehicles after they did all the hard work creating the festivity and legends.

HEY puts99, try reading the above from wally, or are you as inteligent as your avatar suggests, think hard DIMWIT, what is the thread title????????

It does not say "KILL THE V8SC SERIES THREAD" we are talking about one race, Bathurst... :

If these threads @#$s you of so much then do it, @#$s of : :

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Wally

Yeah it started to loose it's raw appeal around that period.

I still think a double header is the go.

Ive enjoyed every period, i look back on the early Bathursts because of my enjoyment of GT Falcons, i loved group C because of GT's and Moffat and Johnson also the mighty 351C, i loved Group A because of Johnson, ive embraced V8SC's because they're fast and exciting... every period has had its ups and downs, but every period has ended because it lost its appeal or relevance....

[XR8putts]

Originally Posted by XA351COUPE

It does not say "KILL THE V8SC SERIES THREAD" we are talking about one race, Bathurst... :

If these threads @#$s you of so much then do it, @#$s of : :

You're kidding right?

This production-series already races at Bathurst, I bet you wern't there supporting them, despite the fact it's precisely what you've moaning and crying for.

Cannot beleive how thick you are.

[DJR-351]

To all i apologize for my outburst in #80 but the one-eyedness of some people gets up my nose at times....

I would just like to reiterate my position on this subject though, i am NOT for seeing the demise of the V8SC in the favour of Production cars, what i would like to see is the present format opened up to other manufacturers. The problem i see with this statement, is some people automatically relate multi-manufacturer racing to production racing because a few, including myself, have stated how much they enjoyed the racing of the 60s 70s and early 80s when you had multi-manufactors compeating.

I would suggest those that want to comment on this subject go out and buy the latest copy of Auto Action #1299 and have a good read as to what is going on with V8SC, especially with the reduction in funding by Ford and the impact it will have. The letters from readers, pages 14-15, make interesting reading, as do pages 18-19.

Two quotes from Auto Action:

Tony Cochrane on the impact of Fords desion: "It throws up the LONG-HELD view it,s probably time we allowed a third manufacturer".

Page 19, last paragraph, "Will another manufacturer enter V8 Supercars?".....
Answer...." Not in 2009, but 2010 remains a realistic target to allow for the development and homologation of a V8 Supercar.
While speculation has centred on Triple Eights Roland Dane and his talks with Toyota, Dane himself has gone to great lengths to point out that any discussions were of a general nature and not regarding the Japanese giants possible entry into V8 racing.
And Toyota has repeatedly denied that it is interested in V8 racing while no other manufacturer has throw its hat into the V8 ring.
But the message from the V8 paddock is clear. Its time to throw open pitlane to other manufacturers......." un-quote.

I stick by my statement that the V8SC series in its present format needs to be changed, and by the above examples and views of others that subscribe to this excellent forum, i am not alone.

And to the question of my supporting motor racing, in any form, by attending events, I attend every possible meeting i can get to but due to the fact i spend around six to seven months of the year working overseas i need to rely on the media, and IF, as some say all i wanted was Production car racing, there is not to much of that on TV. The last time i went to Bathurst was 02 and since then i have not been home to do so, which will be the same for this year aswell as the upcoming Queensland round. As stated before i am a Foundation member of DJR but have stuck by Dick and Ford ever since i can remember.......

[xbgs351]

Bring back Formula 5000! Put a 5 litre v8 in a modern chassis and sit back and watch whilst the 2 minute barrier gets smashed to smithereens.

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay...O7w7WcBQ&hl=en

[mik]

it does seem a little boring compared to the old days when cars were more of a handfull, i stumbled across this little gem on youtube ..........for hair stand up on the back of the neck stuff check this out ( http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=diQ2YJQtXK8 ) , its driver skill that seems to be missing from modern bathursts imo, more in car instead of endless cars taxying around the track behind one another with bugger all passing.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by mik

it does seem a little boring compared to the old days when cars were more of a handfull, i stumbled across this little gem on youtube ..........for hair stand up on the back of the neck stuff check this out ( http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=diQ2YJQtXK8 ) , its driver skill that seems to be missing from modern bathursts imo, more in car instead of endless cars taxying around the track behind one another with bugger all passing.

Thats what im talking about, more racing in these short clips than a year of V8SC... http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=cEs6hm...eature=related

[Spanrz]

Yeappers... Now that's racing.
Though the different classes made it a safety factor, and that's why it is the way it is.
Loved the side by side, 1st lap up in the cutting. And how the corty ( it think) looses it coming out of the esses, leading into Forest elbow, nice slide and regain.

Think Brock also pushed for different classes, due to slow car's not moving out of the way.

Speed differences and mainly it wasn't tight racing between competitors.
Look at it now, 10 cars on qual can be split by 1/2 a sec.

Still my fav ever all time Bath moment, swear to god that day DJ, ran wide into Forest Elbow, clipped the wall, broke the tie rod and ploughed into the trees.
Swear he was "dead" that day.
Even though I still am a Brocky fan, I felt for DJ that day.
Brocky doing a tailshaft leading the race, the great crash with Murphy and Ambrose....
And that very infamous controversal race incident of the rain stoppage (red flag) on top of the mountain, DJ was given the win, and Jimmy Rich said "your a pack of A$^%$^......"

The thing that killed the Bathurst spirit was putting those 2 litre classes on the actual race weekend of the real Bathurst 1000 thus pushing back the V8's

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by BA Waggn

Brocky doing a tailshaft leading the race,
DJ was given the win, and Jimmy Rich said "your a pack of A$^%$^......"

please excuse my ignorance but when did brock do a tailshaft while leading. he broke one on the line in 1992 and during the race in 1993 while running no where. i cannot recall dick being given the win in 1992, when the race was stopped. he should have been but was not

i am not trying to belittle you (honestly), but this is a classic example of why people, believe that it was better in the past than it is now. memories are short term and people only remember what they want, not necessary what happened

times were great back in 1960 at the island (i assume), they were just as great in '70's, and again the 80's, 90's and currently.
when you see 10 minutes of footage covering a whole decade, of course the highlights will seem much better than the actual event really was. and when we first watch something, it is new and fresh. in my situation bathurst has been high on my list of priorities since 1980 when i was 11. my lesser interest in it today has more to do with the fact that i have seen it all before than the quality of racing

[Spanrz]

Lolz, sorry.
I forgot a bit, yes I think the part was DJ should have had the win, but gentle jim was given it? And they Boo'd him hence the pack of *&^&* statement.

I also thought Brockie "was" leading (my opinion) in one of the races, was in the VL commy, half way down conrod, the tailshaft flew to pieces, he had to park it.
I can't find the vid on utube. only the gearbox issue.

Excuse me for the bad memories, I was watching these live. I do remember them, how ever I have taken a few "sleepy" pills at the moment to clear a throat problem, and my memory has been shot.

I'll find the info on brockie.

[gtxb67]

sorry, i was not trying to be a smart alec, but when we look back on the past, it always seems those times were better, because we condense all the good memories/thoughts into five minutes and forget about everything else that happened in the other six hours

it was just an opportunity to suggest to others, maybe what they remember to have been so great, may not have been that way in the first place

hopefully you feel better soon