VFACTS October 2013

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by russellw

The first set of graphical stats has been uploaded to the Tech Portal now.

Cheers
Russ

Thanks Russell, I'm sure I speak for everyone here in thanking you for your contribution of monthly sales figures and data analysis.

Falcon 1076
Ute 345
Territory 1114
Ranger 4x2 525
Ranger 4x4 1502
Focus 1432
Fiesta 716
Mondeo 187
Kuga 512

[Oldbugger]

Falcon YTD sales around 8120 units a long way short of the heady days in the 80's when we were doing 75K plus a year. Locally manufactured units (Ford, Holden and Toyota) YTD @ 95K YTD will probably round out to be 120K full year with Holden taking 50% share and Ford and Toyota splitting the remainder 49/51. Gone are the days when Ford was doing 520+ units a day.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by Oldbugger

Falcon YTD sales around 8120 units a long way short of the heady days in the 80's when we were doing 75K plus a year. Locally manufactured units (Ford, Holden and Toyota) YTD @ 95K YTD will probably round out to be 120K full year with Holden taking 50% share and Ford and Toyota splitting the remainder 49/51. Gone are the days when Ford was doing 520+ units a day.

Agreed, however the good thing with these numbers is Ford is selling what they are building in local car terms. If these numbers continue, then we'll get the 2014 Falcon update, which is good news.


Also a better month for Kuga. Hopefully that continues to increase. I still think Focus is the worst performing model in the Ford line up. Just my opinion of course!!

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Agreed, however the good thing with these numbers is Ford is selling what they are building in local car terms. If these numbers continue, then we'll get the 2014 Falcon update, which is good news.


Also a better month for Kuga. Hopefully that continues to increase. I still think Focus is the worst performing model in the Ford line up. Just my opinion of course!!

Sorry mate, no room for opinions around here....just facts.....and only from the one source. Apparently there's plenty of every model of every known configuration and colour combo ready to go in all cities. Don't quote me either!!

[bigwil]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Agreed, however the good thing with these numbers is Ford is selling what they are building in local car terms. If these numbers continue, then we'll get the 2014 Falcon update, which is good news.


Also a better month for Kuga. Hopefully that continues to increase. I still think Focus is the worst performing model in the Ford line up. Just my opinion of course!!

Mondeo not doing much either.

[russellw]

Mondeo is perhaps the most disappointing from my perspective. Sure the segment itself is hardly a barnstormer and the Mondeo does occasionally get as high as 3rd in the segment but with the Camry outselling even the closes rivals by almost 6:1 and outselling the Mondeo by more then 10:1 in even the best months; you seriously have to wonder whether there are that many style-challenged pensioners around to sustain Camry volume.

Having driven both extensively, I know where my *** would rather be parked and it doesn't have a Toyota badge on it.

Cheers
Russ

[PepeLePew]

Two posters in this thread can just accept that opinions can differ please and move along. Enough sniping.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by russellw

Mondeo is perhaps the most disappointing from my perspective. Sure the segment itself is hardly a barnstormer and the Mondeo does occasionally get as high as 3rd in the segment but with the Camry outselling even the closes rivals by almost 6:1 and outselling the Mondeo by more then 10:1 in even the best months; you seriously have to wonder whether there are that many style-challenged pensioners around to sustain Camry volume.

Having driven both extensively, I know where my *** would rather be parked and it doesn't have a Toyota badge on it.

Cheers
Russ

Could say the same thing for most of the ford range in recent times. People just don't seem to care what they drive...they must just go down to the closest dealer and wave their finger.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Agreed, however the good thing with these numbers is Ford is selling what they are building

Because they are building less and less, that's hardly good news.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by russellw

where my *** would rather be parked and it doesn't have a Toyota badge on it.

Toyota sells virtually on reputation alone. Reliable, reasonable quality, well equipped for the money. I doubt anyone really factors the actual driving of the thing into their purchasing decision.

Toyota = cardigan.

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Really? So you don't get defensive when some know it all tells you your lieing....and that all the press releases you've read over the last couple of years are wrong. Yeah right!

