tough choices - xr6t or ghia??? - Page 4

24-12-2006, 02:51 PM

Luxury pack was introduced late in BA. But I'd imagine there wouldn't be too many.

HLC · 24-12-2006, 03:02 PM

Ghia 3V.

the feeling of boost would scare the **** out of your missus, if she was in a hairy situation and gave it a little bit of a bootful to get out of trouble. provided she drives like that.

the Ghia 6, yeah all well and good, got a little bit of go, but the V8 will be just as economical as the T. plus you have to fill the T up on premium. you dont have to with the 3V's.

save the fast cars for your mid life crisis.

MITCHAY · 24-12-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HLC

Ghia 3V.

the feeling of boost would scare the **** out of your missus, if she was in a hairy situation and gave it a little bit of a bootful to get out of trouble. provided she drives like that.

Good point you brought up there. Something worth considering too.

merlin · 24-12-2006, 04:30 PM

Some of you guys are in an absolute dreamworld thinking you can beat a WRX to 100 in an NA 6 Falcon....

For the record my vote for the topic goes to the XR6T - if you were buying new I would change it to the new Fairmont Ghia as I reckon they look shmick!

MITCHAY · 24-12-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by merlin

For the record my vote for the topic goes to the XR6T - if you were buying new I would change it to the new Fairmont Ghia as I reckon they look shmick!

Yeah new Ghia is pretty good. A pretty good visual improvement definately.

I had one behind me one day and I thought "What is the hell is that?" I thought it was a Force model at first.

montyv8 · 24-12-2006, 06:19 PM

This thread would have been a lot quicker to read without all the 'subaru's 0-100 times' arguements/discussion....

if you could find something like Chris's (mightyxr6t) car, that'd be alright. (XR6T with leather, premium etc).
But
I think i'd push for a 3V Ghia, and like you said, go for some pimp spec rims and tint ;)
You get the comfort of the Ghia, and the power of the 8, the economy of the 6..
Have a look at Daves Fairlane G220 if you get a chance, and get him to take you for a spin. It's a stock 3V, only mod being a ~$60 FPV(?) intake, and he reckons it made a big difference. So with a few cheap mods, and an exhaust, you'd have a relatively quick, awesome sounding 'pimpmobile' ;)

MITCHAY · 24-12-2006, 06:32 PM

If you do get a Ghia, you definately have to dump it on some big rims and tint the *****.

Anti-old man pack!

I miss my Ghia sometimes. Very comfortable.

blueoval · 24-12-2006, 08:24 PM

Cheers guys. Will keep your thoughts into consideration.

On a side note, my mrs does know what boost feels like as my mate has a turbo 200. She has respect for turbo's. She finds it hard trusting who is behind the wheel though. :P

MITCHAY · 24-12-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

On a side note, my mrs does know what boost feels like as my mate has a turbo 200. She has respect for turbo's. She finds it hard trusting who is behind the wheel though. :P

Yeah but them women are crazy drivers sometimes

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I remember when my mum almost put the VT into the tree when she was ****ed off once. RWD and gravel driveway and it doesn't have any boost :P

Smoke Pursuit · 24-12-2006, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Some of you people really do live on planet Zorg.

Blueoval is looking at buying a BA. Not BF or BF2.
There are no BA XR6Ts with luxury pack, none, nada, zip they were never made.
There are very few BA XR6Ts with leather almost ALL of them are coloured material seats.
Almost all of them are out of warranty.

The choice IS do you want:
a) a basic car that has the ability to go very fast if you wish to mod it.
b) a top of the range luxury car that goes adequately fast and is very comfortable.

You will probably be able to find a 6T that hasn't been thrashed. (good luck).

errgh....

BA Mark 1s did have the luxury pack option from April 04.

Get your facts straight.

Smoke Pursuit · 24-12-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Iphido

I love the comparison between a 4/5 year old MkI Ghia and a brand new BF/BFII XR6.. Ghia looks dam nice concidering its nearly 1/3rd of the price of the XR6.

MKII or greater Ghia get the FPV steering wheel for starters which lifts the cabin and makes it more enjoyable to drive than plastic on the XR6 or standard leather on the MKI Ghia.

Ghia is all about stublty. XR6.. In a few years BA XR6 kits will be turning up on every 2nd hand falcon with P plates. Spoilers are so 1980's-early 1990's.

Look at the BFII Ghia. Its completely horn. All the Ghia needed was skirts and a touch more chrome. I personally think the BF Ghia is the best looking of all Fords cars. Classy, sporty enough, clean, unfussy.

The XR6 Turbo really isn't mind blowingly fast. There are plenty of cars faster than it (namely almost any Holden of simular era with a V8, lots of turbo jap, lots of luxury german, lots of sporty german, American 300C's etc). Handling wise its more of a cruiser than a sports car.

Ghia has the same suspension as a XR6 + 10mm. Which is a better compromise because sporty fords notoriously bottom out.

