Doctors and Very Old Drivers

[gutza]

Hi Guys.

I stayed off this thread as, after reading a number of posts, I started to feel a little guilty about starting it.

It was never my intention to cause any problems between members.

So, while some of the posts were interesting, and some amusing, I still apologise.

As Jeff Fenech said .... " I love youse all "

Cheers.

[lra]

I, as an older drive, don't have any problems with it, nor am I upset.

My father drove until he was about 95, not very competently.
His first elderly accident was when he was about my age now, he did a left hand turn from the right hand lane on a roundabout, and of course it was not his fault that the car on his left hit him. That was my fault somehow, as I was the one who apparently wrote the ‘stupid’ rules for roundabouts.
His next stuff-up was during a RMS driving test, he was told to proceed straight ahead at an intersection. He got into the right turn lane, and when he got the green right turn arrow, drove straight ahead against the red light. Somehow that was also my fault, because I had not explained marked lanes and lights to him. License suspended pending a re-test.
I went to his house a couple of days later just as he was getting out of his car which he had driven to the shops. After a somewhat heated discussion, he agreed that he was driving unlicensed, and uninsured, but what was his alternative ? Too much of a problem to ask me to take him to the shops …….. he was OK to look after himself …….. been doing it all his life.
After I followed him home one day, he stopped at a green light to turn right, no cars coming, and when it turned red, he drove around the corner, again no other cars coming.
That was it, I told him to hand in his license, big argument, and when his next test came up, he did not renew it. My fault also, as I was being unreasonable.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by lra

I, as an older drive, don't have any problems with it, nor am I upset.

My father drove until he was about 95, not very competently.
His first elderly accident was when he was about my age now, he did a left hand turn from the right hand lane on a roundabout, and of course it was not his fault that the car on his left hit him. That was my fault somehow, as I was the one who apparently wrote the ‘stupid’ rules for roundabouts.
His next stuff-up was during a RMS driving test, he was told to proceed straight ahead at an intersection. He got into the right turn lane, and when he got the green right turn arrow, drove straight ahead against the red light. Somehow that was also my fault, because I had not explained marked lanes and lights to him. License suspended pending a re-test.
I went to his house a couple of days later just as he was getting out of his car which he had driven to the shops. After a somewhat heated discussion, he agreed that he was driving unlicensed, and uninsured, but what was his alternative ? Too much of a problem to ask me to take him to the shops …….. he was OK to look after himself …….. been doing it all his life.
After I followed him home one day, he stopped at a green light to turn right, no cars coming, and when it turned red, he drove around the corner, again no other cars coming.
That was it, I told him to hand in his license, big argument, and when his next test came up, he did not renew it. My fault also, as I was being unreasonable.

Usually how it goes when child tries to tell parent something regardless of age

[zilo]

Originally Posted by gutza

Hi Guys.

I stayed off this thread as, after reading a number of posts, I started to feel a little guilty about starting it.
It was never my intention to cause any problems between members.
So, while some of the posts were interesting, and some amusing, I still apologise.

Cheers.

well...ya don't see posts like this very often.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by gutza

Hi Guys.

I stayed off this thread as, after reading a number of posts, I started to feel a little guilty about starting it.

It was never my intention to cause any problems between members.

So, while some of the posts were interesting, and some amusing, I still apologise.

As Jeff Fenech said .... " I love youse all "

Cheers.

Yep it's all your fault!

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

You guys give way to others at roundabouts?

Same with traffic lights:

Green - go
Yellow - go faster
Red - look, then go

I understand what MercuryT is getting at, some geriatric turned right from the left lane of the roundabout when they shouldn't have.

I wasn't aware TAS had hook turn roundabouts

Thank you Mr Cozzo.

But yes this thread is enlightening and appears no road rules exist so yeah who cares about stopping for a red light.....

[MercuryT]

Some of our elders remind me of Weekend at Bernies. Fantastic movie.

Bernie about as capable at a roundabout.....

https://youtu.be/WvITkVaOpUs

[Cav]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Thank you Mr Cozzo.

But yes this thread is enlightening and appears no road rules exist so yeah who cares about stopping for a red light.....

I think you'll find that the rules say to stop on amber.

[LG17]

I hope this bloke isn't 80yo!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x34gMahO9mE

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by Cav

I think you'll find that the rules say to stop on amber.

Stop on amber? Doesnt that just mean speed up?

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by zilo

That is simply a variation of the rule that the driver crossing a dotted line must give way....a dotted line is a "Give Way" sign.

Remember though...just cause a vehicle is in the right lane and if you are entering the left lane he still has the right of way in both lanes...because he is already in the roundabout....and you are not.

BUT...entering a roundabout also crosses a Give Way line, therefore the give way to vehicles already on the roundabout takes precedence.


That...is the law, perhaps imperfect but a law, whether one agrees with it or not.

Are you talking about two cars entering the roundabout from the same direction?
That's what I thought this whole debacle was about.

If two vehicles enter from two separate lanes coming from the same direction, there will be no conflicting movements. Neither will have to give way.
Unless one wants to change lanes, then they must give way no matter who entered first or who is on the left or right.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Are you talking about two cars entering the roundabout from the same direction?
That's what I thought this whole debacle was about.

No I am not.
One is already in the roundabout in the right lane, the other is not in yet but entering from the left lane.
My point is that regardless of what lane is occupied by the vehicle already in the roundabout it has absolute right of way in both lanes with respect to the vehicle entering which has to give way unequivocally to all vehicles already in the roundabout who can change lines in the roundabout as much as they please.

Originally Posted by Ben73

If two vehicles enter from two separate lanes coming from the same direction, there will be no conflicting movements. Neither will have to give way..

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Ben73

Unless one wants to change lanes, then they must give way no matter who entered first or who is on the left or right.

You had me until that bold bit, which I say is probbly incorrect....but i don't know whether the context you are applying is to both entering at same time from same direction or another scenario?

[MercuryT]

Quite correct Ben73.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by zilo

You had me until that bold bit, which I say is incorrect.

The left lane is never "in" the roundabout as the lanes clearly show two options. Left or straight. NOT right.

The right lane equally has only two options. Right or straight. NOT left.

No giving way exists as one car is enterering the roundabout the other is bypassing it.

This make me dizzy!

[zilo]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

The left lane is never "in" the roundabout as the lanes clearly show two options. Left or straight. NOT right.

The right lane equally has only two options. Right or straight. NOT left.

No giving way exists as one car is enterring the roundabout the other is bypassing it.

This make me dizzy!

We all agree....I think?

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by zilo

We all agree....I think?

Yep.

Then no.

Then yep.