Windsor vs Cleveland vs Boss - Page 4

Steffo · 02-09-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Has anyone actually voted for windsor because they genuinely think its a better motor? or just because its in their car, or has more after market parts etc etc ZZZzzzz....

Well, I do genuinely feel its a better motor then the other two, and infact felt that it should have been further developed and kept in production instead of moving to the modular line of engines which are... not so great.

4Vman · 02-09-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Well, I do genuinely feel its a better motor then the other two, and infact felt that it should have been further developed and kept in production instead of moving to the modular line of engines which are... not so great.

Cant agree mate, the wheezor ran out of development potential in 1969, the head layout is just too restrictive to make do as a modern engine, it lasted because it was cheap and simple to make and made "acceptable" power.
The last of them had injection which helped it some what, but it still struggled to make decent power, even with a heap of mods.
The cleveland head design is far better.
The BOSS engines are a far better engine for its designed purpose, and IMO provides an excellent result, all it needs to do is loose a bit of weight.

Walkinshaw · 02-09-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

The BOSS engines are a far better engine for its designed purpose, and IMO provides an excellent result, all it needs to do is loose a bit of weight.

and loose some stroke
and gain some bore

Steffo · 02-09-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

and loose some stroke
and gain some bore

Exactly. A 4" bore 3.5" stroke mod motor would be quite interesting... as opposed to the current 5.4 with 3.551" bore and 4.165" stroke...

4Vman · 02-09-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Exactly. A 4" bore 3.5" stroke mod motor would be quite interesting... as opposed to the current 5.4 with 3.551" bore and 4.165" stroke...

What makes you think it needs changing? don't fall into the trap of assuming it needs to be changed based on "traditional thinking".
The reality is the engine's performance is very good regardless of bore or stroke.

Steffo · 02-09-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

What makes you think it needs changing? don't fall into the trap of assuming it needs to be changed based on "traditional thinking".
The reality is the engine's performance is very good regardless of bore or stroke.

I'd like to see what an oversquare 351 ci mod engine would perform like is all.

4Vman · 02-09-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

I'd like to see what an oversquare 351 ci mod engine would perform like is all.

True, it would be interesting to see however over square engines in the traditional sence need to rev more to make their HP (think motorbike), long stroke motors (think truck/diesel) are traditionally more torquey and wont rev as freely.
People have accused the Mod Boss motor of being too peaky and suffering down low which goes totally against the traditional view of long stroke motors, however i believe from results people gain with mods that this "perception" is more a case of the computer tune restricting torque than a short coming of the engine...

nugget378 · 02-09-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rag top

What about utilising a set of CHI heads on a windsor bottom end?

I'd like to see that in oz!

Been done,many times, a mate of mine just finished one,a 302/331 stroker,with 3v 185's,hyd roller cam,it is in a very neat Capri...

70caprigt3k · 02-09-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Has anyone actually voted for windsor because they genuinely think its a better motor? or just because its in their car, or has more after market parts etc etc ZZZzzzz....

I voted for the windsor because i have one for starters and two i have never acually had much to do with a clevo or boss, i have seen them in action been told about etc etc. but all in all im not about to make judgement on something that i dont have all the facts on nor have ever experienced so i am sticking to what is the best motor in my experience.

xr8man83 · 02-09-2006, 01:20 PM

i have to go for the winnie i got oine and think its a great little engine i do like the other ones but the little 302 has the longest record for being in production of any v8 in this country and i think that meens somthing.

Barry_v · 02-09-2006, 02:05 PM

4Vman, i gotta hand it to you. you're quite possibly the most narrow minded person on this forum.

in peak form (not counting phases) both motors...

4V 351w made 290hp stock
4V 351c made 300bhp stock (with a holley over the autolite 4300)

you can argue all you like, but theres ****all difference between them. why do you want to paint things in black and white? i thought this was about chosing your favourite motor not bagging windsors. Im not going to sit here and try and bag clevelands because I own one!

lighten up dude.

4Vman · 02-09-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry_v

4Vman, i gotta hand it to you. you're quite possibly the most narrow minded person on this forum.

in peak form (not counting phases) both motors...

