Ford Announces $103 Million Investment in Local Vehicle Upgrade

[Joe5619]

Good to see Ford blowing their own trumpet for a change..

Link on the front page of ford.com.au to press release from Ford about the 103M investment.

http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Satel...roduction_Home

[robbo/region15]

There will be people, employed by either Ford ,Holden ,Tiers 1,2,3 supply who will be totaly gutted these Lifelines from Detroit have happened.......

Maybe they had already calculated their approximate $ for being retrenched......[Yes i know of quite a few of them/no im not one either]

[stang65]

Wouldn`t they rather be in a job? or is the easy way to hope for a company to close so you can get a payout? and then what happens when that money runs out?

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by robbo/region15

There will be people, employed by either Ford ,Holden ,Tiers 1,2,3 supply who will be totaly gutted these Lifelines from Detroit have happened.......

Maybe they had already calculated their approximate $ for being retrenched......[Yes i know of quite a few of them/no im not one either]

They should quit tomorrow if I am reading that right.

[robbo/region15]

Originally Posted by Polyal

They should quit tomorrow if I am reading that right.

Regardless,who quits today tomoz,next year,the uncertainty is the biggest killer,it is the Ultimate water torture ,drip drip drip................Today or tomorow ,the last day?? drip drip.........

* So the Imports that are selling so well,in 2011,will do just as well in 2012,as there is a "Dads Army" protecting Aussie interests,what will happen with a change of Government??

[Polyal]

No job these days is certain so you can say it for any industry.

Heaps of jobs up north or west if people want security over the next 10 years. Like I said, if there is no passion for the brand then they are better to move on.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by robbo/region15

Regardless,who quits today tomoz,next year,the uncertainty is the biggest killer,it is the Ultimate water torture ,drip drip drip................Today or tomorow ,the last day?? drip drip.........

* So the Imports that are selling so well,in 2011,will do just as well in 2012,as there is a "Dads Army" protecting Aussie interests,what will happen with a change of Government??

They have just been given 4 years job
certainty.. How much more do you want? It is alot more that most get!!

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by robbo/region15

There will be people, employed by either Ford ,Holden ,Tiers 1,2,3 supply who will be totaly gutted these Lifelines from Detroit have happened.......

Maybe they had already calculated their approximate $ for being retrenched......[Yes i know of quite a few of them/no im not one either]

They could have taken a package last year if they wanted out. Everyone who applied for one, got one.

[robbo/region15]

As long as there is a "government",multitudes of people will get screwed over as if they are hairs on a pigs ****...............

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I've found the answer to the question of which auto they will use. Was looking at ZF's website and noticed that some of the info Ford used in their press release was taken direct from ZF's website page for the 2nd generation 6 speed. The NA and LPi 6's will use the smaller HP21, the 2nd gen version of the HP19, rated to 450nm and supposed to be fitted to the Ecoboost Falcons, and the turbo and V8 will probably use the HP28, second gen version of the HP26. Rated to 700nm. Can shift in as little as 100ms and 3-6% economy improvement over the first gen HP26.


http://www.zf.com/corporate/en/produ...smission.shtml

It was like a lightbulb moment when I read it as the points used in the Advantages section of the webpage were identical to the points used in Fords press release.

Yep you snuffed out a secret there boss. that site says 850nm though... Not 700nm.

Anyway, im glad Ford is sticking with the ZF's. Awesome transmissions. Ford has a long partnerd history with ZF.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

Yep you snuffed out a secret there boss. that site says 850nm though... Not 700nm.

Anyway, im glad Ford is sticking with the ZF's. Awesome transmissions. Ford has a long partnerd history with ZF.

850 nm is the HP32, we use the HP26 at the moment, the HP28 is the 2nd gen version, rated at 700nm.

The HP32 is supposedly a bigger size physically than our version.

[Joe5619]

I've been reading allot of news paper clips & net clips that keep saying Ford has been given a 103M hand out.. This is not correct, Ford has been given 53M hand out & has invested 50M of it's own money.. I with they'd get it right.. Especially Paul Glover who should know better !!

[Bossxr8]

Ten morning news said the same thing, the government has just handed Ford a cheque for $103 million.

Get it right ffs.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

850 nm is the HP32, we use the HP26 at the moment, the HP28 is the 2nd gen version, rated at 700nm.

The HP32 is supposedly a bigger size physically than our version.

Ahhh....

Still. Think Eco Lpi will get it's chains loosened a bit... or is the diff still a weak point?

[Bossxr8]

They won't play with it now. Its only just come out so no need to waste money on more power, they could have got more if they wanted it, they just would have leaned towards economy.

It really makes around 210kw anyway in the real world, marketing numbers are just fluff.

[1TUFFUTE]

yeah its probably allready the fastest cheap eco sedan in the world.
And i find it funny that altho i know its not a handout of sorts it more like the gov supporting eco enginered cars...i was still under the impression from paul knobfaces article that the gov was giving the full 103mil

[jpd80]

OK, let's go back a step..

We also have prima face evidence in the form of Mustang Falcon and Territory that those three vehicles can and do use three separate floor pans
to achieve their end goals, folding metal is not the expensive part of the equation, look at where the high end costs are and what can be shared..
The cradle and swing arms in an IRS are mostly folded steel and bushes, the costly part is the differential, drive shafts hubs and spindles.

