Toyota 86 price $29,990!

[Bossxr8]

Don't think its DSG, just a standard auto.

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by Kevaclone

Most of the ones I saw at the docks were GT base specs and they definitely weren't these Base specs things

No price for A/C??? you can bet it's another $2400 as well
Isn't the Auto the dual clutch type with flapper paddles(I did see some fitted with them), surely they would be just as much fun as they will change gears when you want and faster than most of you lot

The auto is the traditional torque conveter type, it just happens to have paddles on the steering wheel to operate the gears.

I thought they could have done better with the equipment for the dollar. If the top spec variant came in at around $35k on the road, it'd be a consideration, but being $10k more, it doesn't make much sense.

[2011G6E]

I'm honestly shocked...that'll bring in a lot of buyers...well...the ones who aren't blinded that something needs bags of horsepower to be in any way fun and engaging to drive, that is...
It's a suitable successor to the original AE86...not a lot of power, but god, what a chassis!!! A good driver in a pretty much stock AE86 could run rings around someone with a much more powerful car. My '82 RA60 Celica (last of the rear-drivers) handles amazingly, is a ton of fun to drive...but only has 60kw. It'll soon have more (roughly double...got a worked 2ltr 18RG with twin side draft Solexs in the shed just waiting), but will it make it a "better" car? Probably in outright speed, but the handling is what makes it fun.

As for the air con, won't be long before it's standard...it;s standard on everything from tinny little Suzuki Altos and similar cars to everything else from the big Jap makers, so no surprise if it becomes so in the 86.

Watch the after-market go ape once a few of them are around...just like the original!

It's looking more and more like our next car will be one of these things...

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

I'm honestly shocked...that'll bring in a lot of buyers...well...the ones who aren't blinded that something needs bags of horsepower to be in any way fun and engaging to drive, that is...
It's a suitable successor to the original AE86...not a lot of power, but god, what a chassis!!! A good driver in a pretty much stock AE86 could run rings around someone with a much more powerful car.

Watch the after-market go ape once a few of them are around...just like the original!

It's looking more and more like our next car will be one of these things...

If you've been driving a G6E for however long, then go to an FT86, you will be massively disappointed. I know power isn't everything, but torque helps a lot. This thing makes 200Nm @ about 5000rpm. I've had a daily driver that makes meagre torque, and it's frustrating as hell to drive on a day to day basis.

[grandpa_spec_F6]

For a weekend car I'd buy one of these in a heart beat. After taking my F6 through the mountains, then a Silvia, I'd take the smaller car any given Saturday or Sunday.

In red, sure the 86 looks a little 'girly', but in black with a decent exhaust, tune and tyres it would be a rocketship of cool weekend fun!

[flappist]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

I'm honestly shocked...that'll bring in a lot of buyers...well...the ones who aren't blinded that something needs bags of horsepower to be in any way fun and engaging to drive, that is...
It's a suitable successor to the original AE86...not a lot of power, but god, what a chassis!!! A good driver in a pretty much stock AE86 could run rings around someone with a much more powerful car. My '82 RA60 Celica (last of the rear-drivers) handles amazingly, is a ton of fun to drive...but only has 60kw. It'll soon have more (roughly double...got a worked 2ltr 18RG with twin side draft Solexs in the shed just waiting), but will it make it a "better" car? Probably in outright speed, but the handling is what makes it fun.

As for the air con, won't be long before it's standard...it;s standard on everything from tinny little Suzuki Altos and similar cars to everything else from the big Jap makers, so no surprise if it becomes so in the 86.

Watch the after-market go ape once a few of them are around...just like the original!

It's looking more and more like our next car will be one of these things...

Lots of power can compensate for lack of driving ability, well as long as there are not many corners which, I suspect, is why it is the sole focus for some.

[buggerlugs]

Looks like a Hyundai Excell Sprint on steroids......

[Hayden1]

Very nice car. Very nice price. But not a car for me

[lucas2]

Imagine if it came with the 2jz!
The car looks great though

[Rodp]

Cracker of a price but for me, just doesn't have enough go to get me interested. Throw a turbo/supercharger on there, $10k on the price and the upspec gadgets, then you've got my attention.

[EDManual]

I like it! Handling and fun is way better than torque!
I like how Topgear says sciroccos and Golf GTi etc are not fun, I absolutely agree with that! Torquey turbo power right through the rev ranges is boring. Give me high revving NA any day of the week, ie Renault Clio Sport.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Nic85

If you've been driving a G6E for however long, then go to an FT86, you will be massively disappointed. I know power isn't everything, but torque helps a lot. This thing makes 200Nm @ about 5000rpm. I've had a daily driver that makes meagre torque, and it's frustrating as hell to drive on a day to day basis.

Have to disagree. There's a difference between your average gutless econobox and a highly tuned high rpm small capacity n/a sports car.

