Future of Barra Engine??

[csv8]

Why dont Ford put the Barra into the Everest and Ranger ?? Surely, thats a logical move??? Then, buyers have the choice of a diesel or petrol engine.
Keeps some people employed ?

[Trump]

Geelong engine plant is shutting down completely. No other plant has the tooling to keep production of the 4.0L engine going.

Not only that, it won't fit in the engine bay of either car; it is too long and too tall, plus the engineering to have it Euro 5/6 compliant hasn't been done, nor will it.

[FPV GTHO]

Theyve got other large petrol engines to choose from that they havent fitted, why would an orphan engine make things suddenly different?

[CyberWasp]

The biggest crime on the closing of the Australian Motor will be the loss of this engine.
There is so much more that this engine had to give, given further development, esp in Turbo form.
There is still many opportunities for a large RWD car in China, The Middle East and USA especially as fuel prices have softened.

[simon varley]

pretty obvious really - barra can't meet euro 5 emissions

[Mr Brooksy]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

The biggest crime on the closing of the Australian Motor will be the loss of this engine.
There is so much more that this engine had to give, given further development, esp in Turbo form.
There is still many opportunities for a large RWD car in China, The Middle East and USA especially as fuel prices have softened.

Yes there are big opportunities for large RWD sedans in China, but the biggest issue for the BARRA at least, is that for every engine size class increase the rego and insurance cost increases dramatically. That's why the most popular Buick Park Avenue (read Holden Statesman) is the little 2.8L V6. Similar situation with the Chrysler 300C that has a tiny 2.7L.

As much as I want the motor to continue, the CC of the Barra rules itself out of a huge majority of the market in China.

They also have the Euro ratings as per the rest of the world, so they would need to spend big on the Barra...

[Ford_The_Win]

I am going to miss that familiar low hum down the track. Much with Friday nights in the city, just not the same without the taxi trip home and the Falcon four speed automatic transmissions howling up through first gear

[Qwerty321]

Originally Posted by Ford_The_Win

I am going to miss that familiar low hum down the track. Much with Friday nights in the city, just not the same without the taxi trip home and the Falcon four speed automatic transmissions howling up through first gear

Well I've always bought second hand car that are atleast a decade old and keep them they get written off by something breaking. So for me the Barra will really be leaving sometime after 2030

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by Mr Brooksy

Yes there are big opportunities for large RWD sedans in China, but the biggest issue for the BARRA at least, is that for every engine size class increase the rego and insurance cost increases dramatically. That's why the most popular Buick Park Avenue (read Holden Statesman) is the little 2.8L V6. Similar situation with the Chrysler 300C that has a tiny 2.7L.

As much as I want the motor to continue, the CC of the Barra rules itself out of a huge majority of the market in China.

They also have the Euro ratings as per the rest of the world, so they would need to spend big on the Barra...

The new Taurus that is so far exclusive to China is also only available with 2.0 and 2.7 EcoBoost engines, so appears to have that in mind.

[b0son]

It was an awesome engine a generation ago.... go drive an Ecoboost and tell me its at all relevant today.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by b0son

It was an awesome engine a generation ago.... go drive an Ecoboost and tell me its at all relevant today.

The Barra 6 is a brilliant engine, had Ford invested in changing the block from iron to alloy back when it was feasible, it may have survived to be used in non-Falcon applications.

There is a reason BMW have not only persisted with an I6 design, but refined and improved it to the nth degree.

[Raptor]

RIP Barra 2002 - 2016

It has no future










.

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

The Barra 6 is a brilliant engine, had Ford invested in changing the block from iron to alloy back when it was feasible, it may have survived to be used in non-Falcon applications.

There is a reason BMW have not only persisted with an I6 design, but refined and improved it to the nth degree.

I think BMW hasn't made a I6 larger than 3.2L though, they've kept their engines pretty close to 500cc/L.

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by Raptor

RIP Barra 2002 - 2016

It has no future










.

Don't be so negative, as great a motor as they are, in 10 years when you pick one up for $50, take the head off, clean it out, slap a pane of glass on top and you have a killer coffee table

[Qwerty321]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

Don't be so negative, as great a motor as they are, in 10 years when you pick one up for $50, take the head off, clean it out, slap a pane of glass on top and you have a killer coffee table

Yoooooo. I know what I'll be using as a table in the man cave now

[Vesper Martini]

Its been a great engine for the last 14 years. so should be remembered fondly.
but there's a list of reasons why it should be consigned to history.

- emissions wont meet Euro 5
- fuel economy (whilst not bad for its size its still a 4.0L)
- does not adapt to transverse (one ford)
- Geelong's closure will not relocate all the tooling etc
- The Barra is physically huge - somebody post a picture to show
- current range of Ecoboost V6 engines have it covered

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

...
- The Barra is physically huge - somebody post a picture to show
...

