The number/percent of old Falcons still registered

[GT0132]

Originally Posted by Venomous1

I don't know if i'm the only one but can't help but feel some sadness looking at the figures and knowing how little are left and how quickly they are depleting never again to be made.

I started my Ford life owning Cortinas one of those being a Mk4 (or TE as their known in Australia).

These were the biggest selling car in the UK during their years of manufacture as well as in NZ. They are now the rarest out of all Cortina models. According to some stats I came across on the net awhile ago, out of 1.2 million Mk4/TE's produced only around 6,000 remain . Poor rust protection when manufactured believed to be the culprit

[Studz xr8]

I own 2 ford falcon XR's, both running small block V8 Windsors.

One I believe is from the classic "Muscle Car"
period the other one is 32 years younger.

And I love driving them both.

Glad to see the 99 model is still alive and well out there too.

Got To Love It.........

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[Sprintey]

Do these stats include those registered on club plates?

It's tempting to let the rego lapse on the ED, keep up maintenance, then re-register for club plates. A second young one learning to drive manual might see me register it for another year.

I wonder how many EDs are out there in garages/sheds compared to the registered 10%?

[290v]

down to 117 Registered now

Originally Posted by 290v

only 137 FPV BA GT's
in SA MMMMM

[car10002]

hi everyone

noticed a few defected cars on the upullit stock list and wondered what would have likely got these defected when they didnt look like they had much wrong with them and what would likely reason be why people didnt fix them

https://www.upullit.com.au/stock/26741/01.jpg

https://www.upullit.com.au/stock/25983/01.jpg this one has 2 defect stickers and is parted out but it probably got parted out at upullit

https://www.upullit.com.au/stock/26384/01.jpg

https://www.upullit.com.au/stock/26479/01.jpg

https://www.upullit.com.au/stock/26236/01.jpg

faded or bubbling pant or different colour panels should be a problem if theyre all in good condition and no sharp bits

also would registered owners have been likely to have been known to police and they decided to find something or younger police taking over and want the latest and best

[car10002]

another reason is, would there have been a chance some were on lpg and the tank was out of date

[Paul Knowles]

Only an enthusiast will care about preserving the old E series or AU. Most end up owned by low income earners, living outside till the head gasket or auto dies and the repair bill means they sell it for scrap. If I had a big shed or property I would most probably be in a position where my wife is threatening divorce because of my habit. I’m already in the **** for too many cars.

[happy1]

I had another look at the website with the statistics, and found that numbers have changed over the last few months. The theft statistics may not have updated and still says 2018, but the number of registered vehicles have changed, so it appears that may be the actually registered right now.

https://carsafe.com.au/risk-rating#

According to these statistics: (sedan only)

Falcon EB: Jan.2019: 2318 vehicles licensed. Sept: 2043 vehicles.
Falcon ED: Jan.2019: 5279 vehicles licensed. Sept: 4766 vehicles
Falcon EL: Jan.2019: 21518 vehicles licensed. Sept: 19063 vehicles.
Falcon AU: Jan.2019: 82412 vehicles licensed. Sept: 74713 vehicles
Falcon BA: Jan.2019: 119102 vehicles licensed. Sept: 112832 vehicles
Falcon BF: Jan.2019: 71011 vehicles licensed. Sept: 68803 vehicles
Falcon FG: Jan.2019: 105190 vehicles licensed. Sept: 104013 vehicles
Falcon FGX: Jan.2019: 8449 vehicles licensed. Sept: 8340 vehicles.

(Sorry guys, I still didn't look up the utes)

[MrZ]

Interesting. However, I noticed that the Fairmonts are listed separately:

Fairmont ED: 1191
Fairmont EF: 4722
Fairmont EL: 4702
Fairmont AU: 15500
Fairmont BA: 14398
Fairmont BF: 6251

So you should add this to your totals. You're also missing the EF?

[xxx000]

I doubt the accuracy of the figures for specific models of still registered vehicles.

[happy1]

Originally Posted by xxx000

I doubt the accuracy of the figures for specific models of still registered vehicles.

You mean those driving with home made plates or cloned plates

Yes sorry MrZ, I only spent some minutes updating those I looked up in January. Feel free to make a more complete overview. Did the Fairmont numbers change much too?