Look at all the things the three could share tomorrow if allowed to:
- Engines
- Transmissions
- Electrial systems and switch gear.
- Epass and park assist, lane keeping, MyFordTouch
- Front suspension design, hubs, spindles ball joints, swing arms.
- EUCD/CD4 Side frames and Slim Door Design
- Front chassis rails and firewall, crash protection design.
- differential, drives shafts, rear hubs and spindles
- Braking systems
- Front seats, dash panel and IP design
- HVAC systems.
- Body computers and stability control.


The things that make the vehicles different go onto the derivative side
- Top Hat and Floor Pan
- Trim and glass.
- IRS design, cradle and swing arms.

Surely to goodness a strategy like that enable all RWD vehicles the latitude to meet vehicle parameters while
combining all the high end costs of the separate projects saving a bundle on engineering, everything GM
tried to do with Sigma, Zeta and Now Alpha but has yet to deliver on those promises...

[phillyc]

Excellent post JP

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They won't play with it now. Its only just come out so no need to waste money on more power, they could have got more if they wanted it, they just would have leaned towards economy.

It really makes around 210kw anyway in the real world, marketing numbers are just fluff.

Ahhh.... see. That's where working in the engine department helps.

Cheers Boss.

I so wish I had $50k to lay down on an LPi XR6.

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by jpd80

OK, let's go back a step..

We also have prima face evidence in the form of Mustang Falcon and Territory that those three vehicles can and do use three separate floor pans
to achieve their end goals, folding metal is not the expensive part of the equation, look at where the high end costs are and what can be shared..
The cradle and swing arms in an IRS are mostly folded steel and bushes, the costly part is the differential, drive shafts hubs and spindles.

Look at all the things the three could share tomorrow if allowed to:
- Engines
- Transmissions
- Electrial systems and switch gear.
- Epass and park assist, lane keeping, MyFordTouch
- Front suspension design, hubs, spindles ball joints, swing arms.
- EUCD/CD4 Side frames and Slim Door Design
- Front chassis rails and firewall, crash protection design.
- differential, drives shafts, rear hubs and spindles
- Braking systems
- Front seats, dash panel and IP design
- HVAC systems.
- Body computers and stability control.


The things that make the vehicles different go onto the derivative side
- Top Hat and Floor Pan
- Trim and glass.
- IRS design, cradle and swing arms.

Surely to goodness a strategy like that enable all RWD vehicles the latitude to meet vehicle parameters while
combining all the high end costs of the separate projects saving a bundle on engineering, everything GM
tried to do with Sigma, Zeta and Now Alpha but has yet to deliver on those promises...

I am glad you spelled it out I have not the knowledge to do it.
Interesting if you throw the Ute into the mix too.
forward cabin, and doors are also shared.
It is also interesting to look backi in time and note that previous coupe falcons (and Chargers too) have had more Ute DNA than sedan DNA,

[JPFS1]

So Julia Gillard and Minister Carr visit Ford today..

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business...-1226246329093

And check out the comments at the end...

[BHDOGS]

Originally Posted by JPFS1

So Julia Gillard and Minister Carr visit Ford today..

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business...-1226246329093

And check out the comments at the end...

It just shows you how ignorant and stupid the general public are about things that really should matter to them but dont mean a great deal as its not there jobs whats new in life what annoys me the most is the constant political spin on it im sure ford or holden workers could care less if julie gave it to them tony abbot who would be doing the same thing anyway or the greens dishing out a couple billion for some ford holden tree powered go kart people need to get a clue.

[1TUFFUTE]

i seriously wonder why i try to keep up with whats going on. The problem is every single company or person that is involed in the whole process has an agenda. This makes makeing the right choices...guesses

[BHDOGS]

Also read today that australia subsidies our car industry by 18 dollars for every worker while germany subsidies theres by 90 dollars a worker but its ok because its millions of dollars we are flushing away we dont get it back at all LOL

[Luke Plaizier]

Link?

[Luke Plaizier]

Hey - here's one. $2 Billion Euro Subsidy from Germany to help manufacturers develop Electric Cars: http://sibiunews.com/government-incr...electric-cars/

Plonk that one in the Aussie press would you?


Lukeyson

[Luke Plaizier]

Hmm. That last link looks dodgy. But here's one where the German auto industry got a $1.5bn financial aid package in 2009... http://www.ihs.com/products/global-i...x?id=106595963

Lukeyson

[Luke Plaizier]

http://www.german-business-portal.in...n,rwb=true.pdf

Page 5 - "Germany offers investment incentives of up to %50 of Capital Expenditure"

Is that meant to compare against the ACIS which is 1$ assistance per 4$ spent?


Lukeyson

[BHDOGS]

Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

Link?

Cant link as it was in advertiser paper in Adelaide written by turbo tom

[Luke Plaizier]

Yay Julia.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2579890016122A

Per-Country Per-Capita government assistance to the car industry:


Australia $17.80
Canada $96.39,
France $147.38,
Germany $90.37,
Sweden $334
UK $27
US $264.


Lukeyson