The V8 Ghia loses to the turbo on a standarding start but does start to catch it over distance.

Are you refering to my post of the pcis? THe car posted a pic of was a Mark 1 Turbo, the interior pic was of a BF but the only difference is the gearshifter.

I still stick with the Turbo idea, fairmont is so BOOOOOOORRINNNNNNNG and looks cheap on the inside once they have had a bit of wear...

MightyXR6Turbo · 24-12-2006, 09:52 PM

Shav, go for the XR6 Turbo. Your Mrs wont even be able to tell it has a turbo, in stock form the power delivery is so linear you are hard pressed to tell it has a turbo (apart from the obvious spool noise). They are plenty fast enough in stock form, they handle brilliantly, they go hard, they are easily faster in automatic form than Gen III's (my mates VY SS 6spd with exhaust and CAI wasn't any faster than my stock T) and when driven nicely they are good on the fuel. Insurance is easy as pie to get because it is an Aussie built car, registration is cheaper than the V8, and you're sure to keep better resale than a Ghia!

My XR6T is an 03 in Blueprint, auto, and it came with premium sound and leather interior. It is nice as, and relatively inexpensive. My brother picked up an 02 XR6T in Phantom with premium sound, factory 18's and optional momo steering wheel for around the $25,000 mark. I didn't pay alot more for my XR6T either. They are well worth it. You wont be disappointed at all with it.

Best part, is there is plenty of XR6Ts with options, there isn't a whole lot of poverty pack ones. If you want premium sound it is easy to find

And if you spend $900 and get yourself a flash tuner, you have an absolute weapon on a budget!

MITCHAY · 24-12-2006, 10:00 PM

Just a question, why do people say the resale will be higher for the XR6T vs Ghia? XR6Ts are everywhere.

MightyXR6Turbo · 24-12-2006, 10:03 PM

Depends where you live. There is stuff all XR6T's floating around Adelaide in comparison to XR6's for instance.

Basically, because any XR Falcon has held its value better than Fairmont Ghias. Its historically been that way. You'll never get the same $$$ for a Fairmont Ghia of the same age as an XR6/XR8 of the same age. Its just a fact of life. You can pick up Fairmont Ghias from dealers for under $20,000 no worries, you'd be very hard pressed to find XR6T's in dealers for that price.

Steffo · 24-12-2006, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Just a question, why do people say the resale will be higher for the XR6T vs Ghia? XR6Ts are everywhere.

In 11 years, when the XR6 Turbo BA turns 15, it will be the next VL Turbo. And VL Turbo go for alot more then VL Calais N/A or V8. Will be the same deal with Falcons.

People can say what they like, but its inevitable. XR6 Turbo, despite its awesomeness, will be the next f***wit mobile that everyone hates.

MITCHAY · 24-12-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

In 11 years, when the XR6 Turbo BA turns 15, it will be the next VL Turbo. And VL Turbo go for alot more then VL Calais N/A or V8. Will be the same deal with Falcons.

People can say what they like, but its inevitable. XR6 Turbo, despite its awesomeness, will be the next f***wit mobile that everyone hates.

Yep it definately will be like as you say. Hopefully they won't be in as **** condition.

It's one thing hooning, but its even worse in an unroadworthy car.

blueoval · 24-12-2006, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyXR6Turbo

Shav, go for the XR6 Turbo. Your Mrs wont even be able to tell it has a turbo, in stock form the power delivery is so linear you are hard pressed to tell it has a turbo (apart from the obvious spool noise). They are plenty fast enough in stock form, they handle brilliantly, they go hard, they are easily faster in automatic form than Gen III's (my mates VY SS 6spd with exhaust and CAI wasn't any faster than my stock T) and when driven nicely they are good on the fuel. Insurance is easy as pie to get because it is an Aussie built car, registration is cheaper than the V8, and you're sure to keep better resale than a Ghia!

My XR6T is an 03 in Blueprint, auto, and it came with premium sound and leather interior. It is nice as, and relatively inexpensive. My brother picked up an 02 XR6T in Phantom with premium sound, factory 18's and optional momo steering wheel for around the $25,000 mark. I didn't pay alot more for my XR6T either. They are well worth it. You wont be disappointed at all with it.

Best part, is there is plenty of XR6Ts with options, there isn't a whole lot of poverty pack ones. If you want premium sound it is easy to find

And if you spend $900 and get yourself a flash tuner, you have an absolute weapon on a budget!

Thanks Chris.

Yeah I was thinking along the same as you in regards to the options available in the Mk1. From what I see there are quite a number of vehicles for sale on carsales and the like which advertise such options.

Im hoping to get an 03 with premium sound and any other little extras with k's well under 80,000 for about 25k if my mate can help me, or the other option was getting a late 04 MkII Ghia for roughly the same price.