I noticed Ranger PX has gone from 175000 to 195000 !
Mustang 15-18 has also added approx. 2000 units. (no listing after build year 2018)

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Paul Knowles

Only an enthusiast will care about preserving the old E series or AU. Most end up owned by low income earners, living outside till the head gasket or auto dies and the repair bill means they sell it for scrap. If I had a big shed or property I would most probably be in a position where my wife is threatening divorce because of my habit. I’m already in the **** for too many cars.

I am in the process of restoring my 1997 EL Fairmont Ghia, we bought it in 2000 had it about 10 years, sold it to my daughter, got it back for free late last year. Regency with cappuccino leather interior

[TwentySixHundred]

$1000 P plate specials definitely have an impact declining the future existence of a model. When i first got my license we were guilty of buying cheap Cortinas and X series Falcons out the paper and running them into the ground. I have watched it with every model since until id say the FG as it still holds some decent coin.


From my observations over the years when a model gets around the $1000 mark they are snapped up by that generation of P-Platers. Usually a 2.5in zorst gets thrown on and many burnouts follow, until it becomes a thrashed out ****box, then scrapped. Then the process is repeated until they become rare and the next $1000 special becomes the victim.



I go from seeing and hearing... them everywhere to once in a blue moon over a couple of years. Right now id say it's safe to say the AU-BF is the current p plate special. The secret is to snatch one up now and look after it because they will become rare and die out. Boxcars got flogged out in the mid 2000's the EL's copped the same fate a few years back and now the AU is getting a hiding.


Watch those numbers plummet over the years to come

[Sprintey]

There are some pretty sweet low km AU-BFs around at present for comparatively little coin. Save them from the P Platers!

AU XR6 is getting more rare as they are very desired for the early P's, hard to find good original one. The V8's and BA turbos are off limits in some states, so they survive in a greater %. (The turbos though, get heavily modded by many 20 something owners so finding original ones is difficult.)

Young one spent big (for his savings) on FG1 XR6 - completed 1 year now, off red P's, car still looks immaculate and the Limited Edition leather inside still in great condition, no accidents. 177,000km now. A lot of his mates are totalling cars or having major parts fails (like a Cruze transmission) and coming around and buying BF or FG.

[happy1]

Numbers are changing month by month:
According to these statistics: (sedan only)

Falcon EB: Jan.2019: 2318 vehicles licensed. Sept: 2043 vehicles. Oct: 1800.
Falcon ED: Jan.2019: 5279 vehicles licensed. Sept: 4766 vehicles. Oct: 4220.
Falcon EL: Jan.2019: 21518 vehicles licensed. Sept: 19063 vehicles. Oct: 16636.
Falcon EF: Oct. 2019: 12966 vehicles licensed.
Falcon AU: Jan.2019: 82412 vehicles licensed. Sept: 74713 vehicles. Oct: 66751.
Falcon BA: Jan.2019: 119102 vehicles licensed. Sept: 112832 vehicles. Oct: 105485.
Falcon BF: Jan.2019: 71011 vehicles licensed. Sept: 68803 vehicles. Oct: 66166.
Falcon FG: Jan.2019: 105190 vehicles licensed. Sept: 104013 vehicles. Oct: 102510.
Falcon FGX: Jan.2019: 8449 vehicles licensed. Sept: 8340 vehicles. Oct: 8260.
Fairmont ED: Sept.2019: 1191. Oct: 1040.
Fairmont EF: Sept.2019: 4722. Oct: 4108.
Fairmont EL: Sept.2019: 4702. Oct: 4112.
Fairmont AU: Sept.2019: 15500. Oct: 14100.
Fairmont BA: Sept.2019: 14398. Oct: 13587.
Fairmont BF: Sept.2019: 6251. Oct: 6068.

That means there are 9362 less of the ugly AU sedans to spot on the road this month!
And sadly in total another 17000 other Falcon sedans also gone from the roads during the last month alone, so the numbers are dropping rather steep.

Here are some more statistics:
Ranger PJ: Oct.2019: 23795.
Ranger PK: Oct.2019: 35094.
Ranger PX Jan 2019: 175000. Sept.2019: 195000, Oct: 214194.
Mustang 15-18: Oct.2019: 18471.
Mustang 2018+: Oct.2019: 3050.
Ford Everest 15+: Oct. 14899.
Territory SX: Oct. 28555.
Territory SY: Oct: 68293.
Territory SZ: Oct: 64595.

