QLD Easter : 1 Km over Speed Limit Ticket!!!!!!

[damo6]

i went past a camera van today sitting in 2ft of long grass on the bruce hwy,the flash on the bumper was buried in the grass,wonder if would still work considering they rely on the reflectiveness of our number plates or do they?

[superfly]

Originally Posted by flappist

Are you really that battered and beaten that you believe that just because someone take a measurement on a device that it is 100% accurate?

The LIDARs are not fixed into a frame the are being manually held. It is impossible for a human being to stay perfectly still and the movement of 1km/h is not noticeable so if you are doing exactly 100 and the copper has a slight wind behind him or is a bit tired or whatever the LIDAR measures the difference between the speed you are going and the speed it is going. Assuming it is perfectly stationary is foolish and naive and under the law the copper will have to prove he was not moving at a rate that is imperceptible to the naked eye. Good luck with that.

What so you contest every single speeding ticket you get and win? Surely it can't be that easy otherwise every ticket they write is invalid.

Sounds plausible what you say but does it hold up in court or are you flushing hundreds of dollars down the drain trying to prove it?

[superfly]

Originally Posted by last fairlane

watched the news last night
they said that 100000 motorists caught speeding on the 100kph Pacific motorway that is five lanes wide doesnt that tell you the speed limit is too low for a freeway with 5 lanes when 2ks further down the motorway with the same conditions and the limit raises to 110

It's actually 4 lanes at that point and about 100 meters further it becomes 3 lanes. Once it's 100kph, it stats 100kph all the way to the city.

I've assumed you're talking about the one at Loganholme. If you're talking about the one at Smith Street, the speed limit is 110kph already before you get to the camera.

But even with the big signs saying speed camera ahead, people still speed through there.

[opto]

Qld government just moved the goalposts under the guise of 12 road accident deaths last Easter break. prove to me each accident was speed related the previous Easter.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by graham7773

Mate, I couldn't get my legs out the window if my car was stationary and you paid me.

A simple question. Who on these forums, whining about totally avoidable fines has actually been fined in the last few days for speeding? While out on a freeway yesterday at 110kph I checked my speed several times. Time to look at speedo and up to the road again, less than 1/2 a second. No deviation in my track, maintaining my lane evenly so no problem to check my speedo from time to time.
If the speedo watchers need some help, they can buy an after market heads up display which puts the speed and other relevant info on the lower section of the windscreen. No more hanging their heads risking endangering theirs or other road users lives or property.

Yeah I'm whining ..... just as much as those who throw the "Dont speed dont get caught" whining. No, touch wood, haven't been caught speeding for a while and how many times did you have to adjust your speed back to the limit when you checked? Please don't say never?

Just irks me quite a bit that those who have the opposite view (anti low tolerance etc) to the righteous few (I never speed brigade when in fact they do everyday) are classified the whingers ....... in fact its these bleeding hearts that carry the govco company line for some obscure reason and are actually more whingey and whiney than everyone else.

The lower the tolerance, the less it is avoidable ..... to not see this is just being a little blinkered.

[SEZ213]

From what QPS just said on their facebook page, we don't have double demerit points up here during holidays, so there's one bonus...I guess :\

[renegadeous]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

Did we have GPS back in the good ole days ???
Bit hard to compare then to now, the cars ,that we have now even in povo pack will wipe the floor with just about anything shy of top of the range from back then
I remember goin up the bruce highway on brissie northside taking on a LH torrie, he ran out of puff at 170, I went round like he was parked,in a skyline silo way way back in the old days,do it now get caught id be treated worse than a mass murderer ......
The way they parade , its a worse crime to possibly project an injury or death than it is to commit the injury or death
We will slap ridiculous fines for speeding ,even the minutest amount of speed over the limit because you "Could" possibly injure someone or kill them ......
Whats next ban ,or fine you for carrying anything,as anything used incorrectly could cause harm to others
Easy targets,money spinner , that's all

