Ford Endura - Page 5

Bossxr8 · 25-10-2018, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

From what I read about Acadia, it may transition former commodore buyers to an SUV. pretty much the same V6 engine - cheap. it might do ok..

With soaring petrol prices now, a big petrol V6 SUV isn't a good thing.

mike_nofx · 25-10-2018, 11:57 AM

What kind of fuel figures are petrol V6’s getting these days anyway?

Vesper Martini · 25-10-2018, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

With soaring petrol prices now, a big petrol V6 SUV isn't a good thing.

true & I don't believe the reviews of under 10L/100

Bossxr8 · 25-10-2018, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

true & I don't believe the reviews of under 10L/100

It will be a pig in the real world.

Dr Smith · 25-10-2018, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

I admit I also questioned the engine specs, however now that I know it's kerb weight, which it's about 500kg lighter than territory, with same power and torque, it should actually go ok. I'd imagine the gearing will be better than territory also.

Economy will be more important than performance if the current fuel price trend continues.

I think it's about 330Kg difference between 5 seater SZ Territory Titanium and Endura AWD Titanium so it is a significant difference...maybe it's just me but when I think premium diesel engined SUV's my mind starts at 180kW

spvd02 · 25-10-2018, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

I admit I also questioned the engine specs, however now that I know it's kerb weight, which it's about 500kg lighter than territory, with same power and torque, it should actually go ok. I'd imagine the gearing will be better than territory also.

Economy will be more important than performance if the current fuel price trend continues.

Might want to double check those figures. Bi turbo Edge weighs 1949kg, where the heaviest territory was not much over 2100kg. Not sure where you get the 500kg figure from...

**Fordman1** · 25-10-2018, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by spvd02

Might want to double check those figures. Bi turbo Edge weighs 1949kg, where the heaviest territory was not much over 2100kg. Not sure where you get the 500kg figure from...

Best to check our non Bi Turbo Endura specs I think.

prydey · 25-10-2018, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by spvd02

Might want to double check those figures. Bi turbo Edge weighs 1949kg, where the heaviest territory was not much over 2100kg. Not sure where you get the 500kg figure from...

See post #103 & #104

stefcio007 · 25-10-2018, 09:19 PM

Sure the CX-9 is petrol only? A few weeks ago there was a huge billboard on the M80 advertising the new diesel version, maybe not out yet?

spvd02 · 25-10-2018, 10:20 PM

Interesting that the bi-turbo version weighs 200kg more. Still only a 350kg difference, not quite 500kg, unless the diesel Terri weighs 2.25tonne...

prydey · 25-10-2018, 10:35 PM

my point was, it weighs less, and 300kg is still a considerable weight advantage. I find my territory moves along quite adequately for a large car, so the Endura should be an improvement on that given the gearing should also be shorter.

Vormund · 26-10-2018, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by stefcio007

Sure the CX-9 is petrol only? A few weeks ago there was a huge billboard on the M80 advertising the new diesel version, maybe not out yet?

CX-9 is turbo petrol only.

CX-8 is a lengthened CX-5 (B pillar onwards) and is diesel only.

The reason there are 2 cars that do mostly the same thing is that the CX-9 was developed with the US in mind and the CX-8 is for Japan due to taxation on certain size vehicles and engine size.

And Australia gets to have both models.

happy1 · 25-08-2019, 10:05 PM

Hi,

I was searching some details about the EcoBlue engine family, and found this article, which suggest that there is a version of the twin turbo engine with 175 kW,
(that is 25kW more than Raptor, and 35 kW more than the Australian Endura).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EcoBlue

Cheers,

stefcio007 · 25-08-2019, 10:25 PM

Has anyone see these on the road? I haven’t seen one yet apart from the one I spotted earlier on.

Vesper Martini · 26-08-2019, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by happy1

Hi,

I was searching some details about the EcoBlue engine family, and found this article, which suggest that there is a version of the twin turbo engine with 175 kW,
(that is 25kW more than Raptor, and 35 kW more than the Australian Endura).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EcoBlue

Cheers,

Thats in the UK spec edge (endura)

which incidentally is being pulled due to low sales
https://www.caradvice.com.au/764948/...ge-dropped-uk/

Dr Smith · 26-08-2019, 03:15 PM

It will be interesting to see when an all-new Edge is developed and if there is no UK market to sell into if Ford Australia can still say "... it has no impact on local models"

jpd80 · 26-08-2019, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

It will be interesting to see when an all-new Edge is developed and if there is no UK market to sell into if Ford Australia can still say "... it has no impact on local models"