Cheers,

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by happy1

Numbers are changing month by month:
And sadly in total another 17000 other Falcon sedans also gone from the roads during the last month alone, so the numbers are dropping rather steep.

Cheers,

Probably more so in cities as everyone is outraged these days when they see an old car.

[jpd80]

There's now over 21,000 Gen 6 Mustangs on Aussie roads.
Not bad for a car that was always going to fail because it had only two doors..

[XR Martin]

PJ and PK rangers dropped pretty quick?

[78xcgxl]

Very Cool. Plenty of ELs still registered.

[happy1]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

PJ and PK rangers dropped pretty quick?

PJ: Jan 2019: 28137. Oct: 23795.
PK: Jan 2019: 35845. Oct: 35094.

That looks a bit incorrect that so few PK models are gone. (Maybe I've got it wrong).

[XR Martin]

I'm just talking in general. About as many PJs getting around as ELs.
There's 10 years between them.

[Studz xr8]

Originally Posted by happy1

Numbers are changing month by month:
According to these statistics: (sedan only)

Falcon EB: Jan.2019: 2318 vehicles licensed. Sept: 2043 vehicles. Oct: 1800.
Falcon ED: Jan.2019: 5279 vehicles licensed. Sept: 4766 vehicles. Oct: 4220.
Falcon EL: Jan.2019: 21518 vehicles licensed. Sept: 19063 vehicles. Oct: 16636.
Falcon EF: Oct. 2019: 12966 vehicles licensed.
Falcon AU: Jan.2019: 82412 vehicles licensed. Sept: 74713 vehicles. Oct: 66751.
Falcon BA: Jan.2019: 119102 vehicles licensed. Sept: 112832 vehicles. Oct: 105485.
Falcon BF: Jan.2019: 71011 vehicles licensed. Sept: 68803 vehicles. Oct: 66166.
Falcon FG: Jan.2019: 105190 vehicles licensed. Sept: 104013 vehicles. Oct: 102510.
Falcon FGX: Jan.2019: 8449 vehicles licensed. Sept: 8340 vehicles. Oct: 8260.
Fairmont ED: Sept.2019: 1191. Oct: 1040.
Fairmont EF: Sept.2019: 4722. Oct: 4108.
Fairmont EL: Sept.2019: 4702. Oct: 4112.
Fairmont AU: Sept.2019: 15500. Oct: 14100.
Fairmont BA: Sept.2019: 14398. Oct: 13587.
Fairmont BF: Sept.2019: 6251. Oct: 6068.

That means there are 9362 less of the ugly AU sedans to spot on the road this month!
And sadly in total another 17000 other Falcon sedans also gone from the roads during the last month alone, so the numbers are dropping rather steep.

Here are some more statistics:
Ranger PJ: Oct.2019: 23795.
Ranger PK: Oct.2019: 35094.
Ranger PX Jan 2019: 175000. Sept.2019: 195000, Oct: 214194.
Mustang 15-18: Oct.2019: 18471.
Mustang 2018+: Oct.2019: 3050.
Ford Everest 15+: Oct. 14899.
Territory SX: Oct. 28555.
Territory SY: Oct: 68293.
Territory SZ: Oct: 64595.

Cheers,

In regards to your comment about the decline in number of AU's now on the road.............
Beauty is in the Eye of the beholder.

[happy1]

This is what Wikipedia has to say about AU:
Developed under the code name "EA169", the AU series adopted Ford's New Edge worldwide styling, which was meant to differentiate it from the "conformist" styling prevalent in the 1990s.[33] The gamble, which had worked with the Ford Focus, did not particularly endear the AU Falcon to its buyers.

AU still isn't endeared by me either, and probably never will be, but on the other hand I also much dislike the looks of US Taurus from the same years

The only thing AU has going for it in my view is the reliable and simple mechanics. Same class as Volvo's 240 series probably. Could last over a million km with some basic fixes. Despite that approx. 16000 of them have disappeared from Australian roads over a few months from January to October.

Anyway, let's not start another AU discussion in this thread. Apology if my comment upset someone.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Studz xr8

In regards to your comment about the decline in number of AU's now on the road.............
Beauty is in the Eye of the beholder.

De-registering them to mount them up as art installations.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

De-registering them to mount them up as art installations.

