P Plater busted near 200km/h

[AC]

Originally Posted by flappist

(and if say you have NEVER commited a traffic offence then you probably should not be on this forum because you are either a liar or have never driven a car)

*Looks for the "werd" smilie* :

[Dazza XLT]

Originally Posted by flappist

No not missed at all Darran, I said in places where is it legal, e.g. NT.

You're right mate, was pointing it out to Miss XR.

[red_hotxr6]

Originally Posted by Miss_XR6

you are all liars u cant say none of u have ever gone speeding even if its only 5km's over the speed limit its still speeding

Please, unless you were in the car with me, do not call me a liar, i do not speed full stop. I have no reason to do so.Maybe you do, and so you presume that we do too.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Ryan

When you put it that way, yes I have done it a few times.

Alot of it's "Accidental speeding" (If there's such a thing).

By all means, I will not make up excuses, because it's still breaking the law.

There is such a thing. Back when I was in college I got caught doing 55 in a 40. I forgot it was a 40 zone not a 60. The officer believed that I made a genuine mistake and I was only given caution notice, but had I've been given a fine I would of copped it on the chin. Irrespective of a mistake, it was still breaking the law

Jeez my mum is what I would consider a goodie-goodie and I've notice even her creep over the limit before. No one is perfect. People who think that they have never done so are kidding themselves.

Back on topic. Maybe it's just me, but is type of vehicle used to commit the offence really important? It just seems that it is a useless piece of information added in by the media.

[AC]

Haha, you guys who say "I dont speed" make me laugh.
Although i can understand your line of thinking, its like talking about ****ing.

You look like an idiot if you admit it and your a liar if you say you dont or never have :P

[Bucknaked]

When I was 18 I got my first V8. I thought 200 was ok as long as you didn't get caught. Now days I much prefer limit closer to the sign posted speed limit. As its been said, when your 18, you feel pretty much bulletproof.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by 2ndOwner

You look like an idiot if you admit it and your a liar if you say you dont or never have :P

Thats pretty much the sum of it all.

[TURBOTAXI]

I am willing to tell you all the shocking truth, I liked speed.

Since I have reached the late age of parenthood I have settled down, but I remeber being 19 and driving down the Hume Highway in excess of 120 Miles per hour in my XT falcon the 351 screaming its head off, the traffic, for their own safety moving to the left lane without being asked to do so. The cracked disc on the front brakes looking for an excuse to turn into a disc disintegration.
I have lost my licence a few times when I was younger, once on a bike I was travelling at 74k's over the limit on my good old VF1000. That thing used to hit 260k - obviously didnt get caught that time.

I look back at this and think about how stupid it was, how lucky I am to be alive, how luck I am to never have hurt any one. I dont do this sort of extreme speeding anymore. I belive that history repeats itself, and that young drivers are going to speed I think the challenge to us as contemporary adults is to provide them (young drivers) with a low risk way to do this. I dont think anything I have done in the past is smart, but I think I am luck that the only thing that got hurt was my driving record and my wallet. I guess the scariest thingis that when my kids learn to drive, there will be idiots behaving like I did on our roads.

[MO]

Originally Posted by kyro_02

apparently they can still pull you over if you're driving a bit fast in the NT.. like 150km/h... is ok but anything beyond that and they would pull you up, or if cars ahead are doing 130 and you're doing 150 etc.. i don't think they like that :P

but hey, i could be wrong , tis heresay

Sorry sport you are wrong...yes they can pull you ...but its for driving in a manner dangerous..i.e weaving...overtaking without due care..etc.

The actual speed does not matter its how your driving.

I have overtaken coppers in the N.T. at 160-180 and we've waved to each other.

[FordFan86]

This is why I like having an HO motor, the thing just runs out of puff lol

[Bobman]

Hmm, 197km is insane especially in an old Commy wagon.

Speeding to me is exceeding the safety of travel within the conditions.

5km makes a difference? That's like saying Red is faster then Black, you can never compare an old car with drum brakes to a new car with ABS etc in stopping power.

I keep to the limits these days, but will flow with the traffic, your hard pressed finding a police car sticking dead on 60, 70 or 80 because some of the limits on some roads are wrong. Glad to see they lowered the limit on parts of the Great Ocean Road though.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by ClevlndStemer

and guess what, he'll get off with a smack on the wrist...
what would have happened if a tyre burst or hit another car? what a smacktard. He won't learn either.

