What's the most practical supercar?

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by MAFIA

Sorry but this Thread clearly tittles "What's the most practical supercar?"

How does Sportscar like Porches 911 and Nissan GT-R fit in this thread???

Time to bring out the 'burg times...


-Nissan GT-R 7:24.22 (according to some, its "not a supercar")

-Ferrari Enzo 7:25.7

-Pagani Zonda F Clubsport 7:27.82

-Ferrari 458 Italia 7:32.92

-Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera 7:40.76


hmmm...


GT-R outpaces many a supercar...is 100% road legal just about everywhere...cheap...etc...sounds pretty "super"

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by Bent8

Including the mighty GT-R... 318kph (197mph) at the redline in 6th.

The R35 is a performance coupe that offers "supercar like" performance for a fraction of the cost but foregoes the looks, exhaust note and no 7th gear to reach the double ton.

Like others have said, you can't have both, a supercar is a machine designed to be pushed to the limit with no regard for reliability or comfort.

Practical = SUV, People Mover
Supercar = Veyron, Aventador, Ferrari F12, Ford GT, SLS AMG etc

The GT-R smashes everything above at the 'ring... so for a car thats offering "supercar like performance at a fraction of the cost" its making all the "no regard" cars in your list look somehow not so SUPERCAR!

List of current times here, the F12 and Veyron dont appear most likely because they lap in an embarrasing time for the cost... so much for no-compromise! http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

Like it or not, the relatively cheap/heavy/low powered GT-R is a very SUPER CAR (Is it ok with you guys if I break that into two words?) and quite frankly it makes all these so-called uncompromised supercars look rubbish.

If I shelled out for a Zonda or a Gumpert (which by your definition is the very knife-edge of the term Supercar) and took it to a track and saw an R35 pulling away from me I would be feeling a little ripped off.

Bahahaha... no-compromise!

Daniel

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Time to bring out the 'burg times...


-Nissan GT-R 7:24.22 (according to some, its "not a supercar")

-Ferrari Enzo 7:25.7

-Pagani Zonda F Clubsport 7:27.82

-Ferrari 458 Italia 7:32.92

-Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera 7:40.76


hmmm...

Current GT-R laps in 7:19............

[Wretched]

This may help some people "define" a super car.
http://www.zeroto60times.com/blog/20...rs-definition/

I'll stick with the 911 and Panamera Turbo as the most practical.

[SantoAU]

Thread now needs to be renamed: "Why a Nissan can never be a supercar (and other stupid statements I read on the internets)

[CAT600]

"We disagree and believe that only factory stock high-performance cars should meet the criteria. Finally, still other enthusiasts believe that proper supercars can’t be based on the body of lesser models and must be built on a dedicated platform."

^^^ Very pertinent point that I was going to raise earlier, base 911 is far from a Supercar yet a GT2 RS is an absolute animal... Nissan do not have this issue as the 370Z is an entirely different platform and shows that the R35 was purposely designed as a ground-up Supercar.

Haters will be haters..........

Daniel

[STINKY NINJA]

I think alot of people hate the fact that nissan have the recipe to smoke 99% of the worlds so called supercars with their "not supercar gtr"
What would you call a factory stock automobile that blows away supercars for breakfast for way less money,if not a supercar is it a supercar eater so that then disqualifies it from this thread...
:yel rotflm

[Polyal]

It is amazing how definitions vary, and thank god otherwise what would we talk about, I would prefer a "supercar" that also looks like sex just standing still. Something that you look at and go damn! I dont think the Japanese have really come up with anything like that since their golden age of NSX/RX7 etc from 2000-2002...and while they are quick there is nothing over super about them with the imposed "limit" they had.

So you can keep your lap times because in this and most countries it stands for very little unless you hit the track, and not a straight one either.

But one thing the GTR does very well is keep people honest...to the point in which Toyota allege the next Supra wont be aimed at the GTR because they simply wont get there. Pretty much the same line FTe used to give us with the S1/S2 T Series..oh we are going for the package because just at the minute we dont have the power.