And we rocked up with CASH( so did one of my mates) looking at loaded Terri's,G6ets and Rangers and them looking at loaded focuses. Why would they tell us 3 months or even a bit more....when we were legit buyers. Doesn't make sense to me....AT ALL.

And last time I checked car salesman weren't exactly the most morale and honest people. About as good as lawyers and thieves!
But it doesn't bother me now.....we just left and picked up a G6. Best thing we ever did. BUT ITS ALL A LIE

Last night I went to a lovely restaurent in Melbourne cbd. Hanging out for a good piece of steak, I ordered a 500 gram ribeye. Much to my disgust, the waiter told me I had to wait 40 mins for it so instead I ordered a greek salad. As weird as that sounds it really makes sense. It does believe me!

This is my last retort. You're too hard

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by Gadgetman

Last night I went to a lovely restaurent in Melbourne cbd. Hanging out for a good piece of steak, I ordered a 500 gram ribeye. Much to my disgust, the waiter told me I had to wait 40 mins for it so instead I ordered a greek salad. As weird as that sounds it really makes sense. It does believe me!

This is my last retort. You're too hard

well you lasted all of ten minutes...you just moved to another thread....where you proceeded to call me a liar and basically that I know nothing.

I proceeded to shove your lame comments in your face by showing you where the facts I stated came from.

I don't care if your a respected ford dealer or mohammed.......if you come on here and call me a liar and tell me im full of it and making stuff up......ill show you the facts.
Sorry mate but I simply love reading all things ford...so if you want to call me a liar you better be able to back it up.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by barra240t

I'm a stock controller and I can tell you the following on Ranger:

Manual XLT is easy, depending on what colour you want
Manual XLS easy
Manual XL is easy, some models a little tricky
Manual Wildtrak is a contract only order, March 2014 at the moment

Auto XLT a little hard, around 3 months depending on colour
Auto XL hard to very hard 4x2 and 4x4 depending on spec
Auto Wildtrak is a contract only order, March 2014 at the moment

Thats the truth take it or leave it and forget the rumours. I'm over hearing the Ranger stories for people who know nothing about the order process

Also it depends from dealer to dealer and their allocations on how long you will wait.

That helps explain the lowish Ranger sales!!

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...1400483&page=2
the above link is simply for gadgetmans education...or anyone who wants to read up on the Rangers Availabilty.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by b0son

Because they are building less and less, that's hardly good news.

Yes of course... But they have had to slow the line rate to match the lowers sales in the past. At the current line rate I'm not hearing many down days, which is good news & means they’ll make 2016 (if sales stay at current levels). If there was heaps of down days now, then the whole thing would be questionable to go all the way until 2016.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Yes of course... But they have had to slow the line rate to match the lowers sales in the past. At the current line rate I'm not hearing many down days, which is good news & means they’ll make 2016 (if sales stay at current levels). If there was heaps of down days now, then the whole thing would be questionable to go all the way until 2016.

No down days for the rest of the year. But a 4 week Christmas break is on the cards.

[Joe5619]

WOW, March 2014 for Wildtrtak.. How many would they sale of them each month?

They are a nice ute!! I saw a black one the other day, looked good & I'm not a ute fan either..

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

well you lasted all of ten minutes...you just moved to another thread....where you proceeded to call me a liar and basically that I know nothing.

I proceeded to shove your lame comments in your face by showing you where the facts I stated came from.

I don't care if your a respected ford dealer or mohammed.......if you come on here and call me a liar and tell me im full of it and making stuff up......ill show you the facts.
Sorry mate but I simply love reading all things ford...so if you want to call me a liar you better be able to back it up.

