Confirmed: Commodore to live past 2017 - Page 3

MethodX · 22-01-2015, 02:09 AM

Just give us a down specced Cadillac CTS and CTS-V with Holden badges.
That would probably keep the majority happy.

And the ATS as the Torana... ATS-V as the XU-1.

I know.... keep dreamin.

uniacidz · 22-01-2015, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by brismike

I call bull****. A Magna beating an XR6? No way man.

What the poster BENT_8 forgot to mention about the 'magna' is that he has a 2001 Mitsubishi Magna TJ VRX 5sp manual

Quite forgetful to mention that, seems like important info actually to leave out

Very very similar 0-100 times for the apparent BF XR6 compared to the VRX

BF XR6 with wife weight, yeh can see it being beaten by a more alert VRX driver

WHYME · 22-01-2015, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Yeah, im fairly sure the bellowing black **** left in his wake would suggest he was up it.
I wont say too much but the particular section of road entices the practice as impatient ******* jump into the right lane at the light because they cant wait for the 3 cars in front of them, then blast off to get back into the left lane before it ends.
I see it everyday and 99% of the time I ignore them, but ol' mate was rude.

Anyhoo, my point is that ol' mate thought my FWD magna with ****** bodykit was somehow inferior to his RWD Falcon of half its age and the best part of 30kw higher output, yet at the end of his 15 seconds of madness he was right back where he started.
That's the bogan mentality I referred too, the belief that anything FWD is gutless, torque steering rubbish.

If Ford engineered Falcon to be FWD and imported it post 2016 are you saying for a family hack of $25-30k you wouldn't put your wife and kids in it just because it was FWD?

So getting back on topic, who cares wether the next GM product carries the Holden or Commodore nameplate, or wether its FWD.
It will only be a family hack anyway, which is all the Commodore or falcon were ever envisaged to be.
GM will provide the enthusiast with an alternative to keep everyone happy as will Ford.

I'm glad you're mature about it and didn't just start cussing me out. I didn't mean to be rude In my post either, sorry if it seemed that way. One thing I can agree with you on is that not all FWD cars are gutless. Have you ever driven a 2010 onwards MPS? Fricken hell these things pull hard. Anyways you're right, the average buyer these days only care if it's a manual/auto and how many cylinders it has, if done right this will sell.

**Polyal** · 22-01-2015, 12:37 PM

It would be nice that if Ford was asked why they dropped the falcon name, which they should, why they think it would be bad idea not to treat the general public like fools in thinking the car is of the same lineage.

Spin it back on GM when ever you can IMO.

BENT_8 · 22-01-2015, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by uniacidz

What the poster BENT_8 forgot to mention about the 'magna' is that he has a 2001 Mitsubishi Magna TJ VRX 5sp manual

Quite forgetful to mention that, seems like important info actually to leave out

Very very similar 0-100 times for the apparent BF XR6 compared to the VRX

BF XR6 with wife weight, yeh can see it being beaten by a more alert VRX driver

Why thankyou good sir, very observant are you.

I thought the body kit reference might have given it away but true to form as with ol' mate, all the critics saw was the word Magna and overlooked its abilities.

uniacidz · 22-01-2015, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Why thankyou good sir, very observant are you.

I thought the body kit reference might have given it away but true to form as with ol' mate, all the critics saw was the word Magna and overlooked its abilities.

LOLOLOL

Thought was funny as.

Take care

blackf6 · 22-01-2015, 03:26 PM

Confirmed neutered tail dragging camira baby.

Joe5619 · 22-01-2015, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by brismike

I call bull****. A Magna beating an XR6? No way man.

I use to own a V6 Magna & trust me they are quick.. I'd say XR6 & Magna are about the same speed wise. Just depends who got the better start..

DanielXR8 · 22-01-2015, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mighty Reds

The should kill off the Commodore name and replace it with Camira.

Camira Vacationer has a ring to it.

satria · 22-01-2015, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by brismike

I call bull****. A Magna beating an XR6? No way man.

Back in my more reckless days I drag raced a mates EL XR6 Auto against my mum's stock TJ Magna Auto and the Magna blew the EL away, not even close!

Also, he had his usual drag race prep (slowly spinning the wheels at the start and he knew the best way to take off in the EL as he drag raced it at the strip) whilst I simply put the magna in D and had my foot on the brake. Lights went green and all I did was move my foot to the fast pedal and floor it and the magna won all day every day. We all had a good laugh about it because we knew the Magna was fast we just were suprised at how much faster because the EL wasn't a slouch and ripped some pretty awesome skids!

galaxy xr8 · 22-01-2015, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

I use to own a V6 Magna & trust me they are quick.. I'd say XR6 & Magna are about the same speed wise. Just depends who got the better start..

Obviously not in this instance being discussed as he “claim’s" to have given the Falcon a slight head start ?, and still “claim’s" to have beaten it marginally ?, so that would suggest that the Magna and Falcon are not about the same speed wise....

Oh dear a Falcon was beaten by a Magna on a public road and the driver was red faced in front of his wife....oh the shame..

You know I once “just" lost a traffic light duel to a VX SS 6 spd manual in my little 5 spd Laser with the wife sitting next to me, it was hilarious to see him wonder “what the **** had just nearly happened, it was only because the lane’s merged and I backed off otherwise we would have collided, I often see the tool in that same SS every morning on the way to work and still give him the look of near defeat by a little FWD 4 banger.

Just goes to show kiddies that dream’s can and do happen.

BENT_8 · 22-01-2015, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Obviously not in this instance being discussed as he “claim’s" to have given the Falcon a slight head start ?, and still “claim’s" to have beaten it marginally ?, so that would suggest that the Magna and Falcon are not about the same speed wise....

