2018 Ranger Raptor - Page 36

articulatedsphinx · 31-07-2018, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

Could have, would have, should have......

Given there is a F150 Raptor Ecoboost available in Ford’s product line up, Ford Oz is treating its customers with contempt with the Ranger Raptor offering.

You guys always get the short end of the stick here. But on another note, is anything else new?

It does suck. Maybe they are pulling an Apple and will release the better version a year later.

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Dr Smith · 31-07-2018, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

Could have, would have, should have......

Given there is a F150 Raptor Ecoboost available in Ford’s product line up, Ford Oz is treating its customers with contempt with the Ranger Raptor offering.

Do you honestly believe a platform nearing the end of it's life was going to have the cost of R&D spent on it to put a 300+kW V6 petrol engine in it and then sell enough before the next new platform comes out and be priced at under $80K+

simon varley · 31-07-2018, 04:35 PM

buy one, or don't buy one, but please shut up with the moaning.

**GasoLane** · 31-07-2018, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

Could have, would have, should have......

Given there is a F150 Raptor Ecoboost available in Ford’s product line up, Ford Oz is treating its customers with contempt with the Ranger Raptor offering.

Perhaps a race between the Ranger Raptor and a regular Ranger along the Strzelecki track from Lyndhurst to Innaminka to see which one breaks down first.

prydey · 31-07-2018, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

Perhaps a race between the Ranger Raptor and a regular Ranger along the Strzelecki track from Lyndhurst to Innaminka to see which one breaks down first.

or the newell...

chrisandsharon · 31-07-2018, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

Wrong, you’re attempting to control the narrative like Ford but it’s not going down the path you/they expect.....

The Raptor represents performance therefore it should live up to it’s name. Otherwise the Raptor is no different to a Hilux TRD.....a sticker pack.

Should have brought in the Ecoboost in the Raptor.........

......what came to mind when I read your post

jpd80 · 31-07-2018, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

The Raptor represents performance therefore it should live up to it’s name. Otherwise the Raptor is no different to a Hilux TRD.....a sticker pack.

TRD does not have the comprehensive off road suspension of Raptor (Watts link and Fox suspension)

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Should have brought in the Ecoboost in the Raptor.........

This time around, Ecoboost was not an option considering 99% of RR's markets are diesel oriented.
The US 2.3 EB was a late inclusion after RR was completed but you'll most likely get your wish in 2021.;)

**PepeLePew** · 31-07-2018, 05:51 PM

RR is a niche vehicle....the desires we are applying are differences in relation to what we already have and there is nothing like it here. But i don't think Ford had you guys in mind when it was created and likely gave us a variation they can move sufficient numbers with to justify it's sale here. Ok the engine is a bit of a letdown under SOME conditions. But i don't recall driving my 3.2 PX and caring that it wasn't lighting them up at the traffic lights, my expectations weren't high and it was good for what it was. Comment with your money and spend elsewhere if its not for you. Or...who is to say an alternate engine is not already in the pipeline? How fast is even a 2.3 EB going to move over 2000kg? 3.5EB err i'd have one, but only with my Fleetcard firmly in my pocket. Can't say i don't feel some disappointment, but i'd hope there is a next installment out there....

simon varley · 31-07-2018, 07:02 PM

the proof will be if they are left sitting in dealer lots... given the 1000+ presales somehow I don't think that will happen.

Chopped · 31-07-2018, 07:27 PM

Almost as cringey as the GC Commonwealth Games opening ceremony...

csv8 · 31-07-2018, 07:34 PM

Ford has added a new range-topping variant of its Ford F-150 pick-up line-up that packs not only all the bells and whistles, but more importantly the 335kW/691Nm 3.5-litre EcoBoost V6 from the F-150 Raptor.

Called the F-150 Limited, Ford says the new variant is aimed at “fans who love Raptor power but want a more upscale package”. https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/for...wer-with-class

cheap · 31-07-2018, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

Perhaps a race between the Ranger Raptor and a regular Ranger along the Strzelecki track from Lyndhurst to Innaminka to see which one breaks down first.

