Covid 19 -

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by cs123

We also have confirmation that the whole coronavirus is a hoax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE

Selective grab of video. It's an attempt to paint a certain picture but it fails as usual.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/de...-hoax-comment/

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Selective grab of video. It's an attempt to paint a certain picture but it fails as usual.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/de...-hoax-comment/

Can't you discern when someone is extracting the urine?

[Cav]

Originally Posted by russellw

Can't you discern when someone is extracting the urine?

Does that mean he is a sucker?

[russellw]

We had something of a spike in new cases yesterday with 58 and 2 more deaths which is bringing our crude mortality rate (CMR) very close to 1% (0.996%).

The USA continues to add about 30k new cases a day and >2k deaths and their CMR is now above 5% (5.234%).

It's no better in the UK with the number of new cases per day increasing daily and the CMR at 13.41%.

New Zealand only had 8 new cases but also two deaths so their CMR sits at 0.781%.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Romulus

The government has no business knowing where I go or what I do.

Do you drive a car or use plastic to pay for anything?

Unless you pay cash, ride a pushbike and avoid all security cameras in stores and on the streets they can see where you went and what you bought and when if they really wanted to.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Do you drive a car or use plastic to pay for anything?

Unless you pay cash, ride a pushbike and avoid all security cameras in stores and on the streets they can see where you went and what you bought and when if they really wanted to.

How much for cash?

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by russellw

We had something of a spike in new cases yesterday with 58 and 2 more deaths which is bringing our crude mortality rate (CMR) very close to 1% (0.996%).

The USA continues to add about 30k new cases a day and >2k deaths and their CMR is now above 5% (5.234%).

It's no better in the UK with the number of new cases per day increasing daily and the CMR at 13.41%.

New Zealand only had 8 new cases but also two deaths so their CMR sits at 0.781%.

While the number of cases continues to increase, the share market is ignoring the numbers. ASX up 1.31% at closing, DJI up 2.99% at closing. Market it factoring a reopening sooner than later.

US is going to open the country up, Australia is on it's 28 day countdown to re evaluate it's trade and social restrictions. Many countries in Europe relaxing it's restrictions and people are going back to work. Governments realise the economy needs to open up to generate revenue.

When we're over the WuFlu people should continue to wash their hands and not touch their face.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Romulus

When we're over the WuFlu people should continue to wash their hands and not touch their face.

Or their keyboards methinks!

[russellw]

I've expanded the data set from yesterday to include some other countries that are doing OK in terms of either their case or mortality rates per 100K of population.

It's starting to show some interesting trend data in as much as some of the warmer regions are doing better at the moment with countries like Colombia (9.1) and Brazil (20.3) having case rates per 100k below both Australia and NZ and even their mortality rate per 100k isn't much worse than ours at 0.4 and 1.2 respectively although their CMR is a fair bit worse (4.4% & 6.3%), perhaps pointing to the availability / quality of health care as a factor. It also doesn't necessarily follow that colder climes are doing worse because while some are faring poorly (like the UK), some (like Russia) are faring really well so it seems logical that the measures that are being put in place have more impact than environmental factors on the infection rates.

Other points of note:

Belgium has the worst CMR with 14.287% of identified cases resulting in death. The UK is next worst at 13.41% with Italy not far behind at 13.19%.

Spain has the highest case rate per 100k of population with 494.4 but Italy isn't far behind with 467.3. This is probably also a factor in the CMR because the number of critical care beds per 100k of population at 8.5 (Spain) and 8.6 (Italy), while similar to ours (Australia 8.9), is likely to be below the number of patients requiring that care. While on that subject, the USA has about 25 per 100k as long as you can afford it while the UK has about 3.4.

It is no surprise then that Italy (61.4), Belgium (55.7) and Spain (51.8) have the highest number of deaths per 100k of population.

[Bossxr8]

So the chinese have provided new death numbers overnight, and surprise, surprise, they are 3 times higher than what they admitted before. From roughly 1200 deaths to over 3800.

Probably still a fraction of the real numbers. Slimy bastards.

Their excuse? Confusion.

No not a cover up at all

[Cav]

By posting actual data Russellw is ruining the tone of this thread.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

So the chinese have provided new death numbers overnight, and surprise, surprise, they are 3 times higher than what they admitted before. From roughly 1200 deaths to over 3800.

Probably still a fraction of the real numbers. Slimy bastards.

Their excuse? Confusion.

No not a cover up at all

Add three zeroes to the end of the new figure and that's probably somewhere closer to the real figures

Originally Posted by Cav

By posting actual data Russellw is ruining the tone of this thread.

I put a somewhat more serious tone on my last big post and it seems I only get good results from the crowd if I cobble up some story by throwing in Nazis, Jews, Joseph Goebbels and call people authoritarian power hungry monkeys

Tough crowd.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

So the chinese have provided new death numbers overnight, and surprise, surprise

POTUS on the phone ''you know all that money we owe you''

[superyob]

Some worthy considerations from Bubba J...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG3erL7m_ZI

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Cav

By posting actual data Russellw is ruining the tone of this thread.

Breaking news on MSM, on the basis of people presenting raw data without emotional side story and propaganda we would like to draw your attention and wanted panic to the sky is currently falling.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by russellw

I've expanded the data set from yesterday to include some other countries that are doing OK in terms of either their case or mortality rates per 100K of population.

It's starting to show some interesting trend data in as much as some of the warmer regions are doing better at the moment with countries like Colombia (9.1) and Brazil (20.3) having case rates per 100k below both Australia and NZ and even their mortality rate per 100k isn't much worse than ours at 0.4 and 1.2 respectively although their CMR is a fair bit worse (4.4% & 6.3%), perhaps pointing to the availability / quality of health care as a factor. It also doesn't necessarily follow that colder climes are doing worse because while some are faring poorly (like the UK), some (like Russia) are faring really well so it seems logical that the measures that are being put in place have more impact than environmental factors on the infection rates.

