2018 Ranger Raptor

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by b0son

Which begs the question... will it get a mid-life update here and be offered with the petrol engine? Time will tell.

no.
In the US the Ranger Raptor with the 2.3 ecoboost will be viewed as the "baby Raptor" and appeal much in the same way as a hot hatch.

here its a big vehicle

[RANGEREST]

Originally Posted by b0son

Which begs the question... will it get a mid-life update here and be offered with the petrol engine? Time will tell.

I'd have a petrol powered Ranga if it had good power and reasonable economy whilst towing, but
No, apparently we love diesel

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by RANGEREST

I'd have a petrol powered Ranga if it had good power and reasonable economy whilst towing, but
No, apparently we love diesel

I would too. I have a XL single cab with the 2.2 diesel. If a petrol equivalent was available when I was shopping, i would have had it taken that option and rid myself of the potential problems diesels have with short, low speed trips.

[b0son]

For me, purely on principle, the hero car should have a hero engine (or at the very least, an exclusive variant of an engine). Offering it with the same engine that will be available range-wide next year, takes some of the wind out of the model's sails.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by EDManual

I wonder if the 2.0 to 3.2 in ranger is comparable to say the 2.2 twin turbo in the new navara to the old 3.0 in the dmax? The 2.2 navara is horrible, has more power for about 500 or 600 revs between maybe 2500 to 3000, apart from that nothing. Its so busy, noisy and just not pleasant at all. The Dmax has a cruisy power for a much wider rev band and sure its not as peaky but so much nicer to drive. The Ford 2.0 obviously has more power but has to change gears all the time, which is ok as it has all the gears. It is meant to be more refined than the 3.2. But I would guess for me the bigger engine would be a much nicer drive. I think if you werent after the raptor, you really would have to try them both to see what you like.

That's the problem of making assumptions before you have actually driven one, you get it wrong. The 2.0 has a wider power band than the 3.2, the second bigger turbo steps in and keeps the power going where the 3.2 drops off.

Just look at the power and torque tables posted earlier in the thread for a visual representation.



One of the websites, either goauto or caradvice claimed the engine is 75kg lighter than the 3.2 too.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by b0son

Which begs the question... will it get a mid-life update here and be offered with the petrol engine? Time will tell.

I think JDP80 has made it quite clear, this IS the mid life update.

So any power train updates will be in the next generation, I think Maric is full of crap, there will be no US Raptor in this generation.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

I think Maric is full of crap,

you aren't alone.

I hope he isn't driving cars that haven't been crash tested

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by prydey

you aren't alone.

I hope he isn't driving cars that haven't been crash tested

Worst click bait ( he’s not a journalist ) out there, just terrible.

He should be held accountable for his crap !

[articulatedsphinx]

Starting to finally be able to actually get insurance quotes on some insurance websites. Pretty much the same price as a Wildtrak, and somehow cheaper with a few?

I’ll never understand underwriters. 10k more expensive and basically designed to be naughty, but is cheaper to insure...


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[Sabantien]

Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

Starting to finally be able to actually get insurance quotes on some insurance websites. Pretty much the same price as a Wildtrak, and somehow cheaper with a few?

I’ll never understand underwriters. 10k more expensive and basically designed to be naughty, but is cheaper to insure...


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Naughty off road. Where they won't insure you?

[articulatedsphinx]

Originally Posted by Sabantien

Naughty off road. Where they won't insure you?

I will probably go with a specialty line insurer like AJG or Chubb, because most Australian car insurance providers have exclusions big enough to drive buses through.

[articulatedsphinx]

My biggest need is recovery insurance and Australia wide coverage. Anywhere and everywhere and it seems that only a few cover that specifically. Like AJG and club 4x4 etc

[Sabantien]

Sounds like a good idea. I'm guessing more expensive, but not as expensive as writing off your rig and not being covered.

Something i'll have to think about if I get myself into a 4by.