Or not what to do ever again

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by happy1

That means there are 9362 less of the ugly AU sedans to spot on the road this month!
And sadly in total another 17000 other Falcon sedans also gone from the roads during the last month alone, so the numbers are dropping rather steep.

I get calls every day for particular parts on AU Falcons that we don't have as regular production items, its usually inquiries from Burson and Repco branches chasing up for the customer in front of them at the counter, so usually said components may cost a customer through a Burson branch $150 or so if its a regular production item.

Except with these particular parts for the AU, they all have to be one off custom manufacture jobs - we need a sample from the car, we'll make it up, but it'll cost the Burson branch 500% more than a regular production item so the end user ends up paying $500+ for it by the time Burson makes their margin on it and naturally their customer is not overly keen on spending $500 per component when they may need 3x of them to keep their car roadworthy so the car just goes to the wreckers.

Older cars just generally aren't worth fixing unless you're an enthusiast and the car has value outside of monetary reasons, especially when its in that transition period between being too new for places like Rare Spares to start manufacturing replacement parts and too old for genuine spares, EF/EL/AU/BA/BF are in this transition period where parts availability is becoming a drama.

BA/BF are starting to get to this point right now that they're hitting wreckers in huge quantities, I'm still waiting on Jefferson Ford to supply a driver side front seatbelt assembly for a BF Falcon that I've been on their books for since 2015

Or shifter cables for BA/BF with BTR:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GENUINE-...EAAOSw1ExcGCm-

Not many left in circulation and its a common problem, sometimes you can just get away with a bush kit thats available aftermarket, but if the cable snaps then you need the full assembly, there are a few different variations of this particular cable to suit different engine combinations but the shortages are starting to occur on the regular 4sp/4L that's the more common car.

[Trevor 57]

speaking of 'old' Falcons, I went to the Early Falcon Nationals today, over 220 XK to XP's there

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by happy1

PJ: Jan 2019: 28137. Oct: 23795.27,395
PK: Jan 2019: 35845. Oct: 35094.

That looks a bit incorrect that so few PK models are gone. (Maybe I've got it wrong).

PJ = 27,395, not 23,795

[happy1]

Since it's been a year since the first statistics was logged, I was having another look:

Falcon EB: Jan.2019: 2318 vehicles licensed. / Jan.2020: 1800.
Falcon ED: Jan.2019: 5279 vehicles licensed. / Jan.2020: 4220.
Falcon EL: Jan.2019: 21518 vehicles licensed. / Jan. 2020: 16636.
Falcon EF: Oct. 2019: 12966 vehicles licensed. / Jan. 2020: 12966.
Falcon AU: Jan.2019: 82412 vehicles licensed. / Jan. 2020: 66751.
Falcon BA: Jan.2019: 119102 vehicles licensed. / Jan. 2020: 105485.
Falcon BF: Jan.2019: 71011 vehicles licensed. / Jan. 2020: 66166.
Falcon FG: Jan.2019: 105190 vehicles licensed. / Jan. 2020: 102510.
Falcon FGX: Jan.2019: 8449 vehicles licensed. / Jan. 2020: 8260.
Fairmont ED: Sept.2019: 1191. / Jan. 2020: 1040.
Fairmont EF: Sept.2019: 4722. / Jan. 2020: 4108 .
Fairmont EL: Sept.2019: 4702. / Jan. 2020: 4112.
Fairmont AU: Sept.2019: 15500. / Jan.2020: 14100.
Fairmont BA: Sept.2019: 14398. / Jan.2020: 13587.
Fairmont BF: Sept.2019: 6251. / Jan.2020: 6068.

Here are some more statistics:
Ranger PX Jan 2019: 175000. / Jan.2020: 214194.
F250, 97-03: Jan.2020: 4501.
F250, 04-08: Jan.2020: 4055.
Fiesta WZ 13+ Jan.2020: 16503.

And to feed some trolls:
Tesla 'S': Jan.2020: 1326 vehicles.

Cheers,

[Franco Cozzo]

Interesting the amount of cars per year that are dropping - 20,000 loss on registered BA Falcons or there abouts.

We're midst of releasing a new product for BA/BF, its taken us 18 months, opportunity cost of a few hundred thousand bucks easily in missed sales due to inaction and it gets worse every month its not on the market because the amount of registered cars is dropping.

Really it should have been on the market 15 years ago