The torque deficit is minimised by light weight, shorter gearing. And revs. Lots and lots of revs.

Yeah if you like plodding along at low revs then its probably not the right car for you.

[4.0i OHC]

I like plodding around at low revs so this is probably not the right car for me, but kudos to Toyota for pricing it so sharply! I'm also thrilled that the manual version isn't jacked up to be the same price as the auto.
I've heard some great things about this car's steering and chassis balance. The beginning of a return to form from Toyota?

[Polyal]

Its all about power to weight with this thing!

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

J The only people who would call an MX5 that are people who see the types who might often drive them, then base their factless conclusion on that alone - with no real knowlege of the car.

yeap, sounds like 2 of my mates.


I hope my missus wants a new car soon. It would be good to get her into one of these, at least I would actually enjoy driving her car.

Black, with black wheels. I think it would look the part.

She can only drive auto, but that's ok. Especially if it has steering wheel paddles, I love them.

[mik]

Originally Posted by flappist

Lots of power can compensate for lack of driving ability, well as long as there are not many corners which, I suspect, is why it is the sole focus for some.

it could also work the other way , something with a lot of weight and horsepower that is a handfull might take a hell of of a lot more skill to control than a roller skate that goes around corners like it`s on rails.

[music189]

4pages about this car and its only been up as a thread 1 day shows how much interest there is about it ,sure looks the goods my sons pretty keen on getting a auto ,6 speed with paddel shifts and blips on down changes cool!!

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by Brazen

That's the one you can get in Japan specifically for Tuners. No stereo, throwaway bumpers, only colour white etc.

must be cool to live in a market where you get stuff like this

Is this common in Japan?

[Venomous1]

Even though my blood is VERY BLUE. I say congrats to Toyota to have the balls and bring out a sports car that has a Boxer engine is Manual has LSD and is REAR DRIVE. For under 30g's.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by mik

it could also work the other way , something with a lot of weight and horsepower that is a handfull might take a hell of of a lot more skill to control than a roller skate that goes around corners like it`s on rails.

So how does increasing the power of the FT86 make it weigh more and handle like a "handful"?
The subject is the one vehicle with different power levels not comparing two completely different vehicles.

Or do you mean that if you have a heavy car that does not handle increasing the power rather than improving the dynamics thereby making it more difficult to control and therefore actually slower in everything except a straight line but looks more "awesome" is a more sensible option?

[BHDOGS]

So whats the catch? Chinese parts African labour how much did people get screwed to make this cheap car the people with little money can buy?

[DBourne]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

So whats the catch? Chinese parts African labour how much did people get screwed to make this cheap car the people with little money can buy?

I think it helps that it is a cross venture project between 2 major companies.

[casabonka]

well if powerball comes up on Thursday night, I'll be off to Toyota.
I've loved the look of this car since they released the first prototype images.
Very surprised to see it under the 30k mark - I think this would surprise a lot of makes!

[Mechan1k]

Originally Posted by shonkymofo

must be cool to live in a market where you get stuff like this

Is this common in Japan?

I guess so.
Especially when there's guys that buy the base spec to do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-KXOp2bL8I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oQb9...feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUPCw...feature=relmfu

[Corzza]

Thats a good price!!!

[flappist]

Originally Posted by SgtBourne

I think it helps that it is a cross venture project between 2 major companies.

It will be very interesting reading any magazine comparison between the FT86 and BRZ.

[Poetic Justice]

We were discussing the price at work yesterday. Sure there's been a bit of development go into the vehicle, but there are a fair few carry over technologies/parts used from other Toyota and Subaru vehicles in the car.

When you pull it down and ignore the simple fact that yes its a rwd coupe which is exciting, you have to accept that in simple terms it is a sedan (for arguments sake) with a 4cylinder n/a engine. On paper, what more does it offer than say a Corolla at $21,990 for a manual, $9k worth? Probably, but $15-19k worth? Wouldn't think so!

Therefore it's reasonably priced! Not to mention, get a GTS automatic and you're up to the $37,500 mark which is getting up there..

Also; expect Subaru to be dearer as where Toyota have two models (GT & GTS) Subaru will only have one. What features it has I'm not sure of however.

[Fairlane]

I so want one of these. Dont care that it has no power or torque, 6 speed manual and have it scream to over 7000 rpm. Now I just need about 12k and I can trade the Mazda 3 daily in on one.

[Fiesta_Man69]

The Toyotas Subaru twin, the BRZ, gets absolutely slammed in the latest edition of EVO magazine (European). No torque, slow and in desperate need of more power. It gets flogged by the Megane (fair enough, a lot more $) but also the MX5.....

They then go on to pit it against an original WRX and the news isn't good again for the newie...

[EDManual]

They are drivers cars.
There really are not many around anymore.