Oh dear a Falcon was beaten by a Magna on a public road and the driver was red faced in front of his wife....oh the shame..

You know I once “just" lost a traffic light duel to a VX SS 6 spd manual in my little 5 spd Laser with the wife sitting next to me, it was hilarious to see him wonder “what the **** had just nearly happened, it was only because the lane’s merged and I backed off otherwise we would have collided, I often see the tool in that same SS every morning on the way to work and still give him the look of near defeat by a little FWD 4 banger.

Just goes to show kiddies that dream’s can and do happen.

Phew, for a minute there I thought it was just me.

OwnTheRoad · 22-01-2015, 10:34 PM

I once won a traffic light drag race with a commodore vs my 3.9 V8 manual Discovery lol , sure it was wet and the Disco just launched being a permanent 4 wd , hey any horse on his preferred track can be a winner..........

malazn mafia · 22-01-2015, 10:47 PM

Theres a weird car called Holden Malibu, probably its an updated Epicafail? Looks curiously like a VF commodore. Perhaps this is the new commodore, kind of like how Daewoo Kalos became the new Barina.. Considering the sales went up when the Holden badge was attached to the Daewoo, I really wonder if Holden buyers would even notice if a Commodore badge was quietly put on a Malibu.

uniacidz · 23-01-2015, 12:22 AM

I still reckon and hope, will be based on the Cadillac versions.

They have a coupe, wagon and normal sedan version.

And crikey the engines ...

spyman03 · 25-01-2015, 08:58 AM

Hey,
Stay tuned I've already started chasing it this week prob have some pics by the ford day

Word it's based on the next insigna larger wheel base D2xx epsilon 2 chassis

Spyman

LooLoo18 · 25-01-2015, 07:31 PM

Anyone see the new Holden advert on TV tonight?
Along the lines of get ready for a change theres a new commodore on the way
No picture or anything just some kids talking about what a new car should have and look like

Grippy · 25-01-2015, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LooLoo18

Anyone see the new Holden advert on TV tonight?
Along the lines of get ready for a change theres a new commodore on the way
No picture or anything just some kids talking about what a new car should have and look like

Yep, they've started the new Commodore advertising nice and early.

LooLoo18 · 25-01-2015, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Grippy

Yep, they've started the new Commodore advertising nice and early.

Something Ford wont do for a Falcon it has out now

mtbkym01 · 25-01-2015, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LooLoo18

Something Ford wont do for a Falcon it has out now

The obvious difference I guess is that Ford have decided to "retire" the Falcon name, whereas Holden are (foolishly IMHO) going to continue with the Commodore name

chookaradley · 25-01-2015, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mtbkym01

The obvious difference I guess is that Ford have decided to "retire" the Falcon name, whereas Holden are (foolishly IMHO) going to continue with the Commodore name

The Commodore name is gold for Holden. People don't care if it's FWD. Holden buyers have proved they are loyal. Falcon name unfortunately is on the nose. Ask Nissan if they were happy to retire the Pulsar name for the Tiida when they did?

mtbkym01 · 25-01-2015, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chookaradley

The Commodore name is gold for Holden. People don't care if it's FWD. Holden buyers have proved they are loyal. Falcon name unfortunately is on the nose. Ask Nissan if they were happy to retire the Pulsar name for the Tiida when they did?

Well, I guess we will see if people care or not once it is released, I know any of my mates with Commodores, believe the car is dying after local manufacturing concludes.

chookaradley · 25-01-2015, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mtbkym01

Well, I guess we will see if people care or not once it is released, I know any of my mates with Commodores, believe the car is dying after local manufacturing concludes.

The purists might say this. The mum and dad buyers won't care. How many Cruze owners no they are driving a re-badged South Korean Daewoo.

XR Martin · 25-01-2015, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chookaradley

The Commodore name is gold for Holden. People don't care if it's FWD. Holden buyers have proved they are loyal. Falcon name unfortunately is on the nose. Ask Nissan if they were happy to retire the Pulsar name for the Tiida when they did?

Nearly 50% of Commodores sold are V8s, those are the loyal buyers.
They arnt suddenly going to be willing to trade in their V8 for a FWD V6

XR Martin · 25-01-2015, 10:56 PM

Its apparently late 2017 when local production is supposed to cease, yet they are already advertising a future model?
Me thinks local production will cease sooner than expected...

Havoc · 25-01-2015, 11:12 PM

They should kill it with dignity but having no replacement then having to think of something quick has lead to this.

dirtyclevo · 25-01-2015, 11:20 PM

why built in china

they bloody better have two production lines, one for the chinese market ( not that they'll sell any there) and one for aus and nz markets,

merc's and vw made for the chinese market in china for example are pov-pack basic models that won't pass australian standards due to manufacturing standards.

why do you think most european vehicles sold here are not made in asia.

my brothers navara is built in spain and his is vastly different to one made in thailand. the build quality and materials are cleary better.

fwd sucks in big cars. in any car actually.

fwd cars are cheaper to make,

cheaper manufacturing + same rrp = more money.

LooLoo18 · 29-01-2015, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by uniacidz

I still reckon and hope, will be based on the Cadillac versions.

They have a coupe, wagon and normal sedan version.

And crikey the engines ...

Something like this ?

johnydep · 29-01-2015, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Nearly 50% of Commodores sold are V8s, those are the loyal buyers.
They arnt suddenly going to be willing to trade in their V8 for a FWD V6

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...7&postcount=39

V8s now 37 per cent of Commodore sales

More than one in three Holden Commodores sold is fitted with a V8 engine.