Read into it anyway you want to pal. Are you one of those people that believes everything you read? Sounds like it. And the facts you're presenting is 1 stock controller's opinion. Here is the deal. If you walk into a rural Ford dealer and ask him how long for just about any Ford, the answer is going to be a long wait. Cause some dealers only carry between 5 to 10 cars. Some of the bigger dealers out there such as Bryan Byrts in Brissy, would have a few XLT's to choose from. Carsales as we speak have dealers offering 189 XLT autos in stock for immediate delivery. Maybe your local Ford dealer doesn't carry much stock which brings me to the point that if you're prepared to take 1 persons scenario and then use that as a basis to describe the product availability in general proves that you're in no position to carry on with this argument. Just give up man. I don't know what you do for a quid and thus am prepared to say I know **** about what you do and would be prepared to listen to you rather than doubt you cause I read some articles about how your profession carries itself on a daily basis.

[russellw]

... and that's enough of that discussion thanks. If you wish to contuinue the debate then please do so via the PM system.

Let's stick to the topic at hand.

Cheers
Russ

[GT014]

I agree with Russ, this gadgetman vs 1tuffute is getting real old, spoils the thread.

Out of those VF sales, anyone know what percentage or numbers were private sales?

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Gadgetman

Carsales as we speak have dealers offering 189 XLT autos in stock for immediate delivery. Maybe your local Ford dealer doesn't carry much stock which brings me to the point that if you're prepared to take 1 persons scenario and then use that as a basis to describe the product availability in general proves that you're in no position to carry on with this argument. Just give up man.

So the upshot of all this is that the supply "excuse" seems to be just that.

We already know that the products themselves arent a problem.

[csv8]

Toyota has the Westinghouse Camry Altise at $26,990 drive away !!! no wonder sales are up!! Ford needs to get their Focus pricing sorted....a Titanium with the Executive Pack at $29,990 drive away should entice buyers.....Ford cann't expect their Euro cars to sell on Euro cred. They are made in Thailand and don't have Euro Car cred...ST is Euro.....

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

So the upshot of all this is that the supply "excuse" seems to be just that.

We already know that the products themselves arent a problem.

The supply issue depends on who the consumer is dealing with. Hey I see lots of XLT's on the road and how are those people different to others that really want one. Same goes for Focus. They reckon fiesta st's are hard to get as well. There are 15 for sale in Vic If you want a car you will get one so all this stuff about can't get etc with the exception of wildtrak is wearing thin. Can't use that for lack of performance.

[russellw]

The second set of supplementary data is now uploaded to the Tech portal.

Cheers
Russ

[Express]

Originally Posted by russellw

The second set of supplementary data is now uploaded to the Tech portal.

Cheers
Russ

Why over the last 12 months has there been nearly double the volume (91.6%) improvement for Lancer?

Is it a buy one get one free deal?

Or did they sell almost nothing last year?



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[MrZ]

Lancer hasn't improved at all since last year. Sales are down nearly 20% this year.

[Express]

Originally Posted by MrZ

Lancer hasn't improved at all since last year. Sales are down nearly 20% this year.

Fair enough, have I read the charts wrong?




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[BroadyFord]

Very grim for Aussie cars. Even the usually optimistic Go Auto appears to have thrown in the towel in terms of defending the industry.

Market Insight: Holden hopes rise with VF sales

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257C1D0005E329

THE strong sales result of Holden’s VF Commodore in October materialised this week amid new studies both in favour of, and against, ongoing support for Australian motor vehicle manufacturing and intense speculation about the level of commitment within federal cabinet for continuing to build cars here.

The 3315 new registrations last month recorded by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries’ VFACTS reporting service marked a 35 per cent increase for Commodore over the corresponding month last year, reducing the large sedan and wagon range’s year-to-date sales decline to 14 per cent with two months of trading left in the year.

At the midway point of the year, Commodore was down 35 per cent YTD compared to the first six months of 2012.

The positive result for the VF passenger car range last month papered over the substantial cracks in the chart of Holden’s homegrown vehicle sales this year, underpinning a 10 per cent increase for its Adelaide-built stable as a whole for October but still leaving the lion brand’s local car sales down 20 per cent overall this year – the deepest decline of all three Australian car-makers.

Sales of the niche long-wheelbase WN Caprice have also improved with the new model range – up 97 per cent last month on 183 units, but down 31 per cent for the year thus far – and the VF Ute clawed back into positive territory in October, up 3.2 per cent for the month (615 units) to stem a severe downturn that currently stands at 28 per cent this year.