Barra I6 vs Windsor V8 (and the Barra still needs manifolds both sides)

[Qwerty321]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Barra I6 vs Windsor V8 (and the Barra still needs manifolds both sides)
image

The Barra is actually mindbogglingly large. It quite literally looks like someone at ford decided that putting truck engines in cars would be the breakthrough of the century

[Olbucko]

Not many people are aware that a detuned barra was imported to the states as an industrial engine

[PHANTMXR6]

Anything with double overhead cams is large.
Be interesting to see a Barra next to a Boss or Coyote engine as well.

[BFGasUte]

Hello,

Sad to see the end of a great motor, it will live on as there are many around. As a low cost big strong engine, it would be a good transplant for commercial vehicles and 4 x's.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Olbucko

Not many people are aware that a detuned barra was imported to the states as an industrial engine

Did they sell any in the US? Even if the motor continued to be built on in Mexico or Argentina and lived life on in a Fordson tractor, tugboat , generator , school bus or something, I would still be satisfied.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by b0son

It was an awesome engine a generation ago.... go drive an Ecoboost and tell me its at all relevant today.

Sad but true, with the various Ecoboost engines coming out Ford have engines of 2/3 the capacity with upto 30% more power, greater space efficiency and designed to meet future emission regs. Smaller, turbocharged engines are the immediate future. For eg the Ford Edge Sport uses a 2.7V6 Ecoboost with 235kw @4750rpm and 475Nm@2275rpm.

....Now the FGX XR6 Sprint engine is a different story and worthy of it own Trophy cabinet.

[AussieCJ7]

Originally Posted by simon varley

pretty obvious really - barra can't meet euro 5 emissions

Nor can even some who claim they do volkamitissu ??

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

The Barra 6 is a brilliant engine, had Ford invested in changing the block from iron to alloy back when it was feasible, it may have survived to be used in non-Falcon applications.

There is a reason BMW have not only persisted with an I6 design, but refined and improved it to the nth degree.

Sadly though to get an I6 BMW these days means buying the flagship of each model in the range.

All the models that were once powered by an assortment of I6's (2.2/2.5/2.8/3.0/3.2/3.6) are now turbo 4's.

Same as Ford replacing large V6, and in the US particularly, V8 engines with small EcoBoost fours and 6's.

[roddy1960]

G'day..This is very much "our engine " ..Regardless of whether the much newer Ecoboost or other engines develop more power or even more torque ..the real strength of the Barra is it's immense reliability , proven time and time again..the ability to upgrade or enhance the turbo variant especially to V8 busting performance...and the almost lazy delivery of it's power at a really usable rpm..You don't need to rev the ring out of it to get a great drive.that's why this engine will be remembered very fondly indeed..I hope to enjoy mine for years to come...Let's not forget it's predecessor either..The SOHC 4.0's reputation for amazing reliability and pretty decent performance for it's time is known by many hundreds of thousands..I'm one of them..Cheers Rod...

[foxtrot3]

Originally Posted by Olbucko

Not many people are aware that a detuned barra was imported to the states as an industrial engine

Hi. No sign of it in any of the ford power products web sites any more, Fords way of saying its dead. Cheers MD

[CyberWasp]

My argument is, yes Ford has developed advanced EcoBoost Technology with Euro 6 compliance ect ect ect.
It is amazingly efficient and powerful and I take nothing away from it.
Here comes the but,
Buuuuttttt.
Why isn't all the EcoBoost Technology they have, applied to the I6 Motor?
The hard work has been done and the research dollars spent in developing the V6 engines.
You would be just applying that knowledge to a different block which is going to give you amazing results.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

My argument is, yes Ford has developed advanced EcoBoost Technology with Euro 6 compliance ect ect ect.
It is amazingly efficient and powerful and I take nothing away from it.
Here comes the but,
Buuuuttttt.
Why isn't all the EcoBoost Technology they have, applied to the I6 Motor?
The hard work has been done and the research dollars spent in developing the V6 engines.
You would be just applying that knowledge to a different block which is going to give you amazing results.

I thought about that too, but I think youll find the whole idea behind ecoboost - is economy and emission's. the barra would be too hard to adapt
ecoboost is based around small capacity engines where the turbo is designed for low rev response.
for instance they put a 2.0 ecoboost in the Falcon to simulate the 4L n/a barra. even the mustang only gets a 4 pot.

Its time for Australia to embrace ecoboost, its the best thing Ford have got going for themselves.

I hate to say this but ford should have gone with the 2.7 ecoboost for falcon & territory and dropped the barra for the last models

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...st-capable.pdf

I would have purchased that over the diesel I have

[data_mine]

coyote vs. windsor


4.6 modular (5.4 is taller AND wider again) vs windsor


the windsor is kinda tiny.