Nah mate. We didn't have GPS's and that's my point. I remember cruzin in the old man's FX Holden (I know he had bad taste in brands... but it was a free ride...) and the speedo was in miles. My point is simply this. We are over regulated to the point where we cannot use our common sense... That was common back in those days. If you saw a yellow sign on a highway saying 65 around the next bend and you did 80 well you were just stupid. If you crashed your car then no condolences here fool. That's how I drove. It was common sense for me to slow down in a school zone when kids were out and about. I didn't need a sign to tell me to. Just as I don't need a sign to tell me to slow down when passing traffic in peak hour when I am in a clear left lane and people are stuck behind some nob going nowhere doing a right hand turn in the right lane. Someone is going to pull out so I adjust my speed accordingly. We need to get back to a time where people took pride in their cars. Maintained them. Understood them and the brain is the best judge of driving conditions rather than an arbitrary sign. Again I emphasise. People spend too much time worry whether they are doing the right thing rather than knowing they are doing smart thing and adjusting their driving to conditions rather than some knee jerk sign put in place to appease the masses.

[BHDOGS]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Yeah I'm whining ..... just as much as those who throw the "Dont speed dont get caught" whining. No, touch wood, haven't been caught speeding for a while and how many times did you have to adjust your speed back to the limit when you checked? Please don't say never?

Just irks me quite a bit that those who have the opposite view (anti low tolerance etc) to the righteous few (I never speed brigade when in fact they do everyday) are classified the whingers ....... in fact its these bleeding hearts that carry the govco company line for some obscure reason and are actually more whingey and whiney than everyone else.

The lower the tolerance, the less it is avoidable ..... to not see this is just being a little blinkered.

So people who dont speed dont get caught and dont post up speeding camera threads on this forum because they dont get caught speeeding whingers? people who do speed and get caught go on forums post anti speeding thread then complain about speeding cameras and fines not whingers? sounds abit backwards to me.

[2011G6E]

I'm whining as well, dammit.

I'm not whining because I want to speed and get away with it. I'm not whining because I think it's all just revenue raising (because not all of it is).

I'm whining because "zero tolerance" and booking people for one kph over the limit ignores many basic factors in driving a car in any normal fashion.

Cruise control: yes, it's great...but you do realise that it doesn't apply the brakes if your car goes down a hill, and you will drift up a few kph over the set speed and then eventually go back to normal...and if you believe the hype that radar traps aren't set up in hilly areas, I have a bridge in Sydney to sell you, cheap...

Speedo error: yes, on cars made after a certain date (2005?) the error is supposed to be always on the fast side, so you never actually speed...in other words, an indicated 100 is actually, say, 95. However, are you absolutely sure of that? Checking with the GPS, our G6E was just about dead on..well...it was until we fitted new tyres...then it was actually doing a genuine 102 at an indicated 100. Not sure how that worked, but there you go...this would mean that under the stupid "zero tolerance" idea, I would have been fined every time I drove past a radar trap. Our current Triton dual cab is really out...an indicated 109 is actually 100kph by the Garmin GPS we have fitted. To do a genuine 110kph, the speedo needle must be up on 120.
Oddly enough our 30 year old Celica is absolutely spot on...an indicated 100kph is almost exactly 100 by the GPS. My 2008 Suzuki GSX1400 motorcycle is also way out...I used to wonder why people would overtake me everywhere after I first bought it, then I attached a mates GPS to the handlebars. It reads between 10kph and 15kph slow from 80 up to 110.

To make up for these known inaccuracies, I sit on speeds that have nothing to do with that dial in front of me...I have to set up a GPS to ensure I am doing the right thing...or in the case of my GSX1400, I've put small yellow dots of paint on the speedo dial as a reminder of where the actual speeds are.


I will make a prediction about the coming Easter road toll:
There will be deaths...more deaths than usual for a weekend. The government and authorities will not be able to see that if you suddenly chuck tens of thousands of extra motorists onto the roads in a short period of time, some of whom aren't used to driving long distances at highway speeds, there will naturally be more deaths in that period, and they will blame mad wreckless drivers, instead of honestly saying "there's more drivers on the road...of course the toll will go up...but excrement occurs..the most we can do is try and keep a lid on the drunks and people being truly stupid instead of wasting time on people who have drifted one kph over the limit".