[ozrunner]

Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

My biggest need is recovery insurance and Australia wide coverage. Anywhere and everywhere and it seems that only a few cover that specifically. Like AJG and club 4x4 etc

club 4x4 say a lot but you need to read their policy carefully as its not all what I expected, eg recovery is to the nearest road only and you might be on it !!!!

[articulatedsphinx]

Originally Posted by ozrunner

club 4x4 say a lot but you need to read their policy carefully as its not all what I expected, eg recovery is to the nearest road only and you might be on it !!!!

Yeah I’ve noticed their amended PDS now basically says that if you’re stuck, they will unstick you so you can continue your journey. But if you’re mechanically broken down and it can’t be fixed they will tow/recover you. There is also yet another excess on top of that...

So maybe not it’s all it’s cracked up to be.

[ebv8]

http://unsealed4x4.com.au/u4x4/issue...053+-+Send+1#1

has anyone read this review yet?

says pretty much its awesome on bumps and slower than the 3.2

[articulatedsphinx]

Originally Posted by ebv8

http://unsealed4x4.com.au/u4x4/issue...053+-+Send+1#1

has anyone read this review yet?

says pretty much its awesome on bumps and slower than the 3.2

Yeah I've read it and he says it "feels slower". And that it cant carry as much as the Wildtrak. And it's too expensive.

[Romulus]

Great car, shame about that engine. Should have the Ecoboost engine, but we already knew that.

[articulatedsphinx]

Look the reality is that the engine has more power than:

1) Toyota Hilux
2) Ranger Wildtrak
3) Isuzu Dmax
4) Nissan Navara
5) Mitsu Triton

Essentially you have 3 choices if you want a faster ute:

1) buy the Mercedes when the V6 comes out in December
2) buy the V6 Amarok
3) chip your own and void your warranty

That's it for now. I'm so sick of hearing about the engine. We get it. It's slow.
It's still going to sell and Ford knows it. I'm still going to buy one.

This issue of more power seems to be some newly concocted problem, and I think it's to do with the expectations surrounding the "raptor" legacy.

Do I wish it had a bigger motor, sure. But is it he be-all-end-all of the raptor? No.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

Essentially you have 4 choices if you want a faster ute:

1) buy the Mercedes when the V6 comes out in December
2) buy the V6 Amarok
3) chip your own and void your warranty

4) Grow up

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

Look the reality is that the engine has more power than:

1) Toyota Hilux
2) Ranger Wildtrak
3) Isuzu Dmax
4) Nissan Navara
5) Mitsu Triton

Essentially you have 3 choices if you want a faster ute:

1) buy the Mercedes when the V6 comes out in December
2) buy the V6 Amarok
3) chip your own and void your warranty

That's it for now. I'm so sick of hearing about the engine. We get it. It's slow.
It's still going to sell and Ford knows it. I'm still going to buy one.

This issue of more power seems to be some newly concocted problem, and I think it's to do with the expectations surrounding the "raptor" legacy.

Do I wish it had a bigger motor, sure. But is it he be-all-end-all of the raptor? No.

And you have zero options if you want a ute that is faster and can go where the Raptor can, and do the things it can do.

Unless you want to import an F150 Raptor, but that would not do well on our tight bush tracks. Too wide, too long and range would probably be limited.

[jpd80]

From what I gather Ford Asia Pacific has been wanting to do a Raptor for years
but one of the conditions was that they only use engines available to the main project.
The other bit to this is that the inclusion of the 2.3 EB for US Ranger was only done
well after final lock in for the Ranger Raptor so not available anyway. So this is the
run to the finish of GEN1 T6, GEN 2 will arrive Q3 or Q4 l2021.

F150 Raptor and Ranger Raptors are not your traditional bush bashers,
they are more of a desert runner - the kind of thing you use on more open
dirt roads where people might like to get along at speeds that would start
to get rather hairy in a regular Ranger/Colorado/Hilux/Navara.