The more I look at Ford, the more I see that they are really only interested in
selling +$50K vehicles, the rest are just fill and basically inconsequential as
Ford no longer competes on price, Ford no longer competes full stop.
(obvious to anyone visiting Ford dealerships)

Brazen · 26-08-2019, 09:39 PM

Just don’t see why SUVs have to be so expensive, great if you could pick up a petrol Endura for $35,990. Let it take over the price spot Falcons used to occupy especially as no one wants sedans anymore

au2000 · 26-08-2019, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

The more I look at Ford, the more I see that they are really only interested in
selling +$50K vehicles, the rest are just fill and basically inconsequential as
Ford no longer competes on price, Ford no longer competes full stop.
(obvious to anyone visiting Ford dealerships)

aint that their new mantra though? wanted to be more "High End"?

don't know if ford will ever be seen as a high end manufacturer and if that's really the best option long term though

jpd80 · 27-08-2019, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by au2000

aint that their new mantra though? wanted to be more "High End"?

don't know if ford will ever be seen as a high end manufacturer and if that's really the best option long term though

There's a difference between genuine high end products and products that are just over priced.

Ford is switching form bad vehicles that are over priced to better vehicles that are still overpriced.
If sales start to slowly climb we can see that as progress on perception change but if sales are static,
we can take that as the market remaining unconvinced about the value of Ford products Vs the rest.

The Endura diesel priced at $49K was a mistake going somewhere to happen, no one will miss it
when the new Escape finally arrives with much lower price and better value for room offered.

Vesper Martini · 27-08-2019, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Just don’t see why SUVs have to be so expensive, great if you could pick up a petrol Endura for $35,990. Let it take over the price spot Falcons used to occupy especially as no one wants sedans anymore

You would need to lower the Endura's spec to that of the $35K Falcon

so..

an LDV D90 seems the only large SUV in that price range.

You get what you pay for.

prydey · 27-08-2019, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

You would need to lower the Endura's spec to that of the $35K Falcon

so..

an LDV D90 seems the only large SUV in that price range.

You get what you pay for.

Come on now. Can't we have everything for nothing?

Brazen · 27-08-2019, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

You would need to lower the Endura's spec to that of the $35K Falcon

so..

an LDV D90 seems the only large SUV in that price range.

You get what you pay for.

Probably no more expensive to build than a Mondeo or Camry and probably cheaper than a RWD 6 cylinder Falcon.

But if the customers will pay that much, can’t blame ford

prydey · 27-08-2019, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

But if the customers will pay that much, can’t blame ford

This.

vztrt · 27-08-2019, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Probably no more expensive to build than a Mondeo or Camry and probably cheaper than a RWD 6 cylinder Falcon.

But if the customers will pay that much, can’t blame ford

Who is paying what Ford is asking. Ranger is the only vehicle that is moving numbers.

prydey · 27-08-2019, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Who is paying what Ford is asking. Ranger is the only vehicle that is moving numbers.

Profit is more important than vfacts data...

I'm not suggesting they are happy with the volumes they are selling, but I've not seen any evidence of drastic price cuts to boost sales.

happy1 · 28-08-2019, 02:05 AM

I saw a metallic red Endura 'ST-line' today in Perth CBD. That's the first one I have noticed on the road. May have missed some previously.

Vesper Martini · 28-08-2019, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Probably no more expensive to build than a Mondeo or Camry and probably cheaper than a RWD 6 cylinder Falcon.

But if the customers will pay that much, can’t blame ford

I disagree, there is a lot more kit in the Endura than a Mondeo or Camry and certainly than a RWD 6 cylinder Falcon.

the Endura is not a jacked up Mondeo thier designs are worlds apart

FWIW I really like both, but neither are selling well

I see a lot of mercedes GLC 250s on the road. a smaller car and worth a lot more. Ford are tying to position themselves in between.

Perception is the issue. dealership reputations don't help

Big_Daz · 28-08-2019, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vormund

CX-9 is turbo petrol only.

CX-8 is a lengthened CX-5 (B pillar onwards) and is diesel only.

The reason there are 2 cars that do mostly the same thing is that the CX-9 was developed with the US in mind and the CX-8 is for Japan due to taxation on certain size vehicles and engine size.

And Australia gets to have both models.

Further to Above, CX-9 is 5 seat only.. CX-8 is a 7 seater which is part of the reason Mazda sells it alongside the CX-9

Vesper Martini · 28-08-2019, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_Daz

Further to Above, CX-9 is 5 seat only.. CX-8 is a 7 seater which is part of the reason Mazda sells it alongside the CX-9

CX9 is a 7 seater. Cx5 is the 5 seater
Cx8 is basically a stretched CX5
and like the CX5 its narrow