[99AUXR]

Heard plenty of people car GTR a supercar, and it is. And I love boost so thats rules out allot of N/A supercars as good as they are IDC.

To all the haters go drive a GTR at its limits, bet 99% of people here wouldnt be able to find them so stop calling it stale.

To me supercar is something that is sub 4 secs 0-100 and will run 200mph.

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by CAT600

The GT-R smashes everything above at the 'ring... so for a car thats offering "supercar like performance at a fraction of the cost" its making all the "no regard" cars in your list look somehow not so SUPERCAR!

List of current times here, the F12 and Veyron dont appear most likely because they lap in an embarrasing time for the cost... so much for no-compromise! http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

Like it or not, the relatively cheap/heavy/low powered GT-R is a very SUPER CAR (Is it ok with you guys if I break that into two words?) and quite frankly it makes all these so-called uncompromised supercars look rubbish.

If I shelled out for a Zonda or a Gumpert (which by your definition is the very knife-edge of the term Supercar) and took it to a track and saw an R35 pulling away from me I would be feeling a little ripped off.

Bahahaha... no-compromise!

Daniel

That's all very true mate but in all honesty... park an Aventador next to an R35 and ask 50 people off the street to point out the "supercar"...I think we both know what the majority of the answers will be regardless of the GT-R's time around the 'Ring.

Yes the R35 is stupid fast and it should be with the amount of electronics on board, 7:19 on the 'Ring is just beyond belief for a 540bhp coupe.

The funny thing is... line the R35 up against any of these 'inferior' Italian/German exotics in a straight line race and the outcome would be nothing less than embarrassing as you bounce off the redline while the others "pull away". ;)

It's all good fellas, I don't hate the GT-R, but apart from the impressive spec sheet, there's nothing else that really excites me about the car and for the record, I have driven one.

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by Bent8

That's all very true mate but in all honesty... park an Aventador next to an R35 and ask 50 people off the street to point out the "supercar"...I think we both know what the majority of the answers will be regardless of the GT-R's time around the 'Ring.

Yes the R35 is stupid fast and it should be with the amount of electronics on board, 7:19 on the 'Ring is just beyond belief for a 540bhp coupe.

The funny thing is... line the R35 up against any of these 'inferior' Italian/German exotics in a straight line race and the outcome would be nothing less than embarrassing as you bounce off the redline while the others "pull away". ;)

It's all good fellas, I don't hate the GT-R, but apart from the impressive spec sheet, there's nothing else that really excites me about the car and for the record, I have driven one.

Sit the '35 next to the Lambo, put $450,000 cash in the boot of the GT-R, write the 1/4 mile and 'ring track times on the windscreens and ask people what is more practical

I never said the Exotics were inferior... but it does pan out that way.

When I first drove an R35 I was not impressed that much either to be honest... but something about the car stuck with me so I went back 8 months later and had another drive and bought it (it was the exact same car believe it or not as the owner turns them over every 6-9 months) and thats when the magic started... ownership is very different to a test drive. I would again suggest that if nothing excites you about the car then it shows you either are not pushing the car enough OR are not looking for technical strengths rather more ego-based highlights (sound/badge appeal/wow factor) and to me thats sad when outlaying "Supercar Money"...

A guy like Trev (mcnews) is different when he says "Porsche GT3" and "RWD heaven" I get that because its stands up as an argument and he is looking at the car from a technical standpoint... when it rains hard or im looking for 2nd gear exit powerdown from a roundabout on less than perfect surfaces thats when the GT-R excells, considering we drive on the street and it rains 3-6 months of the year its hard to argue that the R35 ISNT a very practical supercar to me.

So if you are motivated by the sound of a V10/V12 or just want to kerbcrawl on a Sunday then the exotics are a better choice, but unless you have over 500K you wont buy one that is also a very capable car to drive hard, and even then it wont be practical as well so thread become a moot point

Daniel

[mcnews]

I do know his point though Dan. The Nissan despite its technical brilliance does nothing for me in the trouser department, same with Audi RS models, again brilliant incredibly fast cars but so boring to look at..... For big coin I want major trouser action without even getting in it :-)
If you get another one though it won't stop me pestering you for a fang when I have some spare time in Perth again, lol.