[EVLKNEVL]

IN THEORY:
- Every motorist should be able to control the speed of their vehicle to within 1km/h of the limit at all times
- Speed cameras are in place to deter motorists from exceeding the speed limit
- Speed cameras are effective in deterring motorists from exceeding the speed limit
- By introducing zero tolerance, the government has done what is necessary to prevent road accidents/deaths. Subsequently, the number of road accidents/deaths in Queensland over Easter will be drastically smaller than last year's number

IN REALITY:
- A very large number of motorists tend to creep over the speed limit by a few km/h during normal day-to-day driving (I'm not debating whether it's acceptable or not, I'm stating it's reality)
- Speed cameras are an effective tool for generating revenue for the government because the above is true
- Many motorists continue to marginally exceed the speed limit regardless of speed camera presence
- When the revenue/road toll statistics for the Easter period become available, we shall see how successful the zero tolerance 1km/h program has been.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by EVLKNEVL

IN THEORY:
- Every motorist should be able to control the speed of their vehicle to within 1km/h of the limit at all times
- Speed cameras are in place to deter motorists from exceeding the speed limit
- Speed cameras are effective in deterring motorists from exceeding the speed limit
- By introducing zero tolerance, the government has done what is necessary to prevent road accidents/deaths. Subsequently, the number of road accidents/deaths in Queensland over Easter will be drastically smaller than last year's number

IN REALITY:
- A very large number of motorists tend to creep over the speed limit by a few km/h during normal day-to-day driving (I'm not debating whether it's acceptable or not, I'm stating it's reality)
- Speed cameras are an effective tool for generating revenue for the government because the above is true
- Many motorists continue to marginally exceed the speed limit regardless of speed camera presence
- When the revenue/road toll statistics for the Easter period become available, we shall see how successful the zero tolerance 1km/h program has been.

You "reality" is exactly right.
Making the "tolerance" as low as possible...and one kph is about as low as you can go without being ridiculously stupid (as opposed to normally stupid about it)...just doesn't face reality. People are allowed to do 100 kph...and if you are a normal human physically attempting to maintain the limit, you will drift up and down a little bit, and this must be allowed to be done to acknowledge the fact that there is a human being behind the controls, not a robot. If they use cruise control set on that perfectly legal limit, then you also have to allow for the variation that cruise control also does as you go up and down rises and falls in the land. Making it one kph is just fostering contempt and making it blatantly obvious that it's all about the money and not safety, because even the most rabid anti-sped campaigner would have to admit the difference between 99, 100, and 101 is not worth worrying about and will not make any measurable difference to an impact or reaction times.

The statistics for the Easter period will show a rise in the road toll...hey cannot help but do otherwise. Simple statistics mean that if you have maybe double the number of drivers on the road in a short period of time, you will naturally have more potential for accidents. Increased numbers of drivers in such a short period of time must mean more accidents...that's just a fact of life. It'll happen as sure as night follows day. Sad, but that's just being brutally honest and facing facts.
Yesterday and into last night as we were driving our train along beside the Capricorn Highway, myself and my co-driver were commenting on the noticeably heavy traffic volume on the road...the traffic was a constant stream when normally on the day before a weekend the traffic would be heavier, yes, but not as heavy as it was last night. The overtaking manuevers were "interesting" as well, and we saw quite a few extremely close calls. No idea if there were any extra accidents on that road last night, but it wouldn't surprise me.
The one mitigating circumstance I can see could be that just about everyone out here is pretty well experienced with long highway distance driving. The big problems start when Joe Average in the city loads up the car with the family for his once or maybe twice a year trip to the relatives six hundred kilometers away, and tries to do it in a few hours all in one hit...how hard can it be? I'll leave straight after a full days work and drive through into the night so we can have four full days away! Easy!


The true big killer at this time of year is fatigue. That's what they should concentrate on...however, it's not as simple to monitor fatigued drivers as it is to stick a camera in the bushes and rake in the dough while the accidents inevitably still happen from other causes than doing one extra kph over the limit...

A news item from my area...very misleading...http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au...most-/1810300/
If you read the actual article, drivers don't "support it"...they "said the threat of double demerit points helped reduce dangerous driving conditions"...that's hardly saying they "support them"...they are saying that the fear of the double demerits will make them be more careful. That's different to "supporting them".

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

So people who dont speed dont get caught and dont post up speeding camera threads on this forum because they dont get caught speeeding whingers? people who do speed and get caught go on forums post anti speeding thread then complain about speeding cameras and fines not whingers? sounds abit backwards to me.

way to miss the point.