What if what if????

The M4 is a motorway, 'a road designed for high speed travel' - it's not a residential or business area.

What matters to me (most) is the 'manner' of his driving.

How the hell do you think those 'dumb' Europeeeaaans manage to drive at much faster speeds daily without their tyres exploding or cars bursting into flames??

Back to the dark ages with you.

Go Ghia wrote:
Thinking i was invincible, i kept driving. Sure enough, i got caught drag racing doing 177km/h in a 70 zone. Yeah, STUPID!!!!!

THAT is more stupid than someone "driving at speed" on a road designed for speed. One of the road categories has much greater potential for disaster.

John McMaster wrote:
I have overtaken coppers in the N.T. at 160-180 and we've waved to each other.

It is in the 'manner' that matters - drive like a careless untidy ******** and you be so treated in NT.

Kyro 2 wrote:
apparently they can still pull you over if you're driving a bit fast in the NT.. like 150km/h... is ok but anything beyond that and they would pull you up, or if cars ahead are doing 130 and you're doing 150 etc.. i don't think they like that.

150km/h?? IF ANY Australian state police tell me the (//) sign means 150km/h maximum I'll show you a high court case to say it does not. That said, speed derestriction does NOT allow idiot speeds, but is meant to allow a safe speed for the prevailing conditions. It is NOT a speed limit sign.


Darren - where was the particular photo taken?

[Dazza XLT]

From the NT I think. One of the XR Club members took it while on their cruise up that way to hidden valley in 2005.

[merlin]

I can believe people when they say they don't speed, but guess what I "speed", its not such a dirty word, I can admit to it. The pilfering speed camera operators have brainwashed a large majority into thinking you are going to spontaneously combust if you venture 5km/h over (and then there are those who just dont want to get booked - fair enough).

Safe driving is about appropriate speed for the conditions. I find I am usually sitting about 15 over the too low limits unless road, traffic or weather conditions dictate otherwise. I have never recieved a fine and never had an accident over many hundreds of thousands of kilometres of driving - paying attention and driver training does that. I don't "speed" because I think its cool, or because I think it is fun, I "speed" because I want to get where I am going in the shortest possible time - this may mean I go slower than the limit when it is raining (as I don't want to have an accident which would slow me down).

Obviously 200km/h on the M4 is not appropriate because you are sharing the road with other cars doing half that speed and objects travelling at 110 and 200 don't mix real well. I.e. It's not the road itself (the M4 is a smooth 3 lane freeway that 300 could be done on), its everyone having to share the same piece of road. Try going down the M4 one day (I used to drive it everday), and you will find that a lot (maybe 50%) of cars convoy in the right lane doing about 140km/h, safely everday - the accos normally happen because some twit doing 10 kay under talking on the phone runs up someones rear.

What I don't get is this - I knew the "common people" had been progressivley brainwashed into speeding is bad full stop in this country over the last 5 years. What I didn't realise is that intelligent enthusiasts have also swallowed the RTA's crap hook line and sinker as well. Open your eyes stop believing the RTA crap on T.V., take a look at some other countries, take a look at our figures on accident statistics and then come back and tell me that it is not safe to do 15-20km/h over an arbitrary limit when conditions dictate it.

[Miss_XR6]

speeding on the road and speeding on the track there is no difference except everyone thinks it's safer in one way yes it is cause there is no one else around but in another u can still kill yourself and yes ive seen it happened many times on the race tracks people dying but on the bright side this kid didnt hurt anyone

[ClevlndStemer]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

What if what if????

The M4 is a motorway, 'a road designed for high speed travel' - it's not a residential or business area.

What matters to me (most) is the 'manner' of his driving.

How the hell do you think those 'dumb' Europeeeaaans manage to drive at much faster speeds daily without their tyres exploding or cars bursting into flames??

Back to the dark ages with you.

The road may be designed for high speed travel but there are way too many other variables for high speed travel. At 200km/h on a road with a posted speed limit of 110, and others travelling at the 110, high speed is probably not the smartest thing to do. Constant lane changing by other motorists (not always looking) can cause a big problem to the person who is travelling at the high speed. I am not saying it will happen but it can.