That was enough for Holden to highlight its return to form, with company saying it “proves there is still a big appetite for Australian cars among Australian buyers”.

Of particular concern for the car-maker, however, will be the ongoing lacklustre sales performance of the volume-selling Cruze small car, which was down 15 per cent last month (1923 units) for a 16 per cent fall YTD.

Cruze is clinging on to a 10 per cent market share in Australia’s biggest market segment, but remains well shy of the more popular imported Toyota Corolla (17 per cent share), Mazda3 (16.5) and Hyundai i30 (12).

Holden’s 47,112 year-to-date sales of its locally manufactured vehicles compares to the more export-dependent Toyota’s 24,137 – down 12 per cent YTD after a worrying 34 per cent freefall last month (its Camry stalwart plunged 33 per cent) – and the virtually no-export Ford’s 23,616-unit tally so far this year, which is 19 per cent in arrears.

Toyota’s Camry and Aurion sedans are now down 7.6 and 23.8 per cent respectively this year, while Ford will be contemplating a further 30 per cent decline in Falcon sedan sales, a 21 per cent fall for the Falcon utility and a 7.3 per cent negative shift for the Territory SUV – the three of which are in line for an upgrade next year and a complete withdrawal from the market two years later.

All up, less than 100,000 new Aussie-made cars have been registered this year – the official total stands at 94,865 – which represents a 17.6 per cent downturn in an overall new-vehicle market that is 2.6 per cent ahead and on track to set yet another record, surpassing last year’s 1.112 million.

Last year, Australian cars’ influence on the overall market fell to 12.5 per cent. So far this year, the industry is accounting for just 10 per cent of all new registrations, and could slide below this mark come December 31 – a position that would further the cause of those inside federal cabinet (and out) who are resisting further taxpayer subsidies to the ailing sector.

There will be detailed inside knowledge within Canberra’s corridors of power about the future models Holden intends to build in Australia from 2016-17, if it wins enough support from the reluctant Abbott government.

A redesigned Cruze and Commodore are both in progress, but current local sales trends and limited export opportunities are sure to be weighing heavily on the minds of the decision-makers.

A widely anticipated switch to a front-drive platform for the large car – likely seeing an end to the utility and long-wheelbase sedan – could drive volume down further. On the other hand, would a smaller, more efficient new Commodore turn things around to such an extent that it vindicated the investment required from both Detroit and Canberra?

As GoAuto has reported, a detailed study released by the FCAI this week puts the negative impact on the Australian economy of a car industry shutdown (calculated to 2031) at $21.5 billion, far in excess of the amount of industry assistance that would be provided over that time period.

This is a persuasive argument for ongoing, if not increased, taxpayer funding.

But crucial decisions are also still to be made – or made known – in the US and Japan.

Ford says government funding did not, in the end, determine in its decision to pull up stumps in 2016. Australia’s increasingly fragmented new-vehicle market figured more heavily.

Toyota says it needs to cut around $3800 from the cost of every car it builds in Australia if it is to survive here beyond 2018. Part of this will hinge on taxpayer support, while savings will also be sought in other areas, such as labour.

For Holden, which sorely needs major new export contracts and posted a $153 million loss last year on the back of continued sales declines for Commodore and Cruze, we’re left to contemplate how much downward pressure on domestic sales of its locally built cars the company and its supply chain – not to mention the governments supporting them – can withstand.

And how much sales growth is necessary to help guarantee its manufacturing future out to 2022, which is as far as GM is currently prepared to go?

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by Express

Fair enough, have I read the charts wrong?


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Not sure, I don't look at charts, only figures. Here they are for Lancer:

2012 average: 1276/month
2013 average: 1064/month (down 16.6%)

Quite depressing figures (down 45%) when you look at 2010 when they were selling 1923 per month.

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by Express

Fair enough, have I read the charts wrong?




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IF you're a mits dealer, you would be hoping Trition doesn't die in the **** or else you're business would go with it.

[vztrt]

Isn't the lancer at the end of its model run?