If you want something more akin to a muscle chested bush basher, then
the new Colorado Z71 Extreme is probably a much better equipped and
tyred Ute

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

Starting to finally be able to actually get insurance quotes on some insurance websites. Pretty much the same price as a Wildtrak, and somehow cheaper with a few?

I’ll never understand underwriters. 10k more expensive and basically designed to be naughty, but is cheaper to insure...


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Posisbly it’s because people who buy premium products tend to look after them better? Like a GT Falcon which is designed to go much faster than a base model falcon, probably is less likely to be involved in accidents because the owners tend to better look after them than owners of a taxi pack Falcon.

Plus as if people will actually take a Raptor off-road anyway.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by jpd80

From what I gather Ford Asia Pacific has been wanting to do a Raptor for years
but one of the conditions was that they only use engines available to the main project.
The other bit to this is that the inclusion of the 2.3 EB for US Ranger was only done
well after final lock in for the Ranger Raptor so not available anyway. So this is the
run to the finish of GEN1 T6, GEN 2 will arrive Q3 or Q4 l2021.

F150 Raptor and Ranger Raptors are not your traditional bush bashers,
they are more of a desert runner - the kind of thing you use on more open
dirt roads where people might like to get along at speeds that would start
to get rather hairy in a regular Ranger/Colorado/Hilux/Navara.

If you want something more akin to a muscle chested bush basher, then
the new Colorado Z71 Extreme is probably a much better equipped and
tyred Ute

I tend to agree, will be interesting to hear stories of owners pushing a bit hard.

It will handle rough terrain, but its not the baja desert racer some may be hoping for.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

From what I gather Ford Asia Pacific has been wanting to do a Raptor for years
but one of the conditions was that they only use engines available to the main project.
The other bit to this is that the inclusion of the 2.3 EB for US Ranger was only done
well after final lock in for the Ranger Raptor so not available anyway. So this is the
run to the finish of GEN1 T6, GEN 2 will arrive Q3 or Q4 l2021.

F150 Raptor and Ranger Raptors are not your traditional bush bashers,
they are more of a desert runner - the kind of thing you use on more open
dirt roads where people might like to get along at speeds that would start
to get rather hairy in a regular Ranger/Colorado/Hilux/Navara.

If you want something more akin to a muscle chested bush basher, then
the new Colorado Z71 Extreme is probably a much better equipped and
tyred Ute

Wonder why they didn't use the tune of the 2019 Edge/Endura with approx. 175kW (238 PS and 500 Nm) output as indicated on the Ford UK website?

[simon varley]

probably because Raptor has to meet truck Euro 5 emissions not car.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Wonder why they didn't use the tune of the 2019 Edge/Endura with approx. 175kW (238 PS and 500 Nm) output as indicated on the Ford UK website?

They have two types of diesel in the UK, the regular stuff and one with higher centane value.
I suspect it has to do with that and the variability of our local diesel....

it could also be progressive development of the HP tune in the 2.0 Panther,
Ranger Raptor leap frogs the tune used in 6AT/6MT UK diesel Edge
now the 8AT/6MT diesel version leap frogs Ranger Raptor.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

They have two types of diesel in the UK, the regular stuff and one with higher centane value.
I suspect it has to do with that and the variability of our local diesel....

it could also be progressive development of the HP tune in the 2.0 Panther,
Ranger Raptor leap frogs the tune used in 6AT/6MT UK diesel Edge
now the 8AT/6MT diesel version leap frogs Ranger Raptor.

On a side note saw a couple of Endura's leaving the Ford garage a few weeks ago...not close enough to see any model badging and obviously a no go with cameras, sure hope the hi/po diesel gets here....if our pollies could stop the back-stabbing play of each other atm and set decent fuel standards for us we would enjoy better engined vehicles.

[jpd80]

Maybe buyers have to shell out for either an ST Line or Titanium to get the good engine,
I hope we get the one good tune across the range, at +$49 K you should be getting that.

The lower engines are 139 Kw and 110 Kw which is a bigger come down than the just
superseded pair of 157 Kw (6AT) and 135 Kw (6MT)

[Ford17]