QLD Easter : 1 Km over Speed Limit Ticket!!!!!!

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by GREGL

By then your licence is gone anyway usually, unless of course you are M.P

Umm, that includes one point violations....
Would you be offended to lose your job over three demerit points?

I have a feling that a lot more companies are going to adopt these smart key GPS trackers, They're a pain.
they dob you in for not putting your seat belt on before starting ignition, exceeding speed limits, and excessive braking/

[uniacidz]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Yes all the time. But 2 things, I don't speed where there is a high chance of being caught (ie double demerit times, known hot spots etc), and I don't speed if unsafe.

Haven't been done for speeding ever. If I ever do get caught, so be it, I was speeding.

So whose the simpleton, me, or the morons who get caught speeding during double demerit periods.

Agree
Me, 3 years since a speeding fine and im no angel either admittingly.

However, double demerits, idiots on the roads this time of year, just makes sense to slow down IMHO

Rather get to my location safely then stupidily or to be a statistic

[mike_nofx]

So, what would (in anyones opinion) be the most fair option for dealing with speeding on roads?

Some examples: remove double demerits, only actually fine people exceeding the limit by 10-15%, not fine anyone for speeding at all, increase all speed limits, do what they're already doing.

[jpd80]

Grace of 8 kph to allow for vehicle speed to float...anything less is just stupid and petty victimisation..

[GREGL]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

What I find amusing is that most people think the posted speed "limit" is actually more like a speed average, or speed minimum. People are high and mighty for staying within a legal limit and not breaking the law are they?

What's your stand on the alcohol "limit", is 0.051 BAC fine, because its only juuuust over. (Although you actually get fined at 0.05)

When it is ****ing down rain and you can hardly see do you stick to the posted limit because the government tells you to ?

[350125GO]

Flippin' joke, no doubt supported by the 'if you've got nothing to hide you have nothing to fear' crowd.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

What I find amusing is that most people think the posted speed "limit" is actually more like a speed average, or speed minimum. People are high and mighty for staying within a legal limit and not breaking the law are they?

What's your stand on the alcohol "limit", is 0.051 BAC fine, because its only juuuust over. (Although you actually get fined at 0.05)

Just stay a little bit in reality here ....... there are 2 differences. 1, if you drink a few then drive, you know it, plan it and do it. Tuff titties if you get caught and so you should.

If you go 1,2 -5 over the an 80k limit, you can do if safely, watching your surroundings, driving to the conditions and can do so without the thought of breaking the law. You do it, I do it, everyone does it. I have said it so many times ..... no one can drive under the speed limit 100% of the time. It is not possible if you are driving safely.

Catch the drink drivers and those who purposely speed ....... just don't bring down the other 98% that are responsible and attentive.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

So, what would (in anyones opinion) be the most fair option for dealing with speeding on roads?

Some examples: remove double demerits, only actually fine people exceeding the limit by 10-15%, not fine anyone for speeding at all, increase all speed limits, do what they're already doing.

Actually have speeding cars spontaneously combust like we are led to believe will happen might work....

[burnz]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

What I find amusing is that most people think the posted speed "limit" is actually more like a speed average, or speed minimum. People are high and mighty for staying within a legal limit and not breaking the law are they?

What's your stand on the alcohol "limit", is 0.051 BAC fine, because its only juuuust over. (Although you actually get fined at 0.05)

so a 50kg woman is ok at 0.049
but a 120kg man at 0.051 is not?
still an arbitrary limit, like 0.08 in some states.

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

So, what would (in anyones opinion) be the most fair option for dealing with speeding on roads?

Some examples: remove double demerits, only actually fine people exceeding the limit by 10-15%, not fine anyone for speeding at all, increase all speed limits, do what they're already doing.

of all the public holidays in a year, more people die going too and from work!
where's the outrage?
where's the double demerits, should that be going 364 days?

[GREGL]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Umm, that includes one point violations....
Would you be offended to lose your job over three demerit points?

I have a feling that a lot more companies are going to adopt these smart key GPS trackers, They're a pain.
they dob you in for not putting your seat belt on before starting ignition, exceeding speed limits, and excessive braking/

Sorry thought you were talking speeding fines . I know a bloke who lost his job rolling through a stop sign, no warnings. Maybe they just wanted to get rid of him.
G.P.S is already big with the major truck companies so its only natural it filters down to the small business operator. I am sure everyone would love to know where there sals rep is !

[Outbackjack]

QLD 2013 ...... Germany 1935...... ???

[my_gxl]

They will be getting an absolute mouthful if they block a major road exiting brisbane tomorrow. I am betting I would be number 100 in line.

Blocking a road helps detect speeding. Moronic *******.

Be ready for my abuse.

There-I warned the police publicly so its ok to go ahead with my plan now.

[Auslandau]

Victoria .... the leading state on stupidity ..... says they will NOT introduce double demerits. Why? Because they actually state that there is no evidence to prove that they have any effect on the road toll or incidents during the public holidays.

Someone is wrong .......

By the way, not against speed cameras. I am against the stupid tolerances they have. Especially on freeways such as Eastlink where it has not increased nor decreased the amount of incidents since their inception. Same as Geelong road and the stupid point to points on the Hume with silly low tolerances. 2 things, lift the speed limit in some major new roads in Victoria and raise the tolerance for the cameras to something more realistic. That is all.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

No cop with half a brain will waste his time fining someone 1 km over, not when there's bigger fish to score.

Unfortunately there is the occasional cop that doesn't have half a brain. Or powertrip night.

[GREGL]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

QLD 2013 ...... Germany 1935...... ???