[CAT600]

Looks are subjective but I do accept the fact that I am a victim of cars that have massive grunt and traction... smooth, flowing but underpowered cars such as my mates Stradale do absolutley nothing for me, I am happy for him but I could never own a car like that. To me the '35 is a sledgehammer wrapped in tanned leather (not velvet like a Veyron or 911 Turbo S hahahaha) which is exactly my style

No worries Trev, next one I get will be a little while away and I will be down to 1 maybe 2 Fords by then which will be more for versatility and sentiment than performance.. I was so close to exiting the Ford scene but im not quite finished yet

Daniel

[mik]

Originally Posted by CAT600

Too many conditions... what is practical?.... what is the budget?.... what badge qualifies as a Supercar producer?

Those that stick with the no-soul thing must be talking about exhaust note (nothing tops V10 or V12 notes no doubt at all), the GTR is rich in it you just cant be a puss when you are extracting its best... as for kids in the back my mate Tino sat behind me and it wasnt that bad he is not a big guy but much bigger than a kid.

To me, if you are asking about what is practical you are talking about a car that can be driven every day, in traffic just like a normal car but be "Super" in its performance

Ferrari clutches that need to be replaced after 5 launches?
2.5m wide Lambo's that have no rear vision?
Ride heights that struggle with common road conditions in our country?
Rear mount engines that leave you with the storage space of a medium sized Esky?
Suspension that requires smooth roads to feel at its best and not be uncomfortable to drive long distances

Before we go any further and talk about fuel capacity (range and burn rate) or the practicalities of servicing in all but capital cities many of the cars that quantify as an outright Supercar are out of the picture... because they are not really practical.

There are few that remain and the no-bull$h!t Nissan is one of them.... 1700kms down southwest WA in two days and I got out ready to do it all again


Daniel

The gtr must be pretty awesome, my uncle is fairly well off , he has a garage with high end beamers that he changes fairly frequently, a heap of harleys etc, etc, he's on his second GTR, i'd say he's driven just about everything good worth driving, he reckons perfomance wise nothing comes close to the gtr, he raves about them.

[Uwish]

Dan, sorry but the Aventador will beat the GTR down the 1/4 mile. Most likely GTR will win around the track.
Anyway .... Seems like FF have voted GTR for the most practical supercar award!

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Uwish

Dan, sorry but the Aventador will beat the GTR down the 1/4 mile!

...by .6 of a second...

[mik]

Originally Posted by Uwish

Dan, sorry but the Aventador will beat the GTR down the 1/4 mile. Most likely GTR will win around the track.
Anyway .... Seems like FF have voted GTR for the most practical supercar award!

yep nice car and the lambo is pretty quick, dunno if you would use it as a daily though, the first nasty bit of melbourne road the wheels would be off the ground or the nose panel would be probably be sitting on the road ....... practical ???

[zilo]

The title does say "practical"

I live in Australia, the land of speed cameras and nanny governments.

Who cares about a top speed of 200 mph? or 200 km/h?

One little transgression and they throw the book at you or crush your car in front of you.

So...it's all about the 0-100km/h...nothing else matters.

No turbo will do unless it's a bi-turbo/supercharger combo...
or a big V8/V10/V12 with FI



It must be all wheel drive or a damned good 2 wheel drive.

Because if you audibly break traction in Victoria you are subject to hoon laws and see above comment about crushing.

So what's left?

So what do we have on offer with that criteria?

[aussie_rabbit]

V10 Touareg - simple remapping gave you 300kw and 1000 nm of torque!

space for everybody, creature comfort and a rorty V10 exhaust,

0-100 in 5.6 seconds or idle around the Woolies car park

[MAFIA]

Originally Posted by CAT600

2.5m wide Lambo's that have no rear vision?