4V 351w made 290hp stock
4V 351c made 300bhp stock (with a holley over the autolite 4300)

you can argue all you like, but theres ****all difference between them. why do you want to paint things in black and white? i thought this was about chosing your favourite motor not bagging windsors. Im not going to sit here and try and bag clevelands because I own one!

lighten up dude.

Relax

: , nothing wrong with spirited or challenging discussion, there's more to a motor than advertised power figures, which is why ive tried to challenge people to think a bit deeper than just what the handbook says.
The 351W was a pretty ordinary motor when punted quickly, it had allot of inherrent design issues which were solved when the cleveland was made.
Clevelands have issues too, so its not all rosy in cleveland town!
I'll just never accept a 351W is a better motor than a 351C or even 302W.

Barry_v · 02-09-2006, 02:19 PM

Only very poor parents play favourites with their kids.

not going to argue with you, its not going anywhere.

snypereb · 02-09-2006, 02:19 PM

Clevo!!

**FTE217** · 02-09-2006, 03:32 PM

IDGAF which 8 I have under the bonnet or which wins the poll !
As far as I'm concerned there's no better feel or sound. As long as it's reliable and gives me the enjoyment behind the wheel and importantly a FORD !

xbgs351 · 02-09-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry_v

4Vman, i gotta hand it to you. you're quite possibly the most narrow minded person on this forum.

in peak form (not counting phases) both motors...

4V 351w made 290hp stock
4V 351c made 300bhp stock (with a holley over the autolite 4300)

you can argue all you like, but theres ****all difference between them. why do you want to paint things in black and white? i thought this was about chosing your favourite motor not bagging windsors. Im not going to sit here and try and bag clevelands because I own one!

lighten up dude.

And the 351 Boss was advertised at 330 bhp, although many claim the real figure to be around 380 bhp.

Walkinshaw · 02-09-2006, 06:42 PM

even though they have MANY short comings.

Modular 5.4 - 388bhp

rag top · 02-09-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

sorry, the first clevelands were cast in 69, BOSS 302 was 1970. Wheezor 3" mains crippled them, the SVO/Dart block uses clevo specs.
By aftermarket i assume you mean CLEVELAND.....

BOSS 302 was also available in 1969.

Gammaboy · 02-09-2006, 07:28 PM

Most powerfull car on the forums (and probably quickest 1/4 too) is a Clevo.....

rag top · 02-09-2006, 07:29 PM

Here is a short history on the boss 302:

http://www.boss302.com/story.htm

ratter · 02-09-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Gammaboy

Most powerfull car on the forums (and probably quickest 1/4 too) is a Clevo.....

I think that statement is wrong, check with Craig from ACE, I think you'll find the answer is funny

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ratter · 02-09-2006, 09:01 PM

The quickest of the forums timeslip data base is a modualr motor :the_finge

**ebxr8240** · 02-09-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

sorry, the first clevelands were cast in 69, BOSS 302 was 1970. Wheezor 3" mains crippled them, the SVO/Dart block uses clevo specs.
By aftermarket i assume you mean CLEVELAND.....

The Dart comes in BOTH specs... I have to say the smaller mains are better tho...
I have an Iron eagle block...Why spend all that $$$ on a weak block...
http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2002/04/dartblock/

SPK-250 · 02-09-2006, 09:31 PM

The C train! Though i'd like to build an injected twin turbo windsor.

tel408 · 02-09-2006, 09:36 PM

Clevelands eat the rest for breakfast!

nugget378 · 02-09-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tel408

Clevelands eat the rest for breakfast!

sssh! dont let them all in on the secret..

ratter · 02-09-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tel408

Clevelands eat the rest for breakfast!

not according to the timeslip data base :thebirds:

nugget378 · 02-09-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ratter

not according to the timeslip data base :thebirds:

steve from RDP's cortina has gone as quick,just not posted

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Linky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCu2rM3EOLE&mode=related&search=

Tiapan · 02-09-2006, 10:48 PM

what about the mod boss with duel carbies!!!! yeah

FordFan86 · 02-09-2006, 11:00 PM

Windsor...
Only because I've got 2 of..

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View Poll Results: Windsor vs Cleveland vs Boss
Windsor	137	28.54%
Cleveland	194	40.42%
Boss	113	23.54%
Dont know or Dont care.	36	7.50%
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