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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Hi all.
Still on the L's and doing some work on my 04' XR. http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...=1#post3010316 However, when the rule book states that a P platers car can not be any more than 200 Kilowatts, does that refer to Flywheel kws? or RWkws.. Because if it's RW.. it opens up a whole bunch of stuff I can do.. Cheers guys. |
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Police would have to know his to be able to have a really good guess that the engine is producing more then 200kW at the wheels. Don't missbehave and you should be fine. Though insurance would be another issue as well.
I am a P plater and going to be wanting around 160-180 rwkW. Just don't be a dick and you should be right. |
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Long live the Falcon GT
Join Date: Feb 2008
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last time i checked.... police cars don't have dyno's hooked up...
Maybe they're using that iPhone dyno applet?? *(previous thread)* I thought the rule was 125kw per tonne... which made most cars available ? But to be fair - its been a long time since I was a P Plater...
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I also thought that you could not have any performance enhancing modifications.
This also includes simple things like air cleaners and exhausts etc. So really, it doesnt matter how many KW's you have, any mods are your getting done anyway - then your insurer has a reason to void you as well. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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In Victoria it's 125kw per tonne.
Cheers, Anthony
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Yep in Vic it is 125 killer wasps per Tonne..
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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Sure is 125kw per tonne. I was just allowed to drive my dads EB GT cant beleive he used to let me....
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then a nonturbo focus would be extremely close to 125kw per tonne wouldn't it?
if not over that?
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A focus CL has 107Kw@1268Kg
=(107/1268)*1000 =84.4Kw/T An XR5T has 166Kw@1437Kg =(166/1437)*1000 =115.5Kw/T Still within 125Kw limit, however, being that the XR is turbo'd, I don't know if its legal. Vic is alot different to NSW with these laws.
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Illegal, no turbo or supercharged vehicles allowed :(
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Which is silly because now there are a whole bunch of turbo diesel cars that are not allowed by default.
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You can drive them. |
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Why bother taking the time to read th rules? They're a bunch of bureaucratic doggy doo and uneducated fanny waffle. The only thing, and I mean, th only thing that matters, is power to weight ratio. I will concede though that the regulation of forced induction is fair enough, as it rules out anyone fiddling with the boost controller and changing power output on the fly.
But banning cars by number of cylinders on the grossly uneducated and simplistic mind that it means anything at all is just ridiculous. But you can never correct bureaucrats. They're always right. |
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It is not 125kw/tonne in victoria. Taken direct from vicroads
OLD DEFENITION of probationary prohibited vehicle (prior to 1 July 2007) A vehicle which has; a power to mass ratio which exceeds 125 kW per tonne; or an engine capacity which exceeds 3.5 litres per tonne of the unladen mass (tare) of the motor vehicle New definition of probationary prohibited vehicle (from 1 July 2007) A vehicle that; has an engine with eight cylinders or more, or has an engine that is turbocharged or supercharged (other than a diesel powered vehicles listed in Table 1 below). There are also some lower powered turbocharged or supercharged vehicles which have been exempted and can be operated by a probationary driver who has been given an exemption by VicRoads. Refer to lower performance turbocharged or supercharged vehicles and exemptions. has an engine that has been modified to increase the vehicle's performance (other than a modification made by the manufacturer in the course of the manufacture of the vehicle , or a nominated high performance six cylinder engine. Refer to Table 2 below. http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...edvehicles.htm
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As a side note, what's the point of the restriction of 3.5 litres per tonne displacement? Are there even any road registerable vehicles in existance that exceed that limit and don't violate the 125kw per tonne & forced induction being outlawed??
That one's just bizarre. Last edited by Kamshaaft; 14-01-2010 at 06:00 PM. |
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Must be under 125kw per tonne. Only 4 & 6 cylinders (excluding some 6's) Can't be turbo or supercharged. (excluding some turbo diesel) Correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers, Anthony
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Didn't Volkswagen apply for an exemption on its 2.0L Turbos?
Bit of a hint, if your on the old system (Not the new, no mods one..) they won't know or be able to "Guess" what a car is making, keep it simple with CAI, Exhaust & Tune and you won't have any dramas. |
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I'm fairly sure my FG is illegal, with all its mods, being on my p plates and all in Victoria, been pulled over before (boozebus), cops have never said anything.