Um your referring to the old Countach and diablo Dan! Not the newer Murcielago and Aventador as they got rear vision sorted! lol

[Kayos]

Audi R8 must hold that title still in my book, sorry much loved Nissan GTR and Porsche GT2/3 everything is fast these days but some arn't supercars in my book. M3, C63 or Aston/Jags don't cut it either, driven that later.
My logic, the porsches and Nissan are top end super sports cars that fly.. (until 918 hypercar arrives) you can't compare a Nissan as yet to being a supercar or to being better than porsche because it did some laps or can cut a straight line, be serious, quality build/engineering compared to cross spawned speed and numbers.
Sure Nissan spent 10 years "engineering" it but do you actually know how a porsche motor works or what it has in it? Built for that car with that car.
Supercars go on the wall and have the "supercar" looks to match like the countach or f40 from way back when. But practical and supercar hhhmm R8

[CAT600]

The R8 is a nice car, one of my old mans mates bought an RS5 but drove the R8 first, didnt rate the auto shift quality at all and had nowhere near the power of an R35 but was more refined and better finished he said.

However, Nissan have built a rock-solid reliable car especially the MY11 onwards, there are a lot of GTR's running 9's on the stock engine and we dont need to talk about the handling of course.

I also read a review in a Unique cars mag a couple of years ago where they test drove a handful of high end sports/supercars from a boutique hire company, the R35 had 55,000kms on it and the journo said it drove like a new one, with no squeaks or rattles... ask Paul (GTP370) about his 996 911 Turbo... 24,000kms and rattles throughout!

Keep hating guys... I owed a '35 and know the truth...........

The more you fight it the more I love it!

Daniel

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Kayos

Sure Nissan spent 10 years "engineering" it but do you actually know how a porsche motor works or what it has in it? Built for that car with that car.

So is the TT V6 that powers the GT-R...

[Ben73]

Last year in Las Vegas I had an opportunity to drive a supercar around a racetrack.

There were 6 cars to choose from. Immediately I crossed the Nissan GTR and the Porsche off the list. Leaving a Lambo, Ferrari, Aston Martin and Audi R8.
Yes the GTR and Porsche are fast, but they do nothing for me.
I don't see them as full on supercars. I think they are just really good sports cars.
I ended up in the Lamborghini Gallardo V10.

Maybe the GTR is faster, but I don't care. I regret nothing.
It's all about personal preference.

[Fireblade]

**** this is a practical supercar thread not what supercar is better than the other around a freakin track or what sounded better or what looks better yada yada.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by aussie_rabbit

V10 Touareg - simple remapping gave you 300kw and 1000 nm of torque!

space for everybody, creature comfort and a rorty V10 exhaust,

0-100 in 5.6 seconds or idle around the Woolies car park

Turbo territory would flog it wouldn't it?

[RULE303]

[QUOTE/]Turbo territory would flog it wouldn't it?[/QUOTE]

Territory turbo does 0-100 in about 6 so sadly no. Not too sure about the f6x but you'd expect it to be substantially quicker than the territory turbo..

[chevypower]

Most practical for what? Most practical for multipurpose applications would probably be the Porsche Cayenne Turbo S. It's fast, it can seat a few people, get the shopping, go off-road, and it can tow. If it doesn't fit your definition of "supercar," that's because a supercar can't compromise on performance for practicality. According to this, it has to have a midengine.
http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...car?s=t&path=/

I don't know of any practical midengine cars. This is a practical Lamborghini: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ghini_2008.jpg

[zilo]

Originally Posted by RULE303

[QUOTE/]

Territory turbo does 0-100 in about 6 so sadly no. Not too sure about the f6x but you'd expect it to be substantially quicker than the territory turbo..

yes but with a remap/retune as per the V10 Toureq comment....?

[RULE303]

Originally Posted by zilo

yes but with a remap/retune as per the V10 Toureq comment....?

Fair enough, with an investment of 2k or so you can get power similar to cayenne turbo or ml63. Would be the way I go, if I could drive ;)