As for the tyre bursting just another variable. The Monash FWY in Melb is apparently also designed for high speed as well. However many drivers are not. One eventful afternoon travelling home from work on the "highspeed" road we encountered the aftermath of a tyre bursting on a car travelling at 100. The car flipped, rolled and the air ambulance was called to transport the driver and the infant passenger to hospital. The Euro drivers may be able to drive at high speed (when it isn't peak hour traffic, see Fifth gear if you don't know what I mean), but the accidents happen not many survive.

Don't say it won't happen cause on the road anything can happen and most likely will happen.

As for the dark ages comment, why not crawl back into that hole you came from, be a better for all of us if you did!! :thebirds:

[Keepleft]

ClevlndStemer wrote: The road may be designed for high speed travel but there are way too many other variables for high speed travel.

Whist there are variables that can impede or otherwise restrict 'high-speeds', often there are not, since variables are just that - variable.

At 200km/h on a road with a posted speed limit of 110, and others travelling at the 110, high speed is probably not the smartest thing to do.

Certainly not the legal thing to do.

Constant lane changing by other motorists (not always looking) can cause a big problem to the person who is travelling at the high speed. I am not saying it will happen but it can.

Unneccessary or inappropriate lane changes are an issue with the Australian freeway experience. That said, in Europe the refined autobahn driver simply does not 'floor it' and keep it floored at top speed, OR near top speed past slower traffic, rather 'speed' is used between lengths of vehicles, and that is the trick. "Smooth and tidy' is the goal.

As for the tyre bursting just - another variable.

Most crashes are multifactorial in nature.

The Monash FWY in Melb is apparently also designed for high speed as well. However many drivers are not.

I agree, I've never seen a driver capable of exceeding 100km/h or anywhere near it, I can't even run faster than I guess 18km/h??

One eventful afternoon travelling home from work on the "high speed" road we encountered the aftermath of a tyre bursting on a car travelling at 100. The car flipped, rolled and the air ambulance was called to transport the driver and the infant passenger to hospital.

Once upon a time (amongst very many actually) I happened on another crash on a different high-speed road, this one involved a myriad of factors, ranging from low tyre pressures to bald tread, from driver inattention to outright driver negligence, including momentary distraction, excessive speed, heavy fog and slippery conditions.

The result was an 83 car pile-up on the F6 back in 1987. Those damned variables again. . . better not go faster than 20km/h, but wait - that meteor!!

The Euro drivers may be able to drive at high speed (when it isn't peak hour traffic, see Fifth gear if you don't know what I mean),

Yes, Iv'e yet to see ANY 'Euro' or German driver drive at what we'ddescribe as high-speed in peak hour traffic.

but the accidents happen not many survive.

Actually, the majority of road crashed work out okay, thankfully.

Don't say it won't happen cause on the road anything can happen and most likely will happen.

I did not say it won't happen. "It" can and does, I attend them sometimes. Hell, my oldest brother is a paramedic - today he lectures at the Goulburn NSW Police Academy on such related matter.

As for the dark ages comment, why not crawl back into that hole you came from, be a better for all of us if you did!!

Better for *you* at most, you'd then be free to broadcast more hysteria and fear:-)

A link for you: Monash freeway, I see several issues with this scene which is partly owing a too low a speed allowance.

http://mrv.ozroads.com.au/highway1/monash.htm

[kyro_02]

150km/h?? IF ANY Australian state police tell me the (//) sign means 150km/h maximum I'll show you a high court case to say it does not. That said, speed derestriction does NOT allow idiot speeds, but is meant to allow a safe speed for the prevailing conditions. It is NOT a speed limit sign.

take a chill this isn't a conspiracy thread! lol

i did say it was hearsay, so no need to cut sick

for the hell of it, what if a race driver doing 400km/h in some 1+million dollar car in the NT he thought it was safe, but it might not of been !

anyway i don't care that people speed for the fact one day they will pay the price, sometimes they get away with it and learn before they do anything stupid, i did stupid things but learn't before i got caught

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

A link for you: Monash freeway, I see several issues with this scene which is partly owing a too low a speed allowance.

http://mrv.ozroads.com.au/highway1/monash.htm

My concept of an efficient "Freeway" would mean 4 lanes minimum, 2 left lanes for slow or exit/enter merging traffic, centre for "speed limit" traffic and right lane for over taking etc.
A perfect example of a 100kph road that's "dangerous" imo most of the time is the western ring road in vic, its 3 lane in places but mostly 2 lane, is usually heavily congested with allot of trucks that are constantly exiting and entering from the myriad of off/on ramps, and speeds that vary by upto 30kph with very little means too maintain 100kph safely due to constant lane changes caused but significantly slower traffic or a wide "speed differential". It isnt any wonder there are so many accidents on that road.