I think the 200kw and 125kw per tonne is a stupid rule, a VE SIDI 210kw would be illegal, but my FG stock is faster, but completly legal... Further, the 175kw/400nm xr8 would be illegal, but the fg 195kw/400nm (premium fuel) is not illegal lol. |
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You CAN get an exemption for a turbo car as long as its one of those 1.4L TSI Volkswagens or between 100-125Kw/tonne, 4 door non sports orientated family car but its done on a case by case example. I was asking about getting an exemption to drive a Toyota Aristo but they said they wanted me to fill out all the forms, so that pretty much meant I had to buy the car before I could check if I could be allowed to drive it. So, no we can't drive Ford F350s because they have V8s and its seen as a "high powered vehicle" but the FG Falcon is fine. |
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Because they are the rules - as a road user, you should know them. Regardless of what you think is right or wrong, the rules are the rules. They are there and you have to abide by them - no ifs or buts. If you dont like it, then walk. |
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Time for a new pair of shoes.
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The rules have been made - no one stood up and did anything about it at the time, so there no point complaining about it now. Break the rules all you want, dont come here and whinge when you get a fine, get your car impounded, crash your car, not have your insurance paid out, lose your license or kill someone. I could care less. Last edited by Falcon Coupe; 14-01-2010 at 08:51 PM. Reason: quoting deleted post. |
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I would have liked a system for example, you have little restrictions, but if you get caught speeding/hooning/breaking rules you get harsh fines and get bumped down to full restrictions and have to sell your powerful car by law. I am fully accountable for my own actions and I know that, you won't see me coming to the forums crying if I got fines for anything. I know my place in society, hence why I didn't register to vote, my opinion doesn't matter in the big scheme of things so why bother? Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 14-01-2010 at 08:51 PM. |
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Browsing here and there..
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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I'm on red P plates, drive a BA XR6 with Quad exhaust tips and have a nice note to my car and was recently pulled over after a police car pulled out casually behind me.
They thought my car was a Turbo and didn't even mention the exhaust. |
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![]() Also, to the threadstarter, you'd have to do some pretty heavy work to get a BA N/A 6 near 200rwkw. |
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What you could do is just save up the cash and buy a powerful car the day you suddenly have had your Ps for 4 years and turn into a mature, fully licensed driver. Or do up a car over the 4 years on P plates. Or instead of using your money on illegal car modifications, spend it on illicit drugs and alcohol, thats the next best thing and you'll get treated the same by the media anyways. |
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So all V8s are banned, regardless of power:weight ratio?
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* - can apply for exemptions on turbo cars. |
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I hope this is all on-topic enough, if not I wil get technical if that helps.
If you want me to break it all down, provide sources, studies, and suchforth, just ask. I've got all night (well, until I go out, but that's much later) - and I've put dozens of hours into the subject. So try me, just try me, what are you waiting for? Come on.. Quote:
Is it too much for some to allow others to express unfair legislation that effects the freedom of many (admittedly, does not directly effect myself), without any scientific basis or limited & debated at best? Legislation that was rashly, and sometimes irresponsibly, introduced not to cut road tolls but to put graphite marks in the right boxes at the polls? Or is it a moral thing, is there some sort of moral precedent I am not understanding, that means I should not object to a situation where (for the most part) inexperienced and boisterous drivers often cannot drive their vehicle of choice, while at the same time the legislation preventing them from doing so features otherwise largely irresponsible inconsistencies? Whilst you digest, I shall digress: Perhaps in order to avoid uneccessarily offending someone and cultivating hostility, one should refrain from using the term 'you' when addressing an issue or statement in a condescending manner, or else you are merely creating a shallowly valued confrontation. 'You' is targeted. Depersonalise it by using 'one'. I'm not here to make friends (though there is a great community on this forum) but I'd be riding over uncomfortabley rough teritory on a higher horse (and a hypocrite) to mention that it's poor form, so instead of acting like that buck-toothed holier-than-thou fish faced witch from Ladette to Lady, I would just beg one to think of the teachings of elected/chosen deity. I do them understand the road rules, very well and in several states as it happens. It would be rather arrogant for me to make a statement about them without knowing them all, wouldn't you think? Know thy enemy. I like to keep up to date with this pet subject. As for serving up an ultimatum, here's one for you: Mind your manners, or get snotted. Hakuna Matata. ![]() Last edited by Kamshaaft; 14-01-2010 at 09:29 PM. |
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