2 years ago when I drove the Strezlecki Track most of it was a good piece of road, 6 lanes of smooth compressed dirt/clay, travelling at +100km/hr was a non-issue. Just saying

jpd80 · 31-07-2018, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Ford has added a new range-topping variant of its Ford F-150 pick-up line-up that packs not only all the bells and whistles, but more importantly the 335kW/691Nm 3.5-litre EcoBoost V6 from the F-150 Raptor.

Called the F-150 Limited, Ford says the new variant is aimed at “fans who love Raptor power but want a more upscale package”. https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/for...wer-with-class

Next year, Ford will be releasing the 3.0 V6 Ecoboost engine in RWD US Explorer and hopefully T6 Bronco after that.
It is expected to have similar power and torque as the "regular 3.5 V6 Ecoboost" but with superior fuel economy

Dr Smith · 31-07-2018, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Next year, Ford will be releasing the 3.0 V6 Ecoboost engine in RWD US Explorer and hopefully T6 Bronco after that.
It is expected to have similar power and torque as the "regular 3.5 V6 Ecoboost" but with superior fuel economy

A pity we couldn't add 3 more letters in there: " RWD US Explorer RHD"

Romulus · 31-07-2018, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

buy one, or don't buy one, but please shut up with the moaning.

I didn't buy one, I signed up for a PXII XLS 3.2 A6 for work duties today. This is my 4th PX/PXII Ranger purchase, how's your tally?

I mentioned this topic to the salesman today, there's common sentiment of the lack of performance offered from the RR. The dealer has no doubt they'd be able to sell the F series Trucks (to order) if Ford Oz would import them. Farmers have expressed interest in the F series truck and don't know why it's not available here.

The only reason the Ranger Raptor sells is due to it's mediocre competition. Put a F150 against a RR and see how the two compare.

Romulus · 31-07-2018, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Ford has added a new range-topping variant of its Ford F-150 pick-up line-up that packs not only all the bells and whistles, but more importantly the 335kW/691Nm 3.5-litre EcoBoost V6 from the F-150 Raptor.

Called the F-150 Limited, Ford says the new variant is aimed at “fans who love Raptor power but want a more upscale package”. https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/for...wer-with-class

Nice. I'd have one, would be a good work vehicle.

Romulus · 31-07-2018, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

TRD does not have the comprehensive off road suspension of Raptor (Watts link and Fox suspension)

This time around, Ecoboost was not an option considering 99% of RR's markets are diesel oriented.
The US 2.3 EB was a late inclusion after RR was completed but you'll most likely get your wish in 2021.;)

We're a bit slow on the uptake, diesel is on it's way out in Europe. It's not the clean burning engine it was once touted to be, there's a move back to petrol engines. Ford Europe's Ecoboost development is proof positive.

articulatedsphinx · 31-07-2018, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

I didn't buy one, I signed up for a PXII XLS 3.2 A6 for work duties today. This is my 4th PX/PXII Ranger purchase, how's your tally?

I mentioned this topic to the salesman today, there's common sentiment of the lack of performance offered from the RR. The dealer has no doubt they'd be able to sell the F series Trucks (to order) if Ford Oz would import them. Farmers have expressed interest in the F series truck and don't know why it's not available here.

The only reason the Ranger Raptor sells is due to it's mediocre competition. Put a F150 against a RR and see how the two compare.

The volume is not there. Why bother esp. with the small population of Australia.

Ford sold nearly 900k F trucks last year in the US. It’s just not worth it to sell to Oz.

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Romulus · 31-07-2018, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

The volume is not there. Why bother esp. with the small population of Australia.

Ford sold nearly 900k F trucks last year in the US. It’s just not worth it to sell to Oz.

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What's it cost to develop a new platform versus converting F Series to RHD?

articulatedsphinx · 31-07-2018, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

What's it cost to develop a new platform versus converting F Series to RHD?