Other points of note:

Belgium has the worst CMR with 14.287% of identified cases resulting in death. The UK is next worst at 13.41% with Italy not far behind at 13.19%.

Spain has the highest case rate per 100k of population with 494.4 but Italy isn't far behind with 467.3. This is probably also a factor in the CMR because the number of critical care beds per 100k of population at 8.5 (Spain) and 8.6 (Italy), while similar to ours (Australia 8.9), is likely to be below the number of patients requiring that care. While on that subject, the USA has about 25 per 100k as long as you can afford it while the UK has about 3.4.

It is no surprise then that Italy (61.4), Belgium (55.7) and Spain (51.8) have the highest number of deaths per 100k of population.

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What about Costa Rica?

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Probably still a fraction of the real numbers. Slimy bastards.

You know those hospitals that China built in Wuhan city in a matter of days, well the real numbers are probably hidden under those sites. Was it hospitals they were building, or was it mass burial sites?

Four days after its opening, the larger Leishenshan hospital had only 90 patients, on wards designed for 1,600, but was reporting no spare beds, Wuhan city health data, first reported by the Chinese magazine Caixin, showed. The other facility, Huoshenshan, had not yet filled its 1,000 beds a week after opening.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...cretive-system

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Do you drive a car or use plastic to pay for anything?

Unless you pay cash, ride a pushbike and avoid all security cameras in stores and on the streets they can see where you went and what you bought and when if they really wanted to.

Why do they wants us to download an app then if they can already track everything?

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

So the chinese have provided new death numbers overnight, and surprise, surprise, they are 3 times higher than what they admitted before. From roughly 1200 deaths to over 3800.

Probably still a fraction of the real numbers. Slimy bastards.

Their excuse? Confusion.

No not a cover up at all

We've known for a while the Chinese numbers are BS. There is no way on earth despite whatever failings of the US government that China has as low numbers they are reporting.

They are over 3x bigger in population and ground zero for this pandemic.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Why do they wants us to download an app then if they can already track everything?

They can't do it without cause under the current system unless you're on the police ****list - ie Adrian Bailey and tracking him through Citylink tolls and the phone tracking of Jill Meagher's husband when he was a suspect.

Things like this:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/v...20-p53m0e.html

and Australian police using Clearview AI:

https://theconversation.com/australi...ability-132667

Personally I'm against the idea of the COVID-19 tracking apps, if it became mandatory I'd leave my phone(s) at home or just get rid of both of them.

I accidentally smashed my phone at the start of 2015, I decided not to replace it, the only way to contact me was through AFF or knock on my door

I ended up replacing it with two when I started my own business but now I'm working for the man, I don't 'need' phones anymore.

[Franco Cozzo]

Something else worth being aware of is China's social credit system:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-...rship/10200278

This is a great piece from the ABC

[five 7]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Why do they wants us to download an app then if they can already track everything?

Probably the bluetooth side of it, when your phone is near another they will swap data, a bit like Tile trackers.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

What about Costa Rica?

649 cases and 4 deaths so a CMR below Australia and NZ of 0.62%.

The death rate per 100k adults is a third of ours at 0.106 and the cases per 100k is about half of ours at 17.229.

[Charliewool]

Thanks for that Russ... We do have the antidote though!
Imperial cerveza!!.... Pura Vida

[Franco Cozzo]

Are the Government actually on top of this or are they riding on our (relatively) low population density and claiming this as a win?

[Franco Cozzo]

There's this truck driver picking up steam on Twitter at the moment with his rants at the camera around everything

https://twitter.com/theoztrucker/sta...42796811177985

He's fairly entertaining, this one is about Sam Newman and his golf sook that happened yesterday here in VIC.

There's talk about bailing out Virgin as well, its 90% foreign owned, I think that Virgin can GAGF and it should be allowed to collapse, or alternatively if business wants bailouts from Australian taxpayers then it should come as a sale of their business to 51% ownership to our Government.

https://twitter.com/theoztrucker/sta...76283725922306

Our truck driving friend has a good opinion on this too.

[Romulus]

Are there data sets of flu and pneumonia deaths available?

Edit..found data from CDC. Look at weeks 10 through to 15, a drastic reduction in flu cases. Must be coincidental the Covid-19 cases are going the other direction.

https://ibb.co/m5CXHch

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

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There's talk about bailing out Virgin as well, its 90% foreign owned, I think that Virgin can GAGF and it should be allowed to collapse,

Me Too, The 3 Biggest shareholders are, Singapore Airlines, The Chinese Govt owned HNA.& Richard Branson. If They're not prepared put their own Money up. Why should the Aussie taxpayer??

As for Sam Newman..??

https://theshovel.com.au/2020/04/17/...om-sam-newman/

[Tassie f100]

[QUOTE=hayseed;6428432]Me Too, The 3 Biggest shareholders are, Singapore Airlines, The Chinese Govt owned HNA.& Richard Branson. If They're not prepared put their own Money up. Why should the Aussie taxpayer??

I guess it puts us bit of a quandry because the one thing we certainly do not need is a qantas monopoly.Airfares away from the main inter capital cities are expensive now,imagine what could happen with a monopoly.$300 Melb Syd. $1200 Perth Melb etc Maybe $2500 Melb Darwin.Launceston Melb $300 who knows.

[Romulus]

Qantas won't operate under a monopoly. The rules have changed since the early 2000's for airline companies. Another player will step up to the mark and fill it's place.

I agree neither airline should receive any government subsidies.