[Laminge]

"Cut Sick"

I though "sick" was a good thing, you are telling me it is not now?

[merlin]

Maybe "sik" is a good thing and sick is a bad thing? The prefix - "fully" means it may be awesome...

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

A link for you: Monash freeway, I see several issues with this scene which is partly owing a too low a speed allowance.

http://mrv.ozroads.com.au/highway1/monash.htm

I travel this road often, the main problems with it's users are :

1. They do NOT keep left !

2. Many drivers think it's ok to go down the on ramp and merge at 10 to 20 klm below the speed limit, this causes another 10 or so cars behind them to bank up which ends in a very slow and dangerous freight train pulling into high speed traffic, when will they learn to match speed with the oncoming traffic to merge safely.
If i can do it in a 4 cylinder diesel with a heavy trailer a single car has no excuse.
:

[AC]

Didnt take Keepleft long to find this thread

[all4ford]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

I travel this road often, the main problems with it's users are :

1. They do NOT keep left !

2. Many drivers think it's ok to go down the on ramp and merge at 10 to 20 klm below the speed limit, this causes another 10 or so cars behind them to bank up which ends in a very slow and dangerous freight train pulling into high speed traffic, when will they learn to match speed with the oncoming traffic to merge safely.
If i can do it in a 4 cylinder diesel with a heavy trailer a single car has no excuse.
:

100% agree, I cant tell you how frustrated I get when I'm driving down the M5 in non peak hour traffic and there is someone in the right lane doing 90-100km/h. That is far more dangerous then someone in the right lane doing 20-30km/h above the speed limit.

Its amazing how many people don't know how to merge, not only onto the free way but coming off as well. I couldn't count how many times I have come up the off ramp and nearly run up someone's *** because they are parked with their right blinker on waiting for the traffic to clear.

[Ultimate]

Yes if its 87km over that might mean jail time.

[max]

If this boy was doing 197 he's a foikin' rabbit. I don't care what I did when I was 17! Just because I was a also a foikin' rabbit then, doesn't mean it's OK to be a foikin rabbit now. I cringe now when I think of the dumb-*** things I did at that age. Lot's of education and messages around now too about driving like a silly count. My concern is always for the other road users/public who may suffer for this little jerk's actions.

[mUTHA]

ok im a 17 yr old p plater from the country and i tend to have a led foot
i have had 1 crash and been over 200kph more than once
its just the rush and i believe in the old saying ya only live once along with
live fast, die young, leave a nice corpse

[Dazza XLT]

Originally Posted by mUTHA

ok im a 17 yr old p plater from the country and i tend to have a led foot
i have had 1 crash and been over 200kph more than once
its just the rush and i believe in the old saying ya only live once along with
live fast, die young, leave a nice corpse

And what if you, while "Living Fast and Enjoying the Rush" happen to take out a family wagon??? :
Don't just think of yourself you clown, how about other road users...

[mUTHA]

family wagon??
hmm ok

thats y i dont do it remotly anywhere near other road users
and before you sday you never no well ya can never be 100%sure
but i no of a few roads around my area where the straights are around 10-15kms long

if i new of a closed circuit i can use for free let me know and il use it
i also believe that you should no your car and its capabilities so this is the
other Reason behind this
i take full responsability for my actions while behind the wheel

and 1 thing i think is worse than speeding is old bloke driving home drunk
cos that is 1 thing i have never done and never will do

and ahh are all u guy old and angry at young blokes?
cos im betting theres not 1 person here who has never speeded
or done burnouts or any other illegal activitity in a car

[Dazza XLT]

Originally Posted by mUTHA

family wagon??
hmm ok

thats y i dont do it remotly anywhere near other road users
and before you sday you never no well ya can never be 100%sure
but i no of a few roads around my area where the straights are around 10-15kms long

Yeah I am really old... 21. :the_finge
How do you know that there are no road users around the next bend?
Can you read freaking minds too? _
The Barkly Highway... Is about 440klm long, of which is made up of mostly straight sections.
This does not automatically mean that there is no traffic on it... :
All straight roads that are over 10-15klm must be traffic free then, if what you say is true, therefore we can drive as fast as we want. You beauty!
Oh and by the way...