There’s a really good article about this. I’ll see if I can’t find it for you.

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articulatedsphinx · 31-07-2018, 10:25 PM

https://www.caradvice.com.au/614740/...xt-generation/

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Romulus · 31-07-2018, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

https://www.caradvice.com.au/614740/...xt-generation/

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So Ford NA are in a catch 22...how do you gauge the level of demand for a RHD F150 without building them and getting them out to potential markets? Would the F series cannibalise Ranger sales? Maybe, maybe not. Both appeal to different buyers.

chrisandsharon · 01-08-2018, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

So Ford NA are in a catch 22...how do you gauge the level of demand for a RHD F150 without building them and getting them out to potential markets? Would the F series cannibalise Ranger sales? Maybe, maybe not. Both appeal to different buyers.

Geezuz we’re now on the F150 again in the Ranger Raptor thread. Here’s a thought - start ya own thread and whinge/whine/criticise/debate all ya want elsewhere.

RANGEREST · 01-08-2018, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

Geezuz we’re now on the F150 again in the Ranger Raptor thread. Here’s a thought - start ya own thread and whinge/whine/criticise/debate all ya want elsewhere.

Nah, anyone that might be keen on the RR is clearly deranged !

We all NEED 300kw and a huge vehicle to go with it.
Look at the top 20 selling cars in OZ they're all huge with 300 plus KW. aren't they?

jpd80 · 01-08-2018, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

A pity we couldn't add 3 more letters in there: " RWD US Explorer RHD"

You can, the 2020 Explorer is RWD and on CD6.

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Originally Posted by Romulus
What's it cost to develop a new platform versus converting F Series to RHD?

Earlier this year, Peter Fleet head of Ford Asia Pacific was in Detroit
sounding out a diesel F150 for our region (RHD)

Romulus · 01-08-2018, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RANGEREST

Nah, anyone that might be keen on the RR is clearly deranged !

We all NEED 300kw and a huge vehicle to go with it.
Look at the top 20 selling cars in OZ they're all huge with 300 plus KW. aren't they?

When vehicle manufacturers have a 'let them eat cake mentality', and the sheeple accept it, most settle for the mediocre rubbish sold here.

I'll take a 335kw TT V6 over the current vehicle I've just purchased given a chance.

**Fordman1** · 01-08-2018, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

When vehicle manufacturers have a 'let them eat cake mentality', and the sheeple accept it, most settle for the mediocre rubbish sold here.

I'll take a 335kw TT V6 over the current vehicle I've just purchased given a chance.

Who knows, they’ll probably release the next all new Ranger with something like a V6 Ecoboost.

One thing for sure, you’ll probably be back to whinge about that powertrain too.

Romulus · 01-08-2018, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

Who knows, they’ll probably release the next all new Ranger with something like a V6 Ecoboost.

One thing for sure, you’ll probably be back to whinge about that powertrain too.

How many Rangers have you bought?

Sprintey · 01-08-2018, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

One thing for sure, you’ll probably be back to whinge about that powertrain too.

0-100km/h 10.4s - better hold on to your hat!

Thought I'd have a go.

For the love of Ford, get that RHD Explorer/Bronco and PETROL Ecoboost drivetrain here asap. And Lincoln Aviator. And F-Series. Make Australia Ford's Again!

Sprintey · 01-08-2018, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

We're a bit slow on the uptake, diesel is on it's way out in Europe. It's not the clean burning engine it was once touted to be, there's a move back to petrol engines. Ford Europe's Ecoboost development is proof positive.

This, this, so much this. The shift is away from diesel and if it isn't burned customers with DPF nightmares or AdBlue, it's going to be worldwide regulation that does it.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/671488/...ration-switch/

Some tales of woe in the comments section regarding the DPFs as an example. Stopping every 300km and letting it do its thing for 1/2 hour sounds like electric car convenience, not endless reliable running hours.