I like many others who don't/havnt been caught speeding still think this low tolerance rubbish is exactly that, rubbish. It's not about the fear of being caught, it's the stupidity involved in policing a law that is doesn't account for any intolerance in car or driver. We are humans, we make mistakes, using a 1kmh variance is often well within any tolerances in car or driver and is easy money.

[xxx000]

trouble is too many people see the 100 or 110 sign and think " ok that's the minimum speed i must do' when it's the limit

easy to not speed at easter, drive at around 10km/h under the posted limit and you won't 'creep' over the limit and get a fine

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

So people who dont speed dont get caught and dont post up speeding camera threads on this forum because they dont get caught speeeding whingers? people who do speed and get caught go on forums post anti speeding thread then complain about speeding cameras and fines not whingers? sounds abit backwards to me.

Yes, as Dallas has said, you missed the point. I can have a point of view, so can others no need to whine about the fact that someone does have an opposing view. To not agree with something isn't nessesarilly having a whinge! It's stating an opinion. And those who think they are perfect in the manner they drive, JUST on the basis they havnt had a ticket is deluding themselves. I would much prefer and feel safer being a passenger who adjusts their speeds according to traffic, surroundings and the conditions rather than drive fixated on their speedo. That's how I see it

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by xxx000

easy to not speed at easter, drive at around 10km/h under the posted limit and you won't 'creep' over the limit and get a fine

Oh that made me , in the right lane too?

[EVLKNEVL]

Originally Posted by xxx000

trouble is too many people see the 100 or 110 sign and think " ok that's the minimum speed i must do' when it's the limit

easy to not speed at easter, drive at around 10km/h under the posted limit and you won't 'creep' over the limit and get a fine

Is that really what people think? How can you be sure they're not thinking "ok that's a sensible speed to travel at since it is similar to the speed all the traffic around me is doing."?

Motorists going out of their way to avoid fines, at the expense of driving safely and fluently, is more dangerous than exceeding the limit by 1km/h.

[EVLKNEVL]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/113019/s...sw-government/

[The Monty]

Pretty sure the speed LIMIT is the MAXIMUM speed you are meant to do. Not the speed you MUST sit on without ever going a fraction below, ensuring that you are requiring yourself to constantly look at the speedo to also not creep over.

[Road Games]

Originally Posted by superfly

But even with the big signs saying speed camera ahead, people still speed through there.

My experience with those who know about them and seriously who doesn't by now?

They all approach doing 110-120 then hit the brakes and go under at 90-95 and then accelerate to whatever they want after it.

Yeah folks they are a really effective road safety device these things.

Nothing annoys me more than people hitting the brakes in front of me when they are already doing the speed limit just because they see a camera !

Unless they do so from the far right lane and then speed up to 130 or whatever after they have passed the camera...

[csv8]

Speed limits need to be reassessed..from Gracemere it goes 80>100>60>40 in 5km's not much time to slow down between changes. I know its roadworks..but the time to reduce is limited..FLASH!!

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by csv8

Speed limits need to be reassessed..from Gracemere it goes 80>100>60>40 in 5km's not much time to slow down between changes. I know its roadworks..but the time to reduce is limited..FLASH!!

All you have to do is be at or below the limit when you pass the speed sign, I don't see that as too hard
especially when you can see the speed camera sitting up in the distance.


I was amazed that govco actually warn drivers with a sign, "Speed camera ahead" , anyone getting fines at these locations is well, stupid...

We have competing interests here, those that think all speed limits are too conservative and want licence to drive at much faster speeds
versus the wowsers that swallow every bit of BS the government utters, speed limits by their very nature are conservative and
must therefore include a conservative safety margin, having a douche instruction police to fine for 1 kph over defeats the safety message.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by jpd80

All you have to do is be at or below the limit when you pass the speed sign, I don't see that as too hard
especially when you can see the speed camera sitting up in the distance.


I was amazed that govco actually warn drivers with a sign, "Speed camera ahead" , anyone getting fines at these locations is well, stupid...

We have competing interests here, those that think all speed limits are too conservative and want licence to drive at much faster speeds
versus the wowsers that swallow every bit of BS the government utters, speed limits by their very nature are conservative and
must therefore include a conservative safety margin, having a douche instruction police to fine for 1 kph over defeats the safety message.

Great theory.