Nah , we are to lethargic to bother attending rallies, Bligh tried it at LANG PARK during state of origin and no one listened to her. If you can't drum up a bit of ideogist fervour out of a bunch of rabid half full? qld supporters there not much hope of a repeat of '35 thank God.
Besides the way we're going no one will be able to afford to pay the fines so the jails will be full. I'd say anachy would be closer to the mark, one day if they not careful.

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

I have a crazy idea, what if people just don't go above the speed limit?
Then they wouldn't get a fine. Or is that just silly?

Exactly. Why don't we all just keep our eyes on the speedo going downhills and forget about situational awareness. Actually knowing and seeing where you are going is overrated. Better to hit a tree or another car at exactly or just below the speed limit. What could go wrong?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Victoria .... the leading state on stupidity ..... says they will NOT introduce double demerits. Why? Because they actually state that there is no evidence to prove that they have any effect on the road toll or incidents during the public holidays.

Ah yes but what it does do is remove drivers from the road thereby reducing the amount of revenue from low end traffic offences.

[csv8]

In a 80km zone ..going on the police "logic" you hit a tree at 79km/hr you won't be killed..hit it at 81km/hr you will die ??????

[Outbackjack]

[QUOTE=csv8;4678679] police "logic" QUOTE]

I like your oxymoron there!!!

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by GREGL

Nah , we are to lethargic to bother attending rallies, Bligh tried it at LANG PARK during state of origin and no one listened to her. If you can't drum up a bit of ideogist fervour out of a bunch of rabid half full? qld supporters there not much hope of a repeat of '35 thank God.
Besides the way we're going no one will be able to afford to pay the fines so the jails will be full. I'd say anachy would be closer to the mark, one day if they not careful.

One could argue that it was apathy that got ol' hitler over the mark....

[CFOUR]

Originally Posted by Peuty

Coming from a border town in western QLD, I can tell you that it's not just the physics that change once you cross that line!

the quality of Rugby league players dramatically drops and the weather turns for the worse, true story

[CFOUR]

Originally Posted by Revolver 45

Unfortunately there is the occasional cop that doesn't have half a brain. Or powertrip night.

I recently had a (high Ranking) cop tell me that 30%-50% of the people they employ are inept but the pickings are so slim they have little to no choice in staff.
They genuinely need quality recruits but the dismal pay and situations like this damaging there credibility wont help the situation.

[CFOUR]

Originally Posted by csv8

In a 80km zone ..going on the police "logic" you hit a tree at 79km/hr you won't be killed..hit it at 81km/hr you will die ??????

The Forces at play do multiply so small numbers can add up but weight and friction are as much a issue, so fat people and cars with nankangs are also more dangerous than people going marginally over or under the speed limit.

[In Focus]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

One could argue that it was apathy that got ol' hitler over the mark....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

[Bam]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

I have a crazy idea, what if people just don't go above the speed limit?
Then they wouldn't get a fine. Or is that just silly?

“Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools.”

Douglas Bader

[GCRXR6]

[QUOTE=burnz;4678589]so a 50kg woman is ok at 0.049
but a 120kg man at 0.051 is not?
still an arbitrary limit, like 0.08 in some states.

It's clear that you don't understand Anatomy and Physiology. Have a little research study before you make such quotes.

.05 BAC is the same BAC regardless of weight. A 50 kg person would require less alcohol than a 120 kg person to reach that level, but both will be effected physiologically to approximately the same level at .05. Females require even less due to fat content.

[FGX-351]

Originally Posted by flappist

Are you really that battered and beaten that you believe that just because someone take a measurement on a device that it is 100% accurate?

The LIDARs are not fixed into a frame the are being manually held. It is impossible for a human being to stay perfectly still and the movement of 1km/h is not noticeable so if you are doing exactly 100 and the copper has a slight wind behind him or is a bit tired or whatever the LIDAR measures the difference between the speed you are going and the speed it is going. Assuming it is perfectly stationary is foolish and naive and under the law the copper will have to prove he was not moving at a rate that is imperceptible to the naked eye. Good luck with that.

Agree with everything above.

If they are not using a tripod stand or the corrective shoulder harness there is no way they can maintain a steady hand to maintain an accurate reading especially at distances greater than 150m away regardless of device range capabilities, thats not factoring in wind speed, other cars and where the LIDAR is situated when recording allegeded offence/

I highly recommend everyone familiarise themselves with the Australian standards for LIDAR devices whether to know where you stand if you've allegedly commited an offence or even just food for thought for future reference.

Ref numbers are AS4691.1-2003 definitions & device requirements and AS4691.2-2003 Operation proceedures.

All available at your state libraries at no cost, knowledge is power.

Apologies for going off topic, just wanted to share this with everyone.

[csv8]

http://www.techlife.net/apps/news/20...-spotter-apps/

[FGX-351]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

So, what would (in anyones opinion) be the most fair option for dealing with speeding on roads?

Some examples: remove double demerits, only actually fine people exceeding the limit by 10-15%, not fine anyone for speeding at all, increase all speed limits, do what they're already doing.

I was just thinking about this myself.

My thoughts are instead of losing your licence, temporarily suspend licence pending a driver safety training course paid for by the motorist themselves.

I don't believe loss of licence teaches anyone how to be a better driver only "Don't get caught next time".
The driver trainer approach will give poor drivers much more skill and education behind the wheel and minimise the inconvenience with employment and family with having no licence.

The only downside to this would be less revenue.
That's my opinion anyway.

[renegadeous]

I miss the old days where you pretty much had three speed zones. 100km 80km and 60km. Yeah everybody took a bit of liberty on a good stretch of tar but I reckon it was safer doing that, then constantly trying to work out if your GPS is reading the correct speed of if it's dropped from 100 to 90.

Too much time now spent on trying to work out if you are doing the right thing rather than doing the sensible thing as in the past.