As I mentioned before, I have driven 2 6T's on seperate occasions and have been profoundly impressed with the smooth torque curve, and yes I reckon they are fast enough on adelaides roads in standard form. Im not looking to wanting to drag off every mongrel on the road with it, or I wouldnt hesitate getting the 6T and throwing 10k at it. Its still got to behave well and drive soundly and reliably.

The Ghia has a lot of options though that come standard that appeal too.

blueoval · 24-12-2006, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

In 11 years, when the XR6 Turbo BA turns 15, it will be the next VL Turbo. And VL Turbo go for alot more then VL Calais N/A or V8. Will be the same deal with Falcons.

People can say what they like, but its inevitable. XR6 Turbo, despite its awesomeness, will be the next f***wit mobile that everyone hates.

Thats what I heard too. The 6T will be the next 'VL turbo' for the next generation in years to come. It will even scarier what kind of mods for these cars will be out and about by then. :yeees:

MightyXR6Turbo · 25-12-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

The Ghia has a lot of options though that come standard that appeal too.

No worries Shav.

It doesn't have that many options over an XR6T with premium sound and leather seats. All XR6Ts get power windows all round, they all get cruise control.

All you'd have different on the Ghia is the drivers seat will have a few memory adjustments, dual zone climate control, perhaps adjustable pedals, and perhaps sat nav. And thats about it. Personally, if you can find a T with Premo sound and leather (like what I found) there just was no compelling case to get a Ghia at all. Everything is in the T's favour with that combo. And you know me Shav, I'm the luxury king coming out of Fairlanes and Fairmont Ghias... ;)

blueoval · 25-12-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyXR6Turbo

No worries Shav.

It doesn't have that many options over an XR6T with premium sound and leather seats. All XR6Ts get power windows all round, they all get cruise control.

All you'd have different on the Ghia is the drivers seat will have a few memory adjustments, dual zone climate control, perhaps adjustable pedals, and perhaps sat nav. And thats about it. Personally, if you can find a T with Premo sound and leather (like what I found) there just was no compelling case to get a Ghia at all. Everything is in the T's favour with that combo. And you know me Shav, I'm the luxury king coming out of Fairlanes and Fairmont Ghias... ;)

Yes you definitely are Chris. And as you know I have come from an XR background.

Check this out:
http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars...rtial&R=519646

Tell me what you think?

MightyXR6Turbo · 25-12-2006, 12:50 PM

Thats nice as! And a bargain as well! That is definately worth while getting!

blueoval · 25-12-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyXR6Turbo

Thats nice as! And a bargain as well! That is definately worth while getting!

I'll have to speak to my wholesaler mate, and see what he can possibly do after xmas.

MITCHAY · 25-12-2006, 04:16 PM

Seems to be a bargain. Scoop it up mate! Leather, premium gear etc Stuff the Ghia when you could get this.

flappist · 25-12-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

errgh....

BA Mark 1s did have the luxury pack option from April 04.

Get your facts straight.

Yep, you are right, I stand corrected. The Mk2 started in Oct.

Still, the luxo pack is only 80% of the Ghia interior. Mk2 Ghias are floating about for high 20s and a lot of them have satnav as it was a freebee for a while.

buickman · 25-12-2006, 06:10 PM

Seems to be a bargin with low milage & the premuim package. But I would get a inspection done just to make sure it has not had a hard hit in the front as a BF bumper & price sounds a signal for buyer to beware.

**EASYBOSS** · 25-12-2006, 06:27 PM

If your going to keep if for 5 to 10 years, spend a little bit more and get a BF with a ZF 6 speed

MITCHAY · 25-12-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Yep, you are right, I stand corrected. The Mk2 started in Oct.

Still, the luxo pack is only 80% of the Ghia interior. Mk2 Ghias are floating about for high 20s and a lot of them have satnav as it was a freebee for a while.

Ah Satnav. Whatever happened to a street directory?

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Racecraft · 25-12-2006, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EASYBOSS

If your going to keep if for 5 to 10 years, spend a little bit more and get a BF with a ZF 6 speed

that is my way of thinking.. I wouldn't be keen on a BA XR6T being in good nick after another 5 years.. That would make it atleast an 8 year old car...

flappist · 25-12-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Ah Satnav. Whatever happened to a street directory?

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Ah fuel injection and DIVCT, what ever happened to carbs and sidevalves.

You do realise that some people live in a state or territory that is bigger than a donkey farm.........

blueoval · 25-12-2006, 08:06 PM

Yeah an indepandant inspection will be a must with either car I choose. Im not saying I dont trust my mate, just that he doesnt fully know the history of the vehicle nor how it was driven despite what k's are on the clock. Plus it adds peice of mind incase there is something undetectable.

But like some of you say, it doesn sound slightly sus if the front bar was swapped for a BF one.

On the note of going for the 6 speed, I would love to, but personal budget was 25k. I really dont want to push it any further if possible. I am prepared to wait till the right one comes along though.