So while you are spending your time watching for sometimes difficult to see constantly changing speed limits should you appoint various passengers to look out for other vehicles, kids playing on or near the road, animals, potholes and other obstructions or is it ok to damage your vehicles, kill a child and his dog and hit another car just as long as you are under a number set on a sign by a public servant who has on almost all occasions absolutely no idea what the conditions surrounding the sign are like?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by graham7773

Mate, I couldn't get my legs out the window if my car was stationary and you paid me.

A simple question. Who on these forums, whining about totally avoidable fines has actually been fined in the last few days for speeding?

I have. 105 in a 100 zone, on a 3 lane dead straight highway that was built to a 110 standard, but kept the limit to 100 for no reason other than to rake it more revenue, on a day where traffic was light.

Please explain to me how what I did was dangerous and worthy of a fine. It was my first fine in 2 years and only my third in 10.

Any other state than Victoria and it would not have even been a fine, but for the sake of extra revenue Victoria has a lower tolerance than other states. Freakin Nazi's. I guess something has to prop up the big black revenue hole Juliar ripped out when she adjusted the GST revenue distribution between states

[J.C.]

Originally Posted by damo6

i went past a camera van today sitting in 2ft of long grass on the bruce hwy,the flash on the bumper was buried in the grass,wonder if would still work considering they rely on the reflectiveness of our number plates or do they?

Did you flick a few matches at it and hope for the best?

[csv8]

Sezzy..we do... Mr Hall said the double demerit point regime applied in all state and territory jurisdictions during holiday periods and long weekends.

But he reminded motorists that Queenslanders could also be issued with double demerit points outside of holiday periods and long weekends.

"In Queensland, if you commit the same traffic offence for a second time within a 12 month period you will incur double points," he said.

"The same applies for not wearing a seatbelt. If an offence is committed within 12 months of the first infringement then double points apply.

"All licenced motorists in Queensland need to know that these requirements exist."
http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au...most-/1810300/

[atec77]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

I have a crazy idea, what if people just don't go above the speed limit?
Then they wouldn't get a fine. Or is that just silly?

It's same old thing , plain silly to suggest obeying the law will save you , I got stopped this morning and verbaled some , I pointed out the passenger , the recording gear and gps , a very grumpy ocifer suggested I leave immediately before he changed his mind
Be prepared and run your gps at all times in an obvious place is a start

[irish2]

Originally Posted by XR6TCraig

How would you feel about slow drivers if there were just one lane and no overtaking lanes for 60klm?

I have come across this before. Being in a turbo falcon that did not last too long.

[irish2]

Originally Posted by jpd80

All you have to do is be at or below the limit when you pass the speed sign, I don't see that as too hard
especially when you can see the speed camera sitting up in the distance.


I was amazed that govco actually warn drivers with a sign, "Speed camera ahead" , anyone getting fines at these locations is well, stupid...

We have competing interests here, those that think all speed limits are too conservative and want licence to drive at much faster speeds
versus the wowsers that swallow every bit of BS the government utters, speed limits by their very nature are conservative and
must therefore include a conservative safety margin, having a douche instruction police to fine for 1 kph over defeats the safety message.

That is the whole point. Ping the inattentive numpties and let everyone paying attention get on with their day.

[EDManual]

I honestly don't care if you get caught by a speed camera. You should have been paying attention and seen it. The real cops are the ones I hate in the middle of nowhere. and the average speed camera s. They are the ones that effect me. I've been caught perhaps 15 times over about the same amount of years, only in the middle of nowhere every time where there was little to no traffic. This is what we need to stop. Not the dim wits who get done by cameras.

[irish2]

Originally Posted by xxx000

trouble is too many people see the 100 or 110 sign and think " ok that's the minimum speed i must do' when it's the limit

easy to not speed at easter, drive at around 10km/h under the posted limit and you won't 'creep' over the limit and get a fine

More dangerous things happen on the road when you get someone driving at what they think is 10km/h under. With their speedo inaccuracy they are probably only doing 85km/h. A perfect recipe to cause dangerous maneuvers to avoid the person and fatigue/inattention for those following.

On many dead straight sections of highway you can see damaged guard rails and trees on the side of the road. That is caused by inattentive driving or tiredness. Try finding a nice open highway late at night, 3 or more lanes wide. Sit on 80km/h for 20k's. Then think back and see if you can remember everything you did/happened around you. Now repeat at 110km/h and see